Speculations Blackbeard Pirates Vs. Straw Hats Lineup

[kumae]

Pizarro doesn’t align with Sanjis opponents at all. All of Sanjis opponents since entering the grand line are tricksters who gain advantage through tricks and deceit. Pizarros big island just doesn’t align with that at all.

Meanwhile, Lafittes hypnosis ability actually does. Combine this with Lafitte being uniquely hyped among the original crew and the only one Oda didn’t get negged by Ace, it’s clear that Oda respects the guy. Plus narratively Lafittes famous for his mistreatment and abuse of prisoners which also works with a Sanji fight because Pudding is now a prisoner of the BBP and we all know she will somehow be involved in Sanjis match up and this is just the easiest way.

Besides Pizarro vs Coby is already started because of those two clashing in Hachinosu.

Nope all his opponents have heavy/dura gimmick
Jabra:Tekkai
Queen:Fat heavy dino
Pizarro has heavy tank gimmick so he meets those requirement
You just made up part of the laffite connection/temathic
Unless loda comes out that judge/MADS were experimenting with laffite there's 0 connection and tematic
Tematic with pizarro:Germa prince vs corrupt King
Connection:Ex north blue royalty + germa fb in whole cake judge was known as the north blue Kings Slayer

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Nope all his opponents have heavy/dura gimmick
Jabra:Tekkai
Queen:Fat heavy dino
Pizarro has heavy tank gimmick so he meets those requirement
You just made up part of the laffite connection/temathic
Unless loda came out that judge/MADS were experimenting with laffite there's 0 connection and tematic
Tematic with pizarro:Germa prince vs corrupt King
Connection:Ex north blue royalty + germa fb in whole cake judge was known as the north blue Kings Slayer

What durability gimmick did Mr. 2 and absalom have?
Meanwhile every single one of them used trickery in their fight to gain an advantage. And let’s not act like women aren’t involved in all of Sanjis main fight meanwhile Lafitte is famous for abusing prisoners.

The Pizarro vs Sanji headcanon ended when Oda set up Pizarro vs Coby as their main fight in the BBP arc.

Plus Pizarro literally has zero connection to Germa. He didn’t get hated because of judge, he lost his kingdom because of his own corruption.

 

[kumae]

What durability gimmick did Mr. 2 and absalom have?
Meanwhile every single one of them used trickery in their fight to gain an advantage. And let’s not act like women aren’t involved in all of Sanjis main fight meanwhile Lafitte is famous for abusing prisoners.

The Pizarro vs Sanji headcanon ended when Oda set up Pizarro vs Coby as their main fight in the BBP arc.

Plus Pizarro literally has zero connection to Germa. He didn’t get hated because of judge, he lost his kingdom because of his own corruption.

Those are the only two true but see pizarro/Shiryu is like Queen/King besides they share same gimmicks
Where it states that Laffite is famous for abusing prisoners?wasn't King also famous for that and we didn't see him doing it
That's what they say about pizarro loosing his kingdom but we don't know if it's really true the coby vs pizarro is just headcannon literally coby manage to get away and kind of "defeat" pizarro in any case it would be the other way around like jack and the minks case
Yasheen the question is pretty simple why loda gave the invisibility fruit to a swordsman and why he gave pica fruit to ex north blue royalty???like who already fought those fruit??Are you so obsese with laffite that you are the only one who doesn't see that suspocious

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Those are the only two true but see pizarro/Shiryu is like Queen/King besides they share same gimmicks
Where it states that Laffite is famous for abusing prisoners?wasn't King also famous for that and we didn't see him doing it
That's what they say about pizarro loosing his kingdom but we don't know if it's really true the coby vs pizarro is just headcannon literally coby manage to get away and kind of "defeat" pizarro in any case it would be the other way around like jack and the minks case
Yasheen the question is pretty simple why loda gave the invisibility fruit to a swordsman and why he gave pica fruit to ex north blue royalty???like who already fought those fruit??Are you so obsese with laffite that you are the only one who doesn't see that suspocious

Pizarro/Shiryu is not like King and Queen. That’s Lafitte/Shiryu seeing how when they were introduced post timeskip they were introduced together bullying a weaker commander in Burgess just like King and Queen with Jack.

