Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

pregnancy usually leads to the birth of a new individual, which is typically not harmful to the mother under normal conditions.

eeh, even with modern medicine issues while giving birth are too common to say its not harmful under normal conditions.

 

[Logiko]

its simply not at all comparable

It's not comparable for you because you don't have to live the situation.

It's perfectly comparable for women who have to live with it.

The action is exactly what it is. A parasitizing. A overtaking of ressources from the body without consent.

 

[NikaInParis]

I'm only repeating the words of actual feminist women mate (and A LOT of them). Don't assume things and listen to women for once especially those who have to face abortion.



This for example. Is not true in the case of all unwanted pregnancy since the simple fact of being unwanted can influence both the life of the mother AND the life of the potential baby.


I don't know where the F you found this information but to say that the birth of a new individual is not harmfull to the mother is complete nonsense and I propose that you tell any women who gave birth that giving birth is not harmfull to see their reaction.


Yes. Hostile. Which is exactly how a LOT of women will see an unwanted foetus they can't abort.

It's only controversial for men who can't accept the choices of women. For those who have to live with a growing potential baby inside of their womb, it's a very real thing.


Yes. That's what I said. It's not a parasite, it only ACTS like a parasite and is SEEN like one by the mother when it is unwanted (and only in this case)


Indeed. it's not a parasite it ACTS like a parasite.

Again. You guyz need to understand the difference between an action VS a function/nature/classification.

Also.

Listen to women

By your own definition of it, you yourself would be considered a parasite to society.
As you are now.
An adult.
Living off of government hand outs.
Parasiting society around you without consent.

 

[AL sama]

eeh, even with modern medicine issues while giving birth are too common to say its not harmful under normal conditions.

yeah I found that point weird too

 

[Zenos7]

Yes. That's what I said. It's not a parasite, it only ACTS like a parasite and is SEEN like one by the mother when it is unwanted (and only in this case)

it cannot act like a parasite since its the same species.

seriously, learn what words mean

 

[Logiko]

By your own definition of it, you yourself would be considered a parasite to society.

No. Since this is something done willingly by the state.

The important word here is "without consent".

it cannot act like a parasite since its the same species.

It's not about the specie, it's about the action of taking ressources without consent.

The nature of the foetus is not a parasite. The action on the other hand is parasitizing.

 

[AL sama]

seriously, learn what words mean

nah you're asking way too much

 

[Logiko]

seriously, learn what words mean

Learn the reality of the world mate. Words have context.

 

[NikaInParis]

No. Since this is something done willingly by the state.

The important word here is "without consent".



It's not about the specie, it's about the action of taking ressources without consent.

The nature of the foetus is not a parasite. The action on the other hand is parasitizing.

You are taking resources (government money) without consent (tax payers that fund that money)

Parasite by your very own definition

 

[Logiko]

without consent (tax payers that fund that money)

Actually most tax payer agree to help people like me.

And it's just the normal human thing to do. You would need to be someone quite inhuman to refuse to help people in situation of handicap through social aids.

Are you telling me that it's your case ?

 

[NikaInParis]

Actually most tax payer agree to help people like me.

And it's just the normal human thing to do. You would need to be someone quite inhuman to refuse to help people in situation of handicap through social aids.

Are you telling me that it's your case ?

No, I help those in need directly and indirectly
Thing is you're not handicapped - just lazy

 

[Logiko]

No, I help those in need directly and indirectly
Thing is you're not handicapped - just lazy

Well, I guess you will have to tell that to the council of psychiatrist and psychologist who analysed my situation. You seem to have much more knowledge that them.

 

[Mathias]

No, I help those in need directly and indirectly
Thing is you're not handicapped - just lazy

Are you his psychiatrist ?

 

[Haoshoku]

Calling a fetus a parasite is WILD. People really do be saying anything to in a sad attempt to morally justify killing babies. Crazy times. Abortion is mostly pursued due to the consequence of copious amounts of casual sex, licentiousness and degeneracy.

The stats are pretty clear on that:

Spoiler

 

[Roo]

Calling a fetus a parasite is WILD. People really do be saying anything to in a sad attempt to morally justify killing babies. Crazy times. Abortion is mostly pursued due to the consequence of copious amounts of casual sex, licentiousness and degeneracy.

