Controversial General Political Discussion

[Bisoromi Bear]

When are y'all going back to talking about politics or is this a preschool now?!

 

[Logiko]

When are y'all going back to talking about politics or is this a preschool now?!

I never stopped

 

[AL sama]

What insults ?

you think Christians can't be offended by your remarks??

 

[Logiko]

you think Christians can't be offended by your remarks??

What remarks ?

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

What insults ?

Your concept of insult is based on whether a person is part of a minority or not, so once again I see no value in a discussion.

 

[Logiko]

Your concept of insult is based on whether a person is part of a minority or not, so once again I see no value in a discussion.

What insults ?

Can you stop just saying random stuff and quote the things your are talking about ? I don't know what you mean here.

 

[AL sama]

What remarks ?

mainly your arguments

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

What insults ?

Can you stop just saying random stuff and quote the things your are talking about ? I don't know what you mean here.

Why would I quote stuff and start a discussion with you if I explained that I see no value in it?

 

[Logiko]

mainly your arguments

Suure .. and those arguments.. aaare ?

Why would I quote stuff and start a discussion with you it I explained that I see no value in it?

You are sayin that I insulted you. I'm saying "prove it" and now you are saying "why would I quote stuff ?"

Do you take me for a fool ?

 

[AL sama]

Suure .. and those arguments.. aaare ?

don't have time to quote your nonsense otherwise I would

even I did you won't realize anything

so take my advise stop replying to someone if they tell you to

that's how an adult should act

 

[Logiko]

don't have time to quote your nonsense otherwise I would

even I did you won't realize anything

so take my advise stop replying to someone if they tell you to

that's how an adult should act

You don't have anything, you yourself know that I'm not insulting or even advocating to insult anyone. But you repeat the lie because it's convenient.

The guy can ignore me if he wants. No one is forcing him to anything. But I won't ignore when someone tells a lies about me.



All I see here are people who are triggered by me telling them that minorities should be protected when they are oppressed.

Really, I wouldn't be proud if I were you.

 

[AL sama]

You don't have anything, you yourself know that I'm not insulting or even advocating to insult anyone. But you repeat the lie because it's convenient.

The guy can ignore me if he wants. No one is forcing him to anything. But I won't ignore when someone tells a lies about me.



All I see here are people who are triggered by me telling them that minorities should be protected when they are oppressed.

Really, I wouldn't be proud if I were you.

saw this coming from miles away

btw we aren't the dame lol

 

[Logiko]

saw this coming from miles away

btw we aren't the dame lol

Wuat ?

 

[Okamakama]

Why would I quote stuff and start a discussion with you if I explained that I see no value in it?

Leave it at this point, my brother in Christ.

 

[Logiko]

Leave it at this point, my brother in Christ.

It's ok to give up.

 

[Okamakama]

It's ok to give up.

It is okay to give up, indeed. I believe I am tired enough of this conversation.

 

[Roo]

You are starting to understand the impact of patriarchy. Congrats

like @Uncle Van said, your ideology is so bent up backwards you think women don't even know what they want lmao. It's somehow someone else brainwashing them

Indeed. And that is mainly due to critics and a bad historic of meh shows.

you put to much power on anti woke critics

Yeah. That's why I checked myself. To be sure if it was pertinent to comment. And it was. The movie seems to depicts a good representation of masculinity.

Good masculinity is when men obsesses over a woman to the point where even after she married someone else he builds a house for her LMAO

Or maybe, you are only looking at the moments that are not made for women and overlooking the moments that are.

I am not overlooking anything, you are the one dismissing things not me.

I thihnk you don't understand. Here is how we define a pro-fem:

The expression "profem", an abreviation of "pro-feminist", has become in activist circles a derogatory term designating a cisgender man who claims to be a feminist while bringing everything back to himself, adopting a condescending attitude and reminding us that "all men are not like that / men also suffer from stereotypes", while for some this term is a way of distinguishing the position of those concerned from their allies, while showing their convictions communities.

Then you are the one who doesn't understand what I posted and ironically, falling for the "women are wonderful" effect. Read the link, it has nothing to do with what you typed.

Which is logical. Patriarchy exist. by defaut, I will trust a woman much more than I trust a man about feminism. Simply because I know that we are systematically problematic on the subject. Me included.

Again, nothing to do with what I linked.

If you are refering to a hate of men by feminists as a whole. It's a myth. It was debunked a few month ago scientifically.

What? there are definitely radfems who hate men lmao

And I am not even talking about the feminist movement as a whole, I am saying there are some leftist who spew hatred towards men online. That is true

This is true lol and that's what makes those films/books so cringe.


Fluffy have you ever picked up a romance book aimed at women? Doesn't have to be one of the ultra famous ones that got turned into movies. My mom has a ton of there at home and they all follow this pattern for the most part.

