Speculations Blackbeard Pirates Vs. Straw Hats Lineup
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It's not forced if it's obvious. Of all places to show Devon's copying abilities side-by-side with Shiryu showing off Absalom's former abilities? Why of all places in a chapter way before Oda shows off the other Blackbeard Pirate abilities?
Nami is one of the most compassionate members of the Straw Hats with a soft spot for children. She doesn't have to be a Robin Hood to be a "good thief" (I used quotations for a reason). Hell, Nami was willing to give her gold to Lola.
That's only if Oda's going for that plotline or if he'd have Pizarro go after him.
Kuzan matches with Coby far more than Pizarro ever could that it's not even up for a debate.
Considering that Blackbeard was really up Pizarro's ass over letting Moria and Coby escape, he'd be more attentive about escapees especially if it's Pudding.
It was in the official concept art.
Nami is one of the most compassionate members of the Straw Hats with a soft spot for children. She doesn't have to be a Robin Hood to be a "good thief" (I used quotations for a reason). Hell, Nami was willing to give her gold to Lola.
That's only if Oda's going for that plotline or if he'd have Pizarro go after him.
Kuzan matches with Coby far more than Pizarro ever could that it's not even up for a debate.
Considering that Blackbeard was really up Pizarro's ass over letting Moria and Coby escape, he'd be more attentive about escapees especially if it's Pudding.
It was in the official concept art.
Because Shiryus and Devon’s powers were plot relevant unlike all the other powers at that time.
Nami gave some gold to Lola because Lola saved her life, but she still steals money and just uses it for herself. I’m not calling her a bad person, but she’s no gentleman thief like Lupin III
Why would Pizarro not go after him? Do you think Pizarro would just be like “Hey there’s the guy who got me in trouble with Teach! I’ll let him go oh well.” How does that make sense?
But he’s not in charge of Pudding, Puddings not held in Pizarros slabs camps like the others were. You see the massive difference?
What concept art? Link it
Nami gave some gold to Lola because Lola saved her life, but she still steals money and just uses it for herself. I’m not calling her a bad person, but she’s no gentleman thief like Lupin III
Why would Pizarro not go after him? Do you think Pizarro would just be like “Hey there’s the guy who got me in trouble with Teach! I’ll let him go oh well.” How does that make sense?
But he’s not in charge of Pudding, Puddings not held in Pizarros slabs camps like the others were. You see the massive difference?
What concept art? Link it
On the subject of Nami being a Good Thief...
I can respect that.
She really only steals when it's like nobody will care.
AND when she expects a duty fee/a charge for her own services
So, in reality she's kind of just good at business lol
Although initially ya she used deceit to get her way but back then she was Arlong pirate bros
The bottom line with that is Luffy would get mad at her if she did something truly evil that disadvantaged someone or caused them harm
I'm going to go into some super weird headcanon with this
Imagine Nami had taken over a country on her own within one of Luffy's territories and she said she was going to make it prosperous - but the way she went about it was by controlling everybody and she became queen of this island but she became oppressive... Luffy would come check on Nami at some point and get mad at her for making everyone on the island suffer just for money. Nami would be in a throne room on a Queen's Throne with her eyes shadowed while she says something like "He's coming... send the guards and tell him that there is nothing to worry about and if he wants to know what's going on with the residents of this country then tell him they are all safe." In such a scenario, Luffy would still confront her about what's going on in the country. This is a large scope in what Nami's influence could do in the world of One Piece, and it illustrates what Luffy would do if she had done such a thing. However, she does not act in this manner, and she would already know that Luffy would never agree with taking advantage of citizens just to be prosperous.
I can respect that.
She really only steals when it's like nobody will care.