Literally Lafittes introduction was Tsuru talking about Lafittes brutality as a sheriff which caused him to be kicked out of the west blue. King was just caused a pervert he never was mentioned famous for that at all.

And Coby never beat Pizarro in any sense of the word lmao. Garp had to sacrifice himself to give Coby a chance to flee, Coby had to get rescued by Helmeppo doing so, and prince grus had to save the ship from the debris. On his own Coby would’ve been recaptured and the ship would’ve been completely destroyed. That’s unfinished business. That’d be like saying Inu already beat Jack in Zou.

He didn’t give the pica fruit to Pizarro. Pizarro has a different fruit from pica like I don’t get why people try and say they’re the same fruit when they’re not. All the level 5 prisoners BB freed were given fruits related to their moniker.
Giant battleship - A fruit that gives him giant sizing
Heavy drinker - A fruit that lets him fight with alcohol
Crescent moon Killer - A fruit that gives her the same form of the moon god symbolized by the crescent moon
Corrupt king - A fruit that gives him complete authority over the island he’s on

If it was the actual pica fruit you’d have a point but it’s very clearly not and Oda already matched up Pizarro and Coby.

 

[kumae]

Pizarro/Shiryu is not like King and Queen. That’s Lafitte/Shiryu seeing how when they were introduced post timeskip they were introduced together bullying a weaker commander in Burgess just like King and Queen with Jack.

Literally Lafittes introduction was Tsuru talking about Lafittes brutality as a sheriff which caused him to be kicked out of the west blue. King was just caused a pervert he never was mentioned famous for that at all.

And Coby never beat Pizarro in any sense of the word lmao. Garp had to sacrifice himself to give Coby a chance to flee, Coby had to get rescued by Helmeppo doing so, and prince grus had to save the ship from the debris. On his own Coby would’ve been recaptured and the ship would’ve been completely destroyed. That’s unfinished business. That’d be like saying Inu already beat Jack in Zou.

He didn’t give the pica fruit to Pizarro. Pizarro has a different fruit from pica like I don’t get why people try and say they’re the same fruit when they’re not. All the level 5 prisoners BB freed were given fruits related to their moniker.
Giant battleship - A fruit that gives him giant sizing
Heavy drinker - A fruit that lets him fight with alcohol
Crescent moon Killer - A fruit that gives her the same form of the moon god symbolized by the crescent moon
Corrupt king - A fruit that gives him complete authority over the island he’s on

If it was the actual pica fruit you’d have a point but it’s very clearly not and Oda already matched up Pizarro and Coby.

1.Shiryu and laffite were together to pick burguess they didn't even scold him besides they didn't even show a hate relationship like K&Q most people misunderstood that pannel thinking that Shiryu and laffite are RHM and LHM but no the RHM and LHM of the crew are laffite and Burguers (bird like King,Marco) heavy tank dude like Queen jozu besides make sense Teach wouldn't name RHM or LHM someone who join the last
2.Shiryu and pizarro were together showing the powers having a bittery relationship fighting against Garp/Marco
Fire invincible race/sneak invisible swordsman
Fat heavy dino/heavy tanky golem
See is the same gimmick
3. Laffite can be all that brutal what that changes anyways he is also from the west dance is skinny is a demon has a cane his laugh is "hohohoho" doesn't remind you to someone
4.pizarro target was garp ship and coby avoided that so that story is over
5.sure is not the same fruit but they fuse with island objects though pizarro encompasses all is the invisible fruit that has gone to a fast sneaky swordsman not someone like Absalom but unlike pica/pizarro invisibility can only be posessed by one person

 

[Sir Yasheen]

1.Shiryu and laffite were together to pick burguess they didn't even scold him besides they didn't even show a hate relationship like K&Q most people misunderstood that pannel thinking that Shiryu and laffite are RHM and LHM but no the RHM and LHM of the crew are laffite and Burguers (bird like King,Marco) heavy tank dude like Queen jozu besides make sense Teach wouldn't name RHM or LHM someone who join the last
2.Shiryu and pizarro were together showing the powers having a bittery relationship fighting against Garp/Marco
Fire invincible race/sneak invisible swordsman
Fat heavy dino/heavy tanky golem
See is the same gimmick
3. Laffite can be all that brutal what that changes anyways he is also from the west dance is skinny is a demon has a cane his laugh is "hohohoho" doesn't remind you to someone
4.pizarro target was garp ship and coby avoided that so that story is over
5.sure is not the same fruit but they fuse with island objects though pizarro encompasses all is the invisible fruit that has gone to a fast sneaky swordsman not someone like Absalom but unlike pica/pizarro invisibility can only be posessed by one person