The stats are pretty clear on that:

Spoiler

The whole point of the abortion argument is that people disagree that an early fetus is a person. You can't just state that it is and expect pro choice people to accept your premise

 

[AL sama]

You are taking resources (government money) without consent (tax payers that fund that money)

Parasite by your very own definition

chill bro

 

[Logiko]

Calling a fetus a parasite is WILD.

Again. Make the difference between me calling the ACTION and the NATURE.

I'm not calling the foetus a parasite (even if i'm sure some women who live those situation would) I'm calling the ACTION "parasitizing". Nuance.

People really do be saying anything to in a sad attempt to morally justify killing babies.

A foetus is not a baby. It's a foetus. It doesn't feel and it doesn't think.

You could say that it's a POTENTIAL baby.

But you don't override the choices and body of women (and men who transitionned) who wants to abort on a potentiality when you are a good person

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Thing is you're not handicapped - just lazy

Oh BTW.

I'm taking the occasion of you sayin this to extend the conversation I had with I don't remember who about Meritocracy.

Ableism takes it's root in capitalism AND meritocracy.

As you can see here, Nika thinks that because I don't do anything, I'm therefore "lazy". This is a common ableist projection created by meritocracy. And illutrates what I explained here:

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When someone tells me that I'm not legitimate to have a political opinions simply because I'm not a productive member of society (in the capitalist sence) and because of my situation laugh at me or insult me, well.. they are forcing ableism ON me IN capitalism BECAUSE OF a meritocratic belief that only people who are "productive members" of society are legitimate and worthy to be rewarded, because they put their "efforts" in.

Since I do not have a visible handicap that aligns with the preconception of Nika for handicaped people, I'm therefore not handicaped and since I'm not productive.... It does not matter for them that the process that validated my handicap took 10 month or that a lot of professionnal took the time to analyse my situation. For them I'm "lazy"

Capitalism reenforce the oppression on people like me or others who do not align with the "good" vision of handicaped people.
And it works for poor people, minorities and people in difficulty as well.

This is what meritocracy does.

 

[Roo]

Again. Make the difference between me calling the ACTION and the NATURE.

I'm not calling the foetus a parasite (even if i'm sure some women who live those situation would) I'm calling the ACTION "parasitizing". Nuance.



A foetus is not a baby. It's a foetus. It doesn't feel and it doesn't think.

You could say that it's a POTENTIAL baby.

But you don't override the choices and body of women (and men who transitionned) who wants to abort on a potentiality when you are a good person

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Oh BTW.

I'm taking the occasion of you sayin this to extend the conversation I had with I don't remember who about Meritocracy.

Ableism takes it's root in capitalism AND meritocracy.

As you can see here, Nika thinks that because I don't do anything, I'm therefore "lazy". This is a common ableist projection created by meritocracy. And illutrates what I explained here:

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Since I do not have a visible handicap that aligns with the preconception of Nika for handicaped people, I'm therefore not handicaped and since I'm not productive.... It does not matter for them that the process that validated my handicap took 10 month or that a lot of professionnal took the time to analyse my situation. For them I'm "lazy"

Capitalism reenforce the oppression on people like me or others who do not align with the "good" vision of handicaped people.
And it works for poor people, minorities and people in difficulty as well.

This is what meritocracy does.

aren't newborn babies parasitic by definition tho

 

[Logiko]

aren't newborn babies parasitic by definition tho

Whe there is consent for this birth, I would say no. Plus we are out of the body to body relationship. It's more about material ressources in that case.

 

[Haoshoku]

The whole point of the abortion argument is that people disagree that an early fetus is a person. You can't just state that it is and expect pro choice people to accept your premise

Technically not a fully developed baby but you can miss me with all of that, after two months they basically are babies. Only reason why they do disagree is to facilitate the justification for it.

A foetus is not a baby. It's a foetus. It doesn't feel and it doesn't think.

You could say that it's a POTENTIAL baby.

But you don't override the choices and body of women (and men who transitionned) who wants to abort on a potentiality when you are a good person

I’m not an embryologist but fetuses feel pain at like 7 weeks if I’m not mistaken. If that is remotely the case your whole argument is pretty much moot.

You don’t need to virtue signal. I have no power over their choices, just the ability to call it out for what it is.

aren't newborn babies parasitic by definition tho

I don’t see why not. If he’s going to be consistent.

Whe there is consent for this birth, I would say no. Plus we are out of the body to body relationship. It's more about material ressources in that case.

So a material leech, still a parasite? This is why the West is cooked.