Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

You want to do something while having no idea whatsoever how to do it. There is no healing psychopaths. There are upper class criminals too. Economical status does not define ones character. Upper class criminals usually avoid violence because they have better means of enriching themselves illegally, meanwhile the poor ones need to resort to robing, killing and trafficking guns/drugs.

Mate. Your idea is "more gun". Mine is a complete restructuration of the system and the material condition in which those people are put into. I think I have a much better idea how to proceed than you with your escalation of violence.

Your idea is more repression, more violence and less compassion. You have absolutely no clue about the real implication and systemic reasons behind those violence. You are like blind man trying to put out a fire with a machine gun.

You are talking about severe cases of psychopathy. It's 1 % of the population. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the problem of your country. The reason people seek violence in south America is not psychopathy, it's structural, economical and societal reasons. You are focusing on a strawman to avoid trying to find solutions and calm your thirst for violence.

There are upper class criminals too. Economical status does not define ones character.

Not just economical, societal and cultural too. There are 1000 reasons to become a criminal. And what we need to do is act on the system that allow those reasons to be instead of trying to fight each individual with blind firepower.

Upper class criminals usually avoid violence because they have better means of enriching themselves illegally, meanwhile the poor ones need to resort to robing, killing and trafficking guns/drugs.

And still you keep believing in capitalism. You see, I'm nort the one with contradictions.

 

[NAMELESS]

Mate. Your idea is "more gun". Mine is a complete restructuration of the system and the material condition in which those people are put into. I think I have a much better idea how to proceed than you with your escalation of violence.

Your idea is more repression, more violence and less compassion. You have absolutely no clue about the real implication and systemic reasons behind those violence. You are like blind man trying to put out a fire with a machine gun.

You are talking about severe cases of psychopathy. It's 1 % of the population. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the problem of your country. The reason people seek violence in south America is not psychopathy, it's structural, economical and societal reasons. You are focusing on a strawman to avoid trying to find solutions and calm your thirst for violence.



Not just economical, societal and cultural too. There are 1000 reasons to become a criminal. And what we need to do is act on the system that allow those reasons to be instead of trying to fight each individual with blind firepower.



And still you keep believing in capitalism. You see, I'm nort the one with contradictions.

Don't move the goal posts and learn proper reading comprehension. More guns so civilians can properly defend themselves. I never claimed guns were meant to end crime. Crime is fought by police and courts, not by random civies. Guns=self defense=life preservation=human right. What the fuck has capitalism got to do with anything i said? "ahh rich don't need to shoot people to get rich,lets ban the rich". This is JEALOUSY!

Post automatically merged: Oct 3, 2024

You are talking about severe cases of psychopathy. It's 1 % of the population. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the problem of your country.

That 1% of the population is responsible for most crime pretty much anywhere in the planet. 99.9% of people that live in favelas are normal,honest and hard working people. Its the 0.1% that wields rifles and chops people's limbs. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Logiko]

Don't move the goal posts and learn proper reading comprehension. More guns so civilians can properly defend themselves. I never claimed guns were meant to end crime. Crime is fought by police and courts, not by random civies. Guns=self defense=life preservation=human right.

I know this is counter intuitive, but it will only create more violence.

What the fuck has capitalism got to do with anything i said?

Everything.

 

[NAMELESS]

I know this is counter intuitive, but it will only create more violence.


Everything.

No, it doesn't. It creates LESS violence. Criminals will be scared of invading random homes or stealing from random people because they will fear being shot. Look up the "umbrella effect".

Post automatically merged: Oct 3, 2024

Banning guns won't solve a thing. It's culture. There's less gun violence in the red open carry states than there are in the blue gun controlled states. However, the blue cities have denser population, higher homeless rates and higher prices which are factors.

Since 1999, gun violence has decreased by 40% but gun COVERAGE in the news has increased 800% thanks to the Columbine Shooting. People are simply more exposed to gun violence now.

Down here in Brazil, we had pretty loose gun laws and crime was not that big of a deal. Now we have strict guns laws and crime doesn't stop increasing. What happened is that we are ruled by politicians that enable criminals. Gun control is a classic authoritarian regime move.

 

[Okamakama]

Banning guns won't solve a thing. It's culture. There's less gun violence in the red open carry states than there are in the blue gun controlled states. However, the blue cities have denser population, higher homeless rates and higher prices which are factors.

Since 1999, gun violence has decreased by 40% but gun COVERAGE in the news has increased 800% thanks to the Columbine Shooting. People are simply more exposed to gun violence now.

Reminds me of something my mum told me like 14 years ago.

She said: "There is more coverage of pedos and kidnappers these days, but when I was young, it was a lot more prevalent. Parents who are keeping their kids indoors in fear of the 'rising crime rate' are the same ones who grew up with their nana telling them to avoid the nonce down the street."

It's a different country, but I think this is probably true with gun crime as well. The free-access we have to information now as opposed to the past means any incident will be brought to the attention of the public. However, it's possible that incidents of gun crime were more prevalent in the past, it's just we had no means of learning about them.