1. They still chastised Burgess. Lafitte chastising him for not giving Teach his proper respect and Shiryu assuming burgess died in Dressrosa. It’s clear that the RHM is Shiryu and the Chief of Staff is Lafitte just like it’s been hinted at tons of time.
2. At no point did Shiryu and Pizarro even remotely show any sort of rivalry lmao
3. Lafitte is never going to fight Brook lmao, Lafitte doesn’t fight with his cane he just has one, but we’re shown that unlike the blade fighters in the crew, Lafitte shot WB with a pistol cause he doesn’t fight with a weapon.
4. Grus was the one that saved the ship cause Coby couldn’t do it alone. Again this is like saying Inus job was to protect Raizo and he did so so he best jack. Just complete lie.

Pizarro isn’t fighting Sanji, he’ll fight Coby to show Coby’s growth.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Pizarro isn’t fighting Sanji, he’ll fight Coby to show Coby’s growth.

Coby's fighting Kuzan if he's even fighting a Blackbeard Pirate.

 

[Cruxroux]

Coby's fighting Kuzan if he's even fighting a Blackbeard Pirate.

How do you all come up with such ideas

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

How do you all come up with such ideas

I'm just saying it's more likely than any of the other options.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Coby's fighting Kuzan if he's even fighting a Blackbeard Pirate.

Coby’s not fighting Kuzan. If he were Oda would’ve had the two clash in Hachinosu. Instead Coby clashed with Pizarro.

Wild how y’all are just ignoring Coby clashing with Pizarro

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Wild how y’all are just ignoring Coby clashing with Pizarro

Wild how you ignore Pizarro having powers similar to Pica's while side-by-side with Shiryu showing off Absalom's powers.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Wild how you ignore Pizarro having powers similar to Pica's while side-by-side with Shiryu showing off Absalom's powers.

Because his powers aren’t picas. If Oda wanted to play that game he’d have just given him Picas fruit lmao

Pizarro is Coby’s fight. The hero saving the captured people in the slave camps of the corrupt king is the narrative odas going for. That’s why they clashed. That’s why Pizarros attack was used to force Garp to stay back while the ship sailed away.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Coby's fighting Kuzan if he's even fighting a Blackbeard Pirate.

coby ain't doing shit

Any top tier would neg him

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Because his powers aren’t picas. If Oda wanted to play that game he’d have just given him Picas fruit lmao

Or he'd give him similar powers to Pica like how he gave Devon similar powers to Mr. 2.

Pizarro is Coby’s fight. The hero saving the captured people in the slave camps of the corrupt king is the narrative odas going for. That’s why they clashed. That’s why Pizarros attack was used to force Garp to stay back while the ship sailed away.

Pizarro only clashed with Coby to be his hype tool. Otherwise, Coby has no matching relevant themes to him but does with Kuzan.

The first nine Titanic Captains are obviously for the nine Straw Hats.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Or he'd give him similar powers to Pica like how he gave Devon similar powers to Mr. 2.



Pizarro only clashed with Coby to be his hype tool. Otherwise, Coby has no matching relevant themes to him but does with Kuzan.

The first nine Titanic Captains are obviously for the nine Straw Hats.

Then he’d have also given Shiryu an upgraded version of the clear fruit but he didn’t. If Pizarro had picas fruit this would’ve been evidence, but he doesn’t so it’s completely pointless.

Pizarro clashed with Coby to set up Coby fully surpassing and beating Pizarro. That’s all. The straw hats are fighting the BBP with allies; not just with the main crew. This is like when people were hoping for Jack vs Jinbe.

Coby’s fighting Pizarro.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Then he’d have also given Shiryu an upgraded version of the clear fruit but he didn’t. If Pizarro had picas fruit this would’ve been evidence, but he doesn’t so it’s completely pointless.

Or Oda would do both. Evidence: introduced with it side-by-side with Devon's copy powers.

Pizarro clashed with Coby to set up Coby fully surpassing and beating Pizarro. That’s all. The straw hats are fighting the BBP with allies; not just with the main crew. This is like when people were hoping for Jack vs Jinbe.

