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Let's look at this article here.
From here as well
This quote here too. It hits harder than the other two ones.
Somehow, I find it hard to believe that this guy is an actual Republican and not just a Republican-In-Name-Only, especially when everyone I've spoken to on that side is dead set against it. They believe the Biden Administration would have continued to pump money into fueling the war, which has caused the price of goods to keep rising.
It just seems like news outlets are attempting to further demoralize Republicans and Trump supporters by pretending that Trump was almost assassinated by one of their own.
Just another day in the office for the media news journalists.
From here as well
This quote here too. It hits harder than the other two ones.
Somehow, I find it hard to believe that this guy is an actual Republican and not just a Republican-In-Name-Only, especially when everyone I've spoken to on that side is dead set against it. They believe the Biden Administration would have continued to pump money into fueling the war, which has caused the price of goods to keep rising.
It just seems like news outlets are attempting to further demoralize Republicans and Trump supporters by pretending that Trump was almost assassinated by one of their own.
Just another day in the office for the media news journalists.
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No. I use it in the meaning of the word : As a knowledge or rather the observation that all people have political vectors.
This is a neologism based on a real observation : People radicalize all the time through pressure and experience
For example my vector since 2020 ishg has been aimed toward the far left and hardcore materialistic belief systems. This is something that I know even if I'm not a far leftist but only a radical one, this means that if I keep amassing experiences without big contradictory knowledge for my current ones, I will become a far leftist at the end of the day. But it wasn't always the case, a decade ago, my vector was aimed toward the far right.
I think that depending on people, the vector will vary and the force applied toward radicalism also. For example, I could say that Biden's vector is aimed toward the left but with a very weak strenght. On the other hand, Harris's vector toward the left is a LITTLE bit stronger (but not enough).. this can be said because
Trump, for example, has a big vector toward far right ideas. Meaning that if he doesn't meet contradictory knowledge or experience, he will dive deeper and deeper into the alt-right.
Progressism and conservatism are what I would call those vector. Depending on a situation you can be a communist and be a complete conservative. Depending on the direction, you will be more likely to adopt more conservative (toward the right) or more progressist (toward the left) ideas.
Authoritarism and dictatorship will happen when we allow someone who has a conservative vector and an immense force to rule on side or the other.
No one is neutral in politic. Meaning that everyone evolves constantly.
So the good question is : What is your vector and what is it's strenght ?
And from this question, discussions can become very interesting.
Fun fact. I never change definitions. But I tend to create new ones to extend the lack of previous ones (or the ones that I simply do not know about : For ex. My concept of political vector could be something that is already existing, but I simply don't know the name)
For the most part, I use what you can find in any encyclopedia or scientific papers or activist database.
But yeah. I tend to be cautious of dictionnaries. For me, they are not viable sources of information in a world where language evolves and where language can become a battle for legitimacy.
Do not be afraid of people who give you a new definition for non scientific language. It's usually a sign that you are seeing a new perspective. Be cautious, we never know, but take it seriously.
This is a neologism based on a real observation : People radicalize all the time through pressure and experience
For example my vector since 2020 ishg has been aimed toward the far left and hardcore materialistic belief systems. This is something that I know even if I'm not a far leftist but only a radical one, this means that if I keep amassing experiences without big contradictory knowledge for my current ones, I will become a far leftist at the end of the day. But it wasn't always the case, a decade ago, my vector was aimed toward the far right.
I think that depending on people, the vector will vary and the force applied toward radicalism also. For example, I could say that Biden's vector is aimed toward the left but with a very weak strenght. On the other hand, Harris's vector toward the left is a LITTLE bit stronger (but not enough).. this can be said because
Trump, for example, has a big vector toward far right ideas. Meaning that if he doesn't meet contradictory knowledge or experience, he will dive deeper and deeper into the alt-right.
Progressism and conservatism are what I would call those vector. Depending on a situation you can be a communist and be a complete conservative. Depending on the direction, you will be more likely to adopt more conservative (toward the right) or more progressist (toward the left) ideas.
Authoritarism and dictatorship will happen when we allow someone who has a conservative vector and an immense force to rule on side or the other.
No one is neutral in politic. Meaning that everyone evolves constantly.
So the good question is : What is your vector and what is it's strenght ?
And from this question, discussions can become very interesting.