AND when she expects a duty fee/a charge for her own services
So, in reality she's kind of just good at business lol
Although initially ya she used deceit to get her way but back then she was Arlong pirate bros
The bottom line with that is Luffy would get mad at her if she did something truly evil that disadvantaged someone or caused them harm
I'm going to go into some super weird headcanon with this
Imagine Nami had taken over a country on her own within one of Luffy's territories and she said she was going to make it prosperous - but the way she went about it was by controlling everybody and she became queen of this island but she became oppressive... Luffy would come check on Nami at some point and get mad at her for making everyone on the island suffer just for money. Nami would be in a throne room on a Queen's Throne with her eyes shadowed while she says something like "He's coming... send the guards and tell him that there is nothing to worry about and if he wants to know what's going on with the residents of this country then tell him they are all safe." In such a scenario, Luffy would still confront her about what's going on in the country. This is a large scope in what Nami's influence could do in the world of One Piece, and it illustrates what Luffy would do if she had done such a thing. However, she does not act in this manner, and she would already know that Luffy would never agree with taking advantage of citizens just to be prosperous.
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What was plot relevant about them during Wano Country?
You can only pick ONE color.
But she's a compassionate thief compared to Lafitte being a corrupt cop.
He'd consider a runaway Pudding a bigger priority, and Kuzan can handle Coby instead (if Kuzan's even getting a matchup).
Pudding doesn't have to be in Pizarro's "work camps" (if he even runs it). If Sanji tries to rescue Pudding, Pizarro would be his biggest threat because there'd be nowhere for them to hide until they reach a ship, and even then, he'd still be an issue considering he can control the island and all.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/o...9_Early.png/revision/latest?cb=20230130170056
フクロウ = Fukuro
VSナミ= VS Nami
You can only pick ONE color.
But she's a compassionate thief compared to Lafitte being a corrupt cop.
He'd consider a runaway Pudding a bigger priority, and Kuzan can handle Coby instead (if Kuzan's even getting a matchup).
Pudding doesn't have to be in Pizarro's "work camps" (if he even runs it). If Sanji tries to rescue Pudding, Pizarro would be his biggest threat because there'd be nowhere for them to hide until they reach a ship, and even then, he'd still be an issue considering he can control the island and all.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/o...9_Early.png/revision/latest?cb=20230130170056
フクロウ = Fukuro
VSナミ= VS Nami
Moriah’s capture and confirmed death of Absalom
Imagine thinking giving someone money cause they saved their life is the same as being a gentleman thief when you still actively take money from your shipmates and tried to seduce a kid because he was rich and calls Zeus her slave.
Pizarros not responsible for Pudding like he was directly called responsible for the slave camps.
You’re just pulling straws to try and ignore the very clear set up for Coby vs Pizarro to push some weird Nami vs Lafitte nonsense when it’s been clear since Banaro Island Lafittes well above her pay grade.
And also you posted a blank picture dude there’s nothing there.
Imagine thinking giving someone money cause they saved their life is the same as being a gentleman thief when you still actively take money from your shipmates and tried to seduce a kid because he was rich and calls Zeus her slave.
Pizarros not responsible for Pudding like he was directly called responsible for the slave camps.
You’re just pulling straws to try and ignore the very clear set up for Coby vs Pizarro to push some weird Nami vs Lafitte nonsense when it’s been clear since Banaro Island Lafittes well above her pay grade.
And also you posted a blank picture dude there’s nothing there.
All of which could've been shown through flashbacks in Egghead.
I'm not saying Nami's perfect, but she is undoubtedly compassionate even for a thief.
He doesn't have to be. Pizarro is the most dangerous person for Pudding and her rescuer to deal with in any escape attempt.
What clear set up? Being Coby's biggest obstacle like any other escapee? A vague connection to "hero" and freeing people? What does those have over Coby and Kuzan being Garp's proteges and Kuzan being responsible for Garp's incarceration?
Nami VS Lafitte is more likely than Chopper getting a horse.
Did you not get the link?
Try this:
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Fukurou#Early_Concepts
I'm not saying Nami's perfect, but she is undoubtedly compassionate even for a thief.
He doesn't have to be. Pizarro is the most dangerous person for Pudding and her rescuer to deal with in any escape attempt.