Coby’s fighting Pizarro.

A Wyper VS Shura situation isn't happening with the Blackbeard Pirates because, unlike the Eneru's Priests and the Donquixote Pirates, they're meant to be evil counterparts to the Straw Hats.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Or Oda would do both. Evidence: introduced with it side-by-side with Devon's copy powers.



A Wyper VS Shura situation isn't happening with the Blackbeard Pirates because, unlike the Eneru's Priests and the Donquixote Pirates, they're meant to be evil counterparts to the Straw Hats.

Devon’s powers are because of her nickname. They don’t have anything to do with this lmao

Weird you call them evil counterparts to the straw hats while denying Lafitte and Sanji when one was kicked out of their home blue due to their brutality while the other was kicked out due to their kindness. Seems like a pretty clear counterpart there too lmao

You’re just trying to force Pizarro vs Sanji way too much when Oda outright showed Coby vs Pizarro

 

[Topi Jerami]

What durability gimmick did Mr. 2 and absalom have?
Meanwhile every single one of them used trickery in their fight to gain an advantage. And let’s not act like women aren’t involved in all of Sanjis main fight meanwhile Lafitte is famous for abusing prisoners.

The Pizarro vs Sanji headcanon ended when Oda set up Pizarro vs Coby as their main fight in the BBP arc.

Plus Pizarro literally has zero connection to Germa. He didn’t get hated because of judge, he lost his kingdom because of his own corruption.

What trick / deceit gimmick that Kuroobi, Wadatsumi, Vergo and Page One have?
Meanwhile every single of 4 above have durable bodies. And let's not act like Lafitte is famous for abusing women, you just make that shit up.

The Lafitte vs Sanji headcanon ended when Oda set up Nami vs Lafitte as their main fight in the BBP arc, just like the captain fights the captain, swordsman fights swordsman, doctor fights doctor, sniper vs sniper, helmsman vs helmsman etc.

Plus Lafitte literally also has zero connection to Germa. While Pizarro vs Sanji still makes more sense, Corrupt King vs Crying King's Son, both were still loyalty.

Coby will face Aokiji. The future EoS Admiral vs Corrupt former Admiral. Don't drag him down just because you wish EoS Sanji is above EoS Coby.

Post automatically merged: Oct 4, 2024

I can already see what Sanjitards keep doing recently
Either badmouthing Chopper, or downplaying Coby. Deep down they realize their boy is in mud, and they gotta drag the other characters down too. Sad behavior.

 

[Hamlette]

Devon’s powers are because of her nickname. They don’t have anything to do with this lmao

Weird you call them evil counterparts to the straw hats while denying Lafitte and Sanji when one was kicked out of their home blue due to their brutality while the other was kicked out due to their kindness. Seems like a pretty clear counterpart there too lmao

You’re just trying to force Pizarro vs Sanji way too much when Oda outright showed Coby vs Pizarro

Also consider why Blackbeard captured Pudding to begin with. He refers to her as the three eyed girl, meaning that's what he values in her. The reason Teach took Pudding is so that she could use her third eye to decipher the road Poneglyphs, but Pudding will in no way help Blackbeard get what he wants, not willingly, meaning he'll need to force her to do so and the only way that would be possible is through mental manipulation. Laffitte can hypnotize Pudding and force her to decipher the Poneglyphs. Pudding is a prisoner who must be mentally manipulated to play her role for Blackbeard, Laffitte makes the most sense as the one tasked with overseeing that plan.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Devon’s powers are because of her nickname. They don’t have anything to do with this lmao

Explain her powers being introduced side-by-side with Shiryu's invisibility powers.

Weird you call them evil counterparts to the straw hats while denying Lafitte and Sanji when one was kicked out of their home blue due to their brutality while the other was kicked out due to their kindness. Seems like a pretty clear counterpart there too lmao

Nami's a "good thief" while Lafitte was a "bad cop." Sanji and Pizarro were rejected North Blue royalty for kindness and cruelty respectively. See how you ignore the other ones because it hurts your point?

You’re just trying to force Pizarro vs Sanji way too much when Oda outright showed Coby vs Pizarro

Pizarro and Sanji having matching themes is forced but a mere clash between Pizarro and Coby isn't?