The media makes money off tragedy and controversy. What's juicier than a story of a teen shooting up a school, or a mentally ill person shooting up a parade? All it does it make the anxious folk of the world feel they are living in the darkest period of history. They demand ridiculous changes, not realising that crime has and always will exist.

We cannot complete erase the circumstances that breed criminality. Depriving people of guns just makes them helpless, be it against their would-be attackers, or their own government.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

You want to do something while having no idea whatsoever how to do it. There is no healing psychopaths. There are upper class criminals too. Economical status does not define ones character. Upper class criminals usually avoid violence because they have better means of enriching themselves illegally, meanwhile the poor ones need to resort to robing, killing and trafficking guns/drugs.

Post automatically merged: Oct 3, 2024

How likely is this to escalate into a full blown regional war?

Post automatically merged: Oct 3, 2024

This "professor" sounds like a massive asshole and instigator. That said, he is right about Iran. It isn't that easy and simple to start a war with them.

He feels so superior while he's throwing those buzzwords around meanwhile Iran oppresses over 50% of their population and executes them for showing 2 cm of hair.

Your idea is "more gun".

Yes give everyone a gun so they all kill each other, then worldpeace is achieved

Post automatically merged: Oct 3, 2024

s possible that incidents of gun crime were more prevalent in the past, it's just we had no means of learning about it.

Whenever I hear people complain about society becoming more violent and evil videogames&movies my reaction is this
They seem to forget that our ancestors had no concept if human rights, beat their wife&kids on a daily basis, slaughtered animals without anesthesia, publically executed their fellow citizens and prisoners of war, committed genocide for sport and collected body parts as trophies

 

[Logiko]

No, it doesn't. It creates LESS violence.

The scientific consensus says WRONG.

 

[Okamakama]

Whenever I hear people complain about society becoming more violent and evil videogames&movies my reaction is this
They seem to forget that our ancestors had no concept if human rights, beat their wife&kids on a daily basis, slaughtered animals without anesthesia, publically executed their fellow citizens and prisoners of war, committed genocide for sport and collected body parts as trophies

This echoes my own opinions on the matter. The rate of criminality is not increasing - nor is the depravity of the crimes being committed.

A lot of the time it is simply anxious, soft-hearted people who make such comments. Sometimes they're simply too kind, or perhaps naïve. My wife used to be somewhat like that in the past.

I want a safe world. However, if there will always be aggressive people who seek what they want through domination and violence, then giving law-abiding people the ability to defend themselves with lethal force if necessary is... a no-brainer?

I don't understand the argument that giving guns out to people will create MORE violence. Gun crime is not prevalent in many countries that allow people to keep guns (take Switzerland, for example). The issue with gun crime lies not in the gun itself.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I want a safe world

'Safe' is the politically correct word for mass surveillance.

 

[Okamakama]

'Safe' is the politically correct word for mass surveillance.

Nah. I don't want mass surveillance. We have enough of that already, thank you very much. Call me crazy, but I am fervently against "SMART" devices for this reason.

No, I meant... giving people the right to defend themselves. If defending others wasn't the fastest ticket to being put in jail and sued by a criminal for damages (for preventing THEM from hurting someone else), then we'd have more people standing up in the defence of others, I feel.

 

[NAMELESS]

The scientific consensus says WRONG.

Yeah, of course, same scientists that claim bearded men can be women.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Call me crazy, but I am fervently against "SMART" devices for this reason.

People who peddle this smart bs should all be h**g

No, I meant... giving people the right to defend themselves. If defending others wasn't the fastest ticket to being put in jail and sued by a criminal for damages (for preventing THEM from hurting someone else), then we'd have more people standing up in the defence of others, I feel.

If you have to defend someone against a criminal just k*ll the criminal and tell the police that you are a criminal and that the real criminal was an innocent victim. Should be easier for you to get away with it

 

[NAMELESS]

Reminds me of something my mum told me like 14 years ago.

She said: "There is more coverage of pedos and kidnappers these days, but when I was young, it was a lot more prevalent. Parents who are keeping their kids indoors in fear of the 'rising crime rate' are the same ones who grew up with their nana telling them to avoid the nonce down the street."

It's a different country, but I think this is probably true with gun crime as well. The free-access we have to information now as opposed to the past means any incident will be brought to the attention of the public. However, it's possible that incidents of gun crime were more prevalent in the past, it's just we had no means of learning about them.

The media makes money off tragedy and controversy. What's juicier than a story of a teen shooting up a school, or a mentally ill person shooting up a parade? All it does it make the anxious folk of the world feel they are living in the darkest period of history. They demand ridiculous changes, not realising that crime has and always will exist.

We cannot complete erase the circumstances that breed criminality. Depriving people of guns just makes them helpless, be it against their would-be attackers, or their own government.

I stopped watching news because of all the fear mongering. My mental health has improved a lot since this decision.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Upper class criminals usually avoid violence because they have better means of enriching themselves illegally,

As we speak, the so called upper class criminals are intentionally provoking a world war so they can sell more weapons
How d**b are you?!