What clear set up? Being Coby's biggest obstacle like any other escapee? A vague connection to "hero" and freeing people? What does those have over Coby and Kuzan being Garp's proteges and Kuzan being responsible for Garp's incarceration?
Nami VS Lafitte is more likely than Chopper getting a horse.
Did you not get the link?
Try this:
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Fukurou#Early_Concepts
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Wasn't Nami introduced stealing from pirates only (she even got angry at Luffy when he suggested that she was stealing from normal people) to free her village even when she believed the villagers hated her guts? it fits the idea of a gentleman thief i'd say.
Another case that fits the "compassionate thief" trope is that Camie did not save Nami life yet Nami was the one to bring up the idea of spending all the money they have ( we're not talking about just a bit of gold or having her hand forced by the rest of the crew here) to free her, despite only knowing each other for like a few hours in-universe.
These scenes were 100% serious, it'd say they have more bearing on how the author perceives Nami's thievery than gag scenes exaggerating a flaw (greediness in this instance) for comedy.
Wasn't Nami introduced stealing from pirates only (she even got angry at Luffy when he suggested that she was stealing from normal people) to free her village even when she believed the villagers hated her guts? it fits the idea of a gentleman thief i'd say.
Another case that fits the "compassionate thief" trope is that Camie did not save Nami life yet Nami was the one to bring up the idea of spending all the money they have ( we're not talking about just a bit of gold or having her hand forced by the rest of the crew here) to free her, despite only knowing each other for like a few hours in-universe.
These scenes were 100% serious, it'd say they have more bearing on how the author perceives Nami's thievery than gag scenes exaggerating a flaw (greediness in this instance) for comedy.
Having compassion and being willing to use the money for others isn’t the same as stealing for others. Again, the Zeus scene was most definitely not a gag scene.
Nami steals money for herself, there’s nothing wrong with it she’s a pirate afterall and because she’s a good person, she’ll sometimes use that money to help others like with Camie. But trying to portray her as some Robin Hood because she’s done a few good things is a vast misunderstanding of her character.
Nami steals money for herself, there’s nothing wrong with it she’s a pirate afterall and because she’s a good person, she’ll sometimes use that money to help others like with Camie. But trying to portray her as some Robin Hood because she’s done a few good things is a vast misunderstanding of her character.
She steals primarily for her own interest after her village was freed, that I'm not discussing.
But she did steal for the sake of others for 8 years though, so she did fit the "robin hood" at one point of her life. It might not be the case in the present but Laffite being a corrupt sheriff is also a thing of the past if someone want to make a parallel.
Eh, Nami did force Zeus hand (although he technically tried to fry her 30 seconds before) but the way it was framed feel like Oda purposely having fun with the "Nami is so scary despite being weak" thing, considering how unusual her facial expression was.
"Slave" was still a harsh word though, and this is why believe Oda had Zeus later saying in Wano that Nami "was so nice to him"/" betrayed her kindness". It feel deliberate, making it clear that the "slave" thing was not serious and he was more than fine ditching Meme fat ass for Nami climat tact. (or you gotta headcanon bro having some extreme case of stockholm syndrome.)
I think both Sanji vs Pizarro and Sanji vs Laffite have valid arguments
But she did steal for the sake of others for 8 years though, so she did fit the "robin hood" at one point of her life. It might not be the case in the present but Laffite being a corrupt sheriff is also a thing of the past if someone want to make a parallel.
Eh, Nami did force Zeus hand (although he technically tried to fry her 30 seconds before) but the way it was framed feel like Oda purposely having fun with the "Nami is so scary despite being weak" thing, considering how unusual her facial expression was.
"Slave" was still a harsh word though, and this is why believe Oda had Zeus later saying in Wano that Nami "was so nice to him"/" betrayed her kindness". It feel deliberate, making it clear that the "slave" thing was not serious and he was more than fine ditching Meme fat ass for Nami climat tact. (or you gotta headcanon bro having some extreme case of stockholm syndrome.)