Fun fact. I never change definitions. But I tend to create new ones to extend the lack of previous ones (or the ones that I simply do not know about : For ex. My concept of political vector could be something that is already existing, but I simply don't know the name)
For the most part, I use what you can find in any encyclopedia or scientific papers or activist database.
But yeah. I tend to be cautious of dictionnaries. For me, they are not viable sources of information in a world where language evolves and where language can become a battle for legitimacy.
Do not be afraid of people who give you a new definition for non scientific language. It's usually a sign that you are seeing a new perspective. Be cautious, we never know, but take it seriously.
Not even there.
If Democrates were really leftist, they would be:
- Pushing a LOT more for free Health Care
- Pushing a LOT more for a redistribution of ressource
- Pushing a LOT more for more social and anti-capitalist measure
- Pushing a LOT more for gun controls (Harris is a gun owner)
- Pushing a LOT more for LGBTQI+ Rights and not simple surface level politics
- Pushing a LOT more to END police violences
- Pushing a LOT more to end systemic racism
- Pushing TO THE END for the END of the genocide happening in Gaza, even cutting their relationship with Netanyahou if necessary
Etc.
Dems are not leftist, they just have the leftist surface layer. Dems are officially liberals and libs are rightists by nature even when they are progressist.
If Democrates were really leftist, they would be:
- Pushing a LOT more for free Health Care
- Pushing a LOT more for a redistribution of ressource
- Pushing a LOT more for more social and anti-capitalist measure
- Pushing a LOT more for gun controls (Harris is a gun owner)
- Pushing a LOT more for LGBTQI+ Rights and not simple surface level politics
- Pushing a LOT more to END police violences
- Pushing a LOT more to end systemic racism
- Pushing TO THE END for the END of the genocide happening in Gaza, even cutting their relationship with Netanyahou if necessary
Etc.
Dems are not leftist, they just have the leftist surface layer. Dems are officially liberals and libs are rightists by nature even when they are progressist.
Anyone defending Trump or supporting him at this point is either a racist or a self-hating coon
You can't be this hateful and ignorant to support someone who brings up migrants in any topic as source of problems to fix by making up lies and so
He has crossed the line multiple of times
There's no saving grace for this old man no more
I'm not surprised, America is filled with hateful and ignorant people.
People who lack basic knowledge about history and the world. They believe whatever media and movies tell them
You can't be this hateful and ignorant to support someone who brings up migrants in any topic as source of problems to fix by making up lies and so
He has crossed the line multiple of times
There's no saving grace for this old man no more
I'm not surprised, America is filled with hateful and ignorant people.
People who lack basic knowledge about history and the world. They believe whatever media and movies tell them
Lol. No.
At best they will tell you that we need to fight racism and give the right to trans people to transition safely... you know.. THE BASICS.
But pushing all of that would mean:
- Defund and completely restructure the Police.
- Create propaganda and MASSIVE political push for gun control
- Create A restructuration of social services and social
- Stop immediately all the exportations to Israel
- Pushing a for a REAL restructuration of healthcare and social services (medicare for all is not enough: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7438128/ and BTW, Harris is moving away from that : https://www.politico.com/news/2024/...l-harris-progressives-2024-elections-00174447)
- Create real structural and institutionnal change to help LGBTQI+ and minorities in every domain
Etc..
There is so much to do that dems are not pushing or just with the tip of a stick.
And here, I'm talking about liberals who are actually progressive. You have the conservatist pendant : The neo-liberals (Macron)
At best they will tell you that we need to fight racism and give the right to trans people to transition safely... you know.. THE BASICS.
But pushing all of that would mean:
- Defund and completely restructure the Police.
- Create propaganda and MASSIVE political push for gun control
- Create A restructuration of social services and social
- Stop immediately all the exportations to Israel
- Pushing a for a REAL restructuration of healthcare and social services (medicare for all is not enough: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7438128/ and BTW, Harris is moving away from that : https://www.politico.com/news/2024/...l-harris-progressives-2024-elections-00174447)
- Create real structural and institutionnal change to help LGBTQI+ and minorities in every domain
Etc..
There is so much to do that dems are not pushing or just with the tip of a stick.
And here, I'm talking about liberals who are actually progressive. You have the conservatist pendant : The neo-liberals (Macron)
Let me get this straight, your think medicare for all is part of their platform????
Talk about being uninformed (or disingenuous)
Harris backed out of it years ago, Biden never pretended to be for it, and medicare for all has never been part of the official democratic platform. And no, Bernie is still an independent so he doesn't count.
