Future Events Shiryu or Nasujuro

#1
For those who have read my other threads they know that I do not subscribe to 3 or more arc fights left for the SHPs in the story. Things like Luffy fighting Akainu and BB and Shanks and Imu dont make sense to me at this point in the story, even earlier the power level progression made it very difficult to envision such progression. And apart from Luffys expected matchups we only have Zoros possible matchups to predict how the story might progress. Actually it much easier basing it on Zoros then on Luffys since Luffy has much more options, including the four mentioned above. Imu screaming and sweating from JB haki pretty much confirms that Luffy will fight him (Imu aint no just figurehead, he has some sort of mythical zoan like the Gorosei).

Now coming to the point, Zoro has 3 matchups that seem very likely now. Shiryu because of BB being destined to fight Luffy, then we have Mihawk with the promised duel and now we also have Nasujuro with the Kitetsu connection. However this still leaves three arc fights which seems difficult to be compressed in the final saga.

So going on BBPs aim for the world and Devon getting Saturns copy there is a chance of BBs going for MJ. And I was thinking what if BB is the final villain, how would Oda build hype for them. BB himself has the third DF thing but what about Shiryu, that Garp stab is not enough to build him as a worthy opponent.

How would BBPs raiding MJ feel like and taking down a few Gorosei or something. What if Shiryu manages to get the Kitetsu from Nasujuro, would that not build him up as a worthy Zoro opponent. I know he has Raiu his named blade but what if he gets the Kitetsu 1.

Very few are hyped for the Zoro vs Shiryu matchup and so far the best theory to make it exciting is that Shiryu becomes nothingness due to DF awakening and then Zoro becomes the only one to be able to cut nothing and achieve black blade. But this reads like a Pica fight which nobody wants as a battle so near the end. Will Shiryu defeating Nasujuro and getting Kitetsu 1 give him enough hype and satisfy the fandom? If one of these fights is to be sacrificed then which should it be?
 
#5
Oda simply didn't sell me the Janitor.

Because BB pirates are obviously being kept from showing anything as it is with Oda writing to absolutely holding back characters untill their time.

If BB defeat IMU then I can hype Shiryuu, but the Invisible man single hype is being a Zoro fight.

Ghandi has, immortality, zoan-like, Ice cut, Kitetsu.
 

TheKnightOfTheSea

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#7
I like Shiryu a lot as a character. His design is sick, and i like the way he's portrayed as an underhanded, sneaky fighter. But that works against him as a final opponent for Zoro. Comparing him to a 200+ year old awakened mythical zoan, with a supreme blade, powerful demonic abilities like regeneration, and a CoC user with extremely powerful haki... yeah he comes up short. Not even going to bring up the WSS...

Nusjuro being that old, definitely having some sort of Wano connections, possibly being connected to Ryuma, and having a Kitetsu makes him way more interesting than Shiryu just being a very twisted "evil" version of Zoro.

Will Shiryu defeating Nasujuro and getting Kitetsu 1 give him enough hype and satisfy the fandom?
it would depend how it's handled. I would prefer if Shiryu keeps his sword, but it could be cool if Shiryu actually damages him. But if it's something like Teach disables the immortality against Imu and Nusjuro just dies, that would suck imo.
If one of these fights is to be sacrificed then which should it be?
I'd sacrifice the Shiryu fight personally. Just feel like Mihawk and Nusjuro could be more interesting. Unless Mihawk would get fed to either of them, which I would not like.

that Garp stab is not enough to build him as a worthy opponent.
I think Shiryu getting awakening and overwhelmingly defeating Beckmen who should be above King would be enough to hype him as a worthy opponent for Zoro. Or, Shiryu could just be a CoO training tool. I don't like that idea, but it's possible. King was very powerful and stacked and not every YC1 is going to be above him in raw combat ability. It may not establish Shiryu as an admiral level opponent but definitely in the top tier range.
 
#8
I like Shiryu a lot as a character. His design is sick, and i like the way he's portrayed as an underhanded, sneaky fighter. But that works against him as a final opponent for Zoro. Comparing him to a 200+ year old awakened mythical zoan, with a supreme blade, powerful demonic abilities like regeneration, and a CoC user with extremely powerful haki... yeah he comes up short. Not even going to bring up the WSS...