I think both Sanji vs Pizarro and Sanji vs Laffite have valid arguments
I think there is a barrier there that Nami won't be able to overcome if she fights Laffitte. It's speed/mobility. Laffitte seems to be able to use rapid movement and flies too.
Can Nami keep up with this guy?
Can Nami keep up with this guy?
It’s like assuming that Chopper would fight Marco if the SHs are matched up against the WBs simply coz they are both doctors or that Gaban who’s Sanji’s direct parallel in the Roger Pirates would fight Nami in a confrontation btw the two crews simply because he’s a Navigator.
Not saying that role argument isn’t worth considering but using that solely as a basis for the matchups without giving it any critical thought is lazy.
Like you’ve already pointed out numerous times, Laffite’s portrayal in the Ace fight was very good. He was the only one that came out of that fight clean and Oda even gave him a speed flex and this is just one of several examples in the series where he’s gotten very good portrayal in comparison to the others. Other examples being him instigating a fight with Aokiji and coming out clean in that as well whereas the likes of Pizarro, Vasco & Wolf were frozen stiff. Then there was that moment pre-ts when he put Pizzaro in his place when the latter commented on stealing Teach’s seat as Captain. All of those added to the fact that he’s always tasked with carrying out very important missions from Blackbeard. So portayal wise, he’s beyond the kind of opponent Oda usually matches up against Nami.
Moreover it is increasingly obvious that Oda prefers to match Nami up against women which imo is an even stronger argument than the crew role matchup.
Lastly Laffite is said to be the Staff Officer of the Blackbeard Pirates indicating that he’s one of the higher ranking members of the Blackbeard Pirates which again disqualifies Nami as a potential opponent.
Laffite v Brook is also very unlikely for the very reasons stated above.
The roles idea appeals to me because I think it can challenge the Strawhats in core ways that haven’t really been pushed.
For Lafitte, he could be a siren that is using his navigational skills to put others lives at risk. Manipulating ships into rocks and whirlpools, foggy areas and stuff like that.
And Nami could then use her weather skills and navigation to both rescue those Lafitte is luring, and to defeat him.
Can maybe even be a 2 vs 2, or a 3 vs 3, and tie in Jinbei vs Burgess and Franky vs Wolf to boot.
Nami’s never had a fight like that before, and I think it is far more interesting than Nami fights Devon because they are women, and Sanji fights Lafitte because, what, he’s sneaky? It’s not even like Lafitte being brutal seperates him from the rest of the crew, they are all brutal, evil people (apart from Kuzan).
And for Pizarro, have him be the former king of a country that Germa used to fight (maybe involved in the 66 days that we still don’t know about, or with the mystery of Sora). Throw in that he used to starve his civilians while throwing lavish banquets where he would stuff himself, have him doing the same again and maybe setting slaves against Sanji, saying they will be fed once the Blackbeard‘s are winners.
For Lafitte, he could be a siren that is using his navigational skills to put others lives at risk. Manipulating ships into rocks and whirlpools, foggy areas and stuff like that.
And Nami could then use her weather skills and navigation to both rescue those Lafitte is luring, and to defeat him.
Can maybe even be a 2 vs 2, or a 3 vs 3, and tie in Jinbei vs Burgess and Franky vs Wolf to boot.
Nami’s never had a fight like that before, and I think it is far more interesting than Nami fights Devon because they are women, and Sanji fights Lafitte because, what, he’s sneaky? It’s not even like Lafitte being brutal seperates him from the rest of the crew, they are all brutal, evil people (apart from Kuzan).
And for Pizarro, have him be the former king of a country that Germa used to fight (maybe involved in the 66 days that we still don’t know about, or with the mystery of Sora). Throw in that he used to starve his civilians while throwing lavish banquets where he would stuff himself, have him doing the same again and maybe setting slaves against Sanji, saying they will be fed once the Blackbeard‘s are winners.