Lmao Logiko is so fucking clueless when it comes to women I think he's just so far up his bubble. I read a couple of those books with my GF and let me tell you, the author makes sure you understand how well built the guy is and how tight his clothes hug his body

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Do you take me for a fool ?

I can't respond because it's against the rules.

 

[Logiko]

you think women don't even know what they want lmao.

Are we back on the lie train again ? You guy didn't had enough this morning ?
You are the only one here sayin that mate.

Women know what they want. It doesn't mean that women can't promote the standards favored by patriarchy. You might be surprised the day you discover that women can be sexist against women.

you put to much power on anti woke critics

It's 95% of the critics, I'm not the one putting weight on them, it's simply what they are.

Good masculinity is when men obsesses over a woman to the point where even after she married someone else he builds a house for her LMAO

Nah, the guy has only some good traits of positive masculinity you are right. The rest seems to be a shared very toxic relationship.

I am not overlooking anything, you are the one dismissing things not me

Welp.. you guys are the one who are hyperfocusing on the moments where men show their abs...

Then you are the one who doesn't understand what I posted and ironically, falling for the "women are wonderful" effect. Read the link, it has nothing to do with what you typed.

That's because you don't understand the context of pro fems. Pro fems often fall in the biases that women are all wonderfull at first. Believing in a fallacious version of feminism. But at the end this biased actually turned to serve their own interest.

They adopt a fallacious pro feminist version of the struggle, but they will tend to exclude themselve from the problem or individualize the problem.

I was like that at the beginning of feminist. I indeed thought that women were had better inherant qualities than men. But this was a fallacious way of seeing feminism and this only served my interest.

Since then, I learned how to include myself in the problem both individually and structurally.

Again, nothing to do with what I linked.

Yes it does. The negative vision of men on men is deeply linked to their experience of masculinity under patriarchy.

What? there are definitely radfems who hate men lmao

And I am not even talking about the feminist movement as a whole, I am saying there are some leftist who spew hatred towards men online. That is true

Again. it's a myth :

- [STUDY] - The myth of misandry of feminist debunked - Six studies explain that feminists DON'T hate men

(once against, all the answers are in The Leftist Library)

Lmao Logiko is so fucking clueless when it comes to women I think he's just so far up his bubble. I read a couple of those books with my GF and let me tell you, the author makes sure you understand how well built the guy is, and how tight his clothes hug his body

Again, do a poll. I'm opened to be proven wrong.

I can't respond because it's against the rules.

I thought you were ignoring me

 

[Roo]

Women know what they want. It doesn't mean that women can't promote the standards favored by patriarchy. You might be surprised the day you discover that women can be sexist against women.

They promote those standards because they like them as well...

Welp.. you guys are the one who are hyperfocusing on the moments where men show their abs...

I'm not hyperfocusing on it. I said women like it and you disagreed. If you go back to my original comment I even gave some validity to the female gaze argument, I just though the whole "women don't enjoy muscular men" is stupid and so contrary to what normal women like.

That's because you don't understand the context of pro fems. Pro fems often fall in the biases that women are all wonderfull at first. Believing in a fallacious version of feminism. But at the end this biased actually turned to serve their own interest.

They adopt a fallacious pro feminist version of the struggle, but they will tend to exclude themselve from the problem or individualize the problem.

I was like that at the beginning of feminist. I indeed thought that women were had better inherant qualities than men. But this was a fallacious way of seeing feminism and this only served my interest.


Since then, I learned how to include myself in the problem both individually and structurally.

Thanks for clarifying what you meant, but overall the effect is not limited to these "profem" men, it is a societal wide effect.

Again. it's a myth :

- [STUDY] - The myth of misandry of feminist debunked - Six studies explain that feminists DON'T hate men

(once against, all the answers are in The Leftist Library)

1. I did not say feminism as a whole so you keep trying to pigeon hole me.
2. Your own study agrees there's holes in the studies when it comes to radfems who are unabashedly anti men at times, to the point where they hate transwomen because "they are men"

Radical and cultural feminism were associated with reduced positivity toward men. There is pronounced ideological and demographic heterogeneity within the feminist movement. Further research is needed to determine which of the many varieties that can be identified are associated with different overall evaluations of men, and with what consequences for our model of feminists’ attitudes. For example, it is possible that cultural and radical feminism differentially predict the similarity and threat pathways in our model. We note, however, that the magnitude of the cultural and radical feminism effects (from β = −.18 to β = −.24; Study 4) suggests that women would need to be three to four standard deviations over the mean of radical or cultural feminism to overcome the overall, absolute positivity toward men that participants displayed. We also note that the nuance suggested by these findings is decidedly absent from the misandry myth itself, which is seldom couched in these conditional terms. Thus, these findings do not undermine the falsification of the misandry myth provided by the present studies.