Nusjuro being that old, definitely having some sort of Wano connections, possibly being connected to Ryuma, and having a Kitetsu makes him way more interesting than Shiryu just being a very twisted "evil" version of Zoro.



it would depend how it's handled. I would prefer if Shiryu keeps his sword, but it could be cool if Shiryu actually damages him. But if it's something like Teach disables the immortality against Imu and Nusjuro just dies, that would suck imo.


I'd sacrifice the Shiryu fight personally. Just feel like Mihawk and Nusjuro could be more interesting. Unless Mihawk would get fed to either of them, which I would not like.


I think Shiryu getting awakening and overwhelmingly defeating Beckmen who should be above King would be enough to hype him as a worthy opponent for Zoro. Or, Shiryu could just be a CoO training tool. I don't like that idea, but it's possible. King was very powerful and stacked and not every YC1 is going to be above him in raw combat ability. It may not establish Shiryu as an admiral level opponent but definitely in the top tier range.
so shityu even after surpassing bckman will be under some oneshotable or twerkable admiral ????? this admiral agenda need to stop, really shiryu is already above kuzan and if he gets a powerup he ll get in some other level man
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#9
While I dont think BB is a final villain, it is better to treat him as such to predict the story better than having Imu as FV.
Look at the big 3 from East Blue - Mihawk, Shanks, Dragon. What do they represent in the world?

Mihawk is a man who achieved an individual dream. Shanks is a man who achieved a crew dream while Dragon wants to achieve a world dream. Mihawk achieved the peak of individual strength, Shanks gathered the strongest crew that MC wants to surpass while Dragon is trying to liberate the world. Most people think the story will progress from Mihawk towards Dragon, from individual towards the world.

However, I think the order is reversed.
Luffy will help Dragon liberate the world and achieve this worldwide dream.
Then he will achieve his dream related to surpassing Shanks' crew, whether by beating RHPs or those who take out RHPs - BBPs and then we will arrive at the individual dreams which is where Luffy's secret dream comes in, during the same time when Zoro achieves his own.

Now, regarding your thread and the question of who are Zoro's guaranteed opponents...
Your concern is valid that there shouldn't be even 3 or more big fights for Zoro but we don't know how long Oda actually plans to stretch this. He could give Zoro 4 big fights if he intends to do OP for 30 years...

Mihawk and Shiryu are guaranteed fights. Venus isn't.
Zoro wants to make Luffy into a Pirate King. Fighting Imu and his executives is not really relevant in PK race even if it comes before it.
Zoro may never participate in WG war, just like he didn't participate in Marineford war. There are too many allies in that war that need focus so Oda might remove the SH crew from it entirely and not much would really change. Except for Luffy, of course.

When it comes to hyping Shiryu, I think he will be treated the same as King was.
An absolute nobody until he faces Zoro. Then, he will show off abilities that will blow people's minds, just like King did.


Regarding obtaining Kitetsu and using it, while I don't think it would happen as I believe it serves no purpose due to Raiu being Supreme grade as well, it could serve a purpose - to make Shiryu into a significant character with a Nittoryu style as there arent any around.
We only know of Shiki and Oden as dual wielding swordsmen but their relevance in the present is a complete 0.

That would make Shiryu unique and even allow him to feed 2 Devil Fruits to weapons instead of just 1.
That would make him parallel Blackbeard who would also have 3 Devil Fruits. And this is quite possible as Zoro's and Luffy's opponents are always sharing something in common.

Hody and Hyozou - the only 2 Awakened Fishmen.
Monet and Gastino - the only 2 logias of the PH.
Pica and Doffy - both terraforming Dressrosa.
King and Kaido - toughest in the world.

You could also look at Zoro's fights as what they represent as challenges:
Monet - winning by not cutting but using fear.
Pica - winning by cutting huge obstacle.
King - winning by cutting a tough obstacle.
Shiryu - winning by cutting nothing.
Mihawk - winning by cutting everything, including the strongest haki.