 

[NAMELESS]

People who peddle this smart bs should all be h**g

If you have to defend someone against a criminal just k*ll the criminal and tell the police that you are a criminal and that the real criminal was an innocent victim. Should be easier for you to get away with it

why didn't i think of that

Post automatically merged: Oct 3, 2024

As we speak, the so called upper class criminals are intentionally provoking a world war so they can sell more weapons
How d**b are you?!

Are they killing with their own hands? NO! Down here they kill people by letting gangs loose and stealing money from health care.

 

[Okamakama]

People who peddle this smart bs should all be h**g

If you have to defend someone against a criminal just k*ll the criminal and tell the police that you are a criminal and that the real criminal was an innocent victim. Should be easier for you to get away with it

You don't like SMART tech either?

Unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that. Too many people sympathise with criminals these days. If I beat up a man for trying to rape a woman, I do not doubt that I'd be dragged through the court of public opinion as a monster, especially if the criminal had any identifiable "protected" characteristics.

People are very soft towards criminals these days, I feel. If I, god forbid, killed a man in the defence of another (and you better believe I would if it was for my wife or our future kids), there would be so many arguments about "proportionality."

There is a famous case a Swedish friend of mine told me. There was a man whose home was being attacked by five people. He shot and killed one of them. The judge, in the trial asked: "Did you tell them politely to stop?" As if that would have been a solution to anything. I feel so many people these days would ask similar questions. "Why didn't you stop attacking when you knew they were down?" the obvious answer is: "I didn't know what would happen if they suddenly got up."

Unfortunately, people do not empathise with the defender in these situations a lot of the time.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

why didn't i think of that

Victims of crime in countries that don't prosecute such crime should do the same. For example r*pe victims in South Korea. That country's laws are completely insane, the only way to get justice is resorting to vigilante justice but many victims hate themselves so they'll never realize.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Reminds me of something my mum told me like 14 years ago.

She said: "There is more coverage of pedos and kidnappers these days, but when I was young, it was a lot more prevalent. Parents who are keeping their kids indoors in fear of the 'rising crime rate' are the same ones who grew up with their nana telling them to avoid the nonce down the street."

It's a different country, but I think this is probably true with gun crime as well. The free-access we have to information now as opposed to the past means any incident will be brought to the attention of the public. However, it's possible that incidents of gun crime were more prevalent in the past, it's just we had no means of learning about them.

The media makes money off tragedy and controversy. What's juicier than a story of a teen shooting up a school, or a mentally ill person shooting up a parade? All it does it make the anxious folk of the world feel they are living in the darkest period of history. They demand ridiculous changes, not realising that crime has and always will exist.

We cannot complete erase the circumstances that breed criminality. Depriving people of guns just makes them helpless, be it against their would-be attackers, or their own government.

Hence why the MSM is the enemy of the people.

 

[NAMELESS]

You don't like SMART tech either?

Unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that. Too many people sympathise with criminals these days. If I beat up a man for trying to rape a woman, I do not doubt that I'd be dragged through the court of public opinion as a monster, especially if the criminal had any identifiable "protected" characteristics.

People are very soft towards criminals these days, I feel. If I, god forbid, killed a man in the defence of another (and you better believe I would if it was for my wife or our future kids), there would be so many arguments about "proportionality."

There is a famous case a Swedish friend of mine told me. There was a man whose home was being attacked by five people. He shot and killed one of them. The judge, in the trial asked: "Did you tell them politely to stop?" As if that would have been a solution to anything. I feel so many people these days would ask similar questions. "Why didn't you stop attacking when you knew they were down?" the obvious answer is: "I don't know what will happen if they suddenly get up." Unfortunately, people do not empathise with the defender in these situations a lot of the time.

AL deleted my post, but i shared a link here with a scene from American Horror Story where a kid tries to stop a mass shooter by speaking to him. He ate some buckshot and the killings kept going.

Post automatically merged: Oct 3, 2024

Victims of crime in countries that don't prosecute such crime should do the same. For example r*pe victims in South Korea. That country's laws are completely insane, the only way to get justice is resorting to vigilante justice but many victims hate themselves so they'll never realize.

oh boy,i could go to jail here by saying something like that lol

 

[Okamakama]

AL deleted my post, but i shared a link here with a scene from American Horror Story where a kid tries to stop a mass shooter by speaking to him. He ate some buckshot and the killings kept going.

Appropriate violence is sometimes the only possible response in the face of such evil. You cannot talk some people down - You can only take them down. It's genuinely saddening because I'd like to believe in a world where violence is not necessary at all, but it will never be the case. It's why I believe all men should learn how to fight. I think there are so many cowardly males now who would just let a woman be assaulted and watch on without getting involved...

Post automatically merged: Oct 3, 2024

Victims of crime in countries that don't prosecute such crime should do the same. For example r*pe victims in South Korea. That country's laws are completely insane, the only way to get justice is resorting to vigilante justice but many victims hate themselves so they'll never realize.

Can you share your knowledge about the crazy laws in SK? My mother-in-law lives there, and my wife has mentioned wanting us to move there one day (it's one of the main reasons I'm learning Korean). Would be good to know these things.