Talk about being uninformed (or disingenuous)
Harris backed out of it years ago, Biden never pretended to be for it, and medicare for all has never been part of the official democratic platform. And no, Bernie is still an independent so he doesn't count.
What does it mean actually ? 
Restructure : Meaning completely rethink the way the Police is trained and operate especially on the question of the gestion of stress and systemic racism or ableism. Again : Instead of shooting a sick person or a black man in the back because they feel stressed.. maybe they should learn how to deal with their emotion... or simply learn to do everything not to end up in those situations.
Quite simple in fact. (and the fun thing is that it applies to the French Police as well hehe)
No, you’re being disingenuous and pretending that a bunch of power hungry politicians (a measly 16 representatives in contrast to 200+ democratic representatives who disavowed it from the get go) who cosponsored a dead bill 5 years ago and literally all of them have backtracked ever since, are actually the bulk of the party and they somehow represent the overarching democratic policy pursuits.
Medicare for all as a bill was created by Bernie. It’s never been officially voted on and any president would veto it if it ever managed to get through the senate. If you don’t like democrats that’s fine, I don’t like them either, but stop misconstruing the facts just so you can push your narrative.
Do you understand what you’re saying rn? I hate Trump just as much as anyone but this ain’t it bro. It’s fucked up.
Medicare for all as a bill was created by Bernie. It’s never been officially voted on and any president would veto it if it ever managed to get through the senate. If you don’t like democrats that’s fine, I don’t like them either, but stop misconstruing the facts just so you can push your narrative.
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Do you understand what you’re saying rn? I hate Trump just as much as anyone but this ain’t it bro. It’s fucked up.
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I'm quite new to sociology so not on the top of my mind. My reasonning is based on various studies and not specifically the work of a few researchers.
However...
I found this database of researches on the subject:
https://sociology.princeton.edu/key-research-race-violence
And I found a few names : (thanks Chat GPT):
In the US:
- Alex Vitale : Criticizes the militarization of the police and advocates for in-depth police reform in the United States, including solutions such as decarceration and reducing the role of law enforcement in certain missions.
- Jeffrey Fagan : Known for his work on stop-and-frisk that is used against minorities
- Rod K. Brunson : Worked on community policing solutions
- Elizabeth Hinton : Worked on the rise of police violences against black people because of the change in social and law politics
In France:
- Sébastian Roché : Worked on the comparison of police systems on the international and the legitimaty of the Police in France in realtionship to the marginalized populations. (He asked for a big reform of the police to end systémique violences in 2023)
- Mathieu Rigouste : An independant sociologist who experienced the violences head on
- Fabien Jobart : A CNRS Director and sociologist researcher who worked on the problem of police violences
There are also the videos I shared about police violences in the leftist library :
From "Neuro-Transmition" & "LastWeekTonight" (In this last one, John Oliver makes a big check up on the subject, the state of the studies and the solutions) :
- [VIDEO] - Police should not respond to mental health calls
- [VIDEO] - We need to reform the police (and not only in the US) - Last Week with John Oliver
However...
I found this database of researches on the subject:
https://sociology.princeton.edu/key-research-race-violence
And I found a few names : (thanks Chat GPT):
In the US:
- Alex Vitale : Criticizes the militarization of the police and advocates for in-depth police reform in the United States, including solutions such as decarceration and reducing the role of law enforcement in certain missions.
- Jeffrey Fagan : Known for his work on stop-and-frisk that is used against minorities
- Rod K. Brunson : Worked on community policing solutions
- Elizabeth Hinton : Worked on the rise of police violences against black people because of the change in social and law politics
In France:
- Sébastian Roché : Worked on the comparison of police systems on the international and the legitimaty of the Police in France in realtionship to the marginalized populations. (He asked for a big reform of the police to end systémique violences in 2023)
- Mathieu Rigouste : An independant sociologist who experienced the violences head on
- Fabien Jobart : A CNRS Director and sociologist researcher who worked on the problem of police violences
There are also the videos I shared about police violences in the leftist library :
From "Neuro-Transmition" & "LastWeekTonight" (In this last one, John Oliver makes a big check up on the subject, the state of the studies and the solutions) :
- [VIDEO] - Police should not respond to mental health calls
- [VIDEO] - We need to reform the police (and not only in the US) - Last Week with John Oliver
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