Now, we could also throw in a challenge of winning against regeneration.
Another thing, Blackbeard is after the 3 type of DFs theme, I don't know if Shiryu can parallel that.
He already ate a paramecia, can feed only Zoans to swords so logia is something he cannot obtain.
Unless! Kizaru dies and sword of the gathering heavens is an awakened sword and it remains and Shiryu takes that one instead of Kitetsu!
All 3 types on Shiryu as well! :steef:
 

TheKnightOfTheSea

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#10
so shityu even after surpassing bckman will be under some oneshotable or twerkable admiral ????? this admiral agenda need to stop, really shiryu is already above kuzan and if he gets a powerup he ll get in some other level man
no guarantee Shiryu fights or surpasses Benn, but beating him wouldn't put him above an admiral

Shiryu has nothing to be above Kuzan outside of this:
 
#12
I hope that Oda won't " nerf " Nusjuro's ability as a swordsman in face of his " endless " regeneration. I'd hate to see him carried throughout the fight with Zoro by pure regenerative factor. Instead, I'd prefer if he's a good deal stronger than Zoro in swordsmanship and physical abilities.
 
#13
Two arcs.
Take it or leave it.

By two arcs I mean two Major arcs!.

- Luffy vs BB and Luffy vs WG is set in stones.
- Means Zoro vs Shiryu , Zoro vs Nasujuro is also set in stones.

For Mihawk i have been saying it since past 2 years. Zoro vs Mihawk doesn't fit right in middle of arc unless mihawk actually turns out to be antagnist against SHP.

It's gonna be epilogue , one piece started with this fight hype will end with it.
SHP vs CG has no buisness again.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#17
I hope that Oda won't " nerf " Nusjuro's ability as a swordsman in face of his " endless " regeneration. I'd hate to see him carried throughout the fight with Zoro by pure regenerative factor. Instead, I'd prefer if he's a good deal stronger than Zoro in swordsmanship and physical abilities.
You know as soon as someone has broken regeneration ability, it is there to be used and heavily relied upon.
It is the same as saying - I hope Kaido wont rely on his dragon scales.
Stronger than Zoro in swordsmanship, as in a sword style? Forget it. From the moment Demon God is a thing, superior style doesn't exist.

When it comes to physical abilities, it could be doable, just like King was superior and still is in physical stats, because Zoro has to take damage somehow so overpowering him and throwing him into walls/rocks/ground is a proven formula.
However, aCoC should heavily counter that, at least up to some degree. We saw that he already sent him flying with just a fraction of his power.

SHP vs CG has no buisness again.
SH vs CG is very, very important confrontation.
It is a fight between Wealth, Fame and Power from Strawhats vs Wealth, Fame and Power from Cross Guild.
It is basically a confrontation where Zoro gets to accomplish his dream. Other triggers are just bonus fights to achieve 2:1 in Davy Back...
Also, I don't think Zoro vs Venus is set in stone. Only Mihawk and Shiryu are.
 
#18
SH vs CG is very, very important confrontation.
It is a fight between Wealth, Fame and Power from Strawhats vs Wealth, Fame and Power from Cross Guild.
It is basically a confrontation where Zoro gets to accomplish his dream. Other triggers are just bonus fights to achieve 2:1 in Davy Back...
Also, I don't think Zoro vs Venus is set in stone. Only Mihawk and Shiryu are.
Though I understand your perspective.

But power is domain here which requires a proper 1v1 with a specific individual.
Fame can achieved in many other ways , same goes for wealth.
But power title should be un conflicted , if they are the strongest they beat someone who was strongest before him or fought so much that there's no one beside him right now.
But beside them , makes them conflicted and Doubt is always generated there , "What if".

But same doesn't go for wealth or fame.

Zoro Kitetsu plotline will hi-jack everyone sooner or later. Each of zoro sword will get a light, currently we only saw the enma.

Wado - Symbolize Harmony , It will only be done after Zoro achieves the Balance of Gentle blade and strong blade.

Kitetsu will symbolize something as well too.
Enma symbolises Strength , Cuts more than neccesary.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#19
But power is domain here which requires a proper 1v1 with a specific individual.
It will happen exactly like that, it will just be integrated into Davy Back Fight as one of the 3 rounds.
Other two rounds are Fame and Wealth. There should be no doubt about Mihawk's power by the time Zoro vs Mihawk happens.
All others will look like ants compared to those two.
 
#20
It will happen exactly like that, it will just be integrated into Davy Back Fight as one of the 3 rounds.
Other two rounds are Fame and Wealth. There should be no doubt about Mihawk's power by the time Zoro vs Mihawk happens.
All others will look like ants compared to those two.
How does one prove their wealth through davy fight and why is that the only way around?
 
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