Haki can get stronger, physical states can get stronger.
Luffy jumped from a low top tier to be able to defeat Kaido.
Of course G5 wont be looking stronger than Kaido when Luffy used it FOR THE FIRST-TIME.
That is not how it works.
Kaido is a fighter with great experince, great mastery of his df and haki moveset.
It would be bad if he was overwhelmed by G5 Luffy.
Like how Luffy learned FS but still Katakuri had a little better one.
It wont change the fact that both Kaido and Luffy got hyped equal when they both fought each other:
You saw how Luffy jumped tiers in just mera hours.
That wano Luffy, since Wano months pass, Luffy fought also strong opponents(Kizaru and Gorosei).
Means he got even stronger and the fact that he has now full control of G4 even in base show how much he improved and got stronger.
Means not just his G4 improved, but also his haki is now stronger and his G5 control is far greater.
Would be G4 enough to defeat Kaido?
Be honest nope, but I can see Luffy without G5 can legit push Kaido to high diff.
And now add G5, he wins.
He already did it.
He surpassed Kaido strongest attack and defeated him.
Wano Luffy did this...
Yes Kaido had a long ass battles with multiple characters, because that I place Kaido above wano Luffy.
But current Luffy is different, he can make Kaido enough exhaust to a point where he can finish him off with G5.
And we saw G5 was strong enough to tank Kaido strongest moves.
He couldn´t knock out Luffy and that is my point, Luffy could simple fight with G5 enough.
Ragnaroku wasn´t the reason why Luffy almost lost G5 transformation, it was because G5 drained lot of energy mate:
You see, it was just Luffy G5 was running out because it drained much energy, not because Kaido knocked him out.
We don´t even know what for weakess or durability Loki will have.
But fact is that he will face A STRONGER Luffy...
A Luffy who can now use better haki, better his Gears and awakening..
Challenging such a strong opponent would be already a good feat.
And Kaido in fact never knocked out Luffy in G5, if Loki can do it, it proves that Loki pose AP who are above Kaido one.
Hell he might even show a hakai feat who can surpass the one of Kaido&Big Mom together one!!
Oda is hyping the shit of Loki.
We need to sit down and just watch how strong this guy will be.
But you can agree, the hype this guy has, it means he will show some crazy feats.
And unlike Kizaru and the Gorosei who couldn´t fight all out because of plot(they will once they fight in the end war), Loki is free to show his true power from the beginning.
Loki will be one lvl above Oden, same Oden who give Kaido a good fight.
Im pretty sure if Kaido tried to do what he did in wano with the samurai, in Elbaf, he would be dead now.
Haki can get stronger, physical states can get stronger.
Sure, and? Ultimately, Kaidou's Haki was overpowering Luffy's Haki, which was strong enough to split the skies.
Luffy jumped from a low top tier to be able to defeat Kaido.
Kaidou he fought like 15 other people and fought Luffy for 4 rounds in a single night. Do you realize how absurd that is? His fight against Luffy in Gear 4, in the round where Kaidou killed him, was already considered a world-class battle by the Gorosei. Unlike the Luffy we've seen in Egghead, the Wano Luffy vs. Kaidou wasn’t restricted by anything. Oda has openly stated that he holds Luffy back; otherwise, the fight would end too quickly, and that's what he did in Egghead. In Wano, we saw Luffy 100% serious and using everything he had, not that Snakeman with basic Haki against Kizaru. And after Gear 4, Kaidou still had to beat down Gear 5.
Of course G5 wont be looking stronger than Kaido when Luffy used it FOR THE FIRST-TIME.
The purpose of a new transformation in shonen manga is usually for the hero to surpass and dominate the villain—it's a cliché. However, that logic was completely lost against Kaidou. Luffy had his goofy moments, showed what he could do with his new form, and then Oda immediately had Kaidou beat him down.
It's like Frieza beating up Goku right after he transformed into Super Saiyan for the first time. LMAO
That is not how it works.Kaido is a fighter with great experince, great mastery of his df and haki moveset.
That makes Luffy's power-up lose its meaning. If it wasn't to have him surpass and dominate Kaidou, then what was it for? You're dealing with that, but Oda had no issue showing Kizaru getting humiliated and dominated by Luffy, who has way less experience compared to Kaidou. And now you're making excuses for why Kaidou dominated Luffy, haha.
"It would be bad if he got dominated by G5 Luffy."
Like how Luffy learned FS but still Katakuri had a little better one.
No, that doesn't correlate at all. It would make sense if Kaidou had been using his awakening as well, and through that, he proved to be better than Luffy's awakening, just like how Katakuri was slightly better than Luffy. However, Kaidou, with what he had already shown before—his hybrid form and drunk modes—proved to be stronger than Luffy even before their final clash of attacks.
You saw how Luffy jumped tiers in just mera hours.That wano Luffy, since Wano months pass, Luffy fought also strong opponents(Kizaru and Gorosei).Means he got even stronger and the fact that he has now full control of G4 even in base show how much he improved and got stronger.
This is where you're wrong. Luffy improved Gear 4, but Gear 5 is better. Kaidou beat Gear 5, man, so why would he have trouble beating "Base Luffy using Gear 4"? Gear 5 has much superior stats to Gear 4, especially in terms of durability. Look, Luffy only manages to hold his own against Kaidou if Kaidou adopts a non-serious, playful mindset. Because if he goes with the same mentality he had against Gear 5, where he dominated Luffy's strongest form, how will the weaker forms hold up? His drunken, killer mode—the death destroyer—he'd be killed again.
Serious hybrid Kaidou could counterattack and blitz Gear 5, which has superior attack speed and movement compared to all other forms, just to start with.
Be honest nope, but I can see Luffy without G5 can legit push Kaido to high diff.
Mid Top tier, Gear 4 Luffy, unrestricted Snakeman Luffy was at least a MID TOP TIER, or even more in Wano. To have a world-class battle, you need to be at least MID TOP TIER, and Kaidou treated him like nothing when he got serious and killed him.
And now add G5, he wins.
He already did it.
He surpassed Kaido strongest attack and defeated him.
Wano Luffy did this...
You’re forgetting how Oda, the author, wanted to bring down the beast that is Kaidou. It didn’t start with a 1v1 between him and Luffy; this monster had to go through a gauntlet, fight multiple rounds against Luffy, and even carry an island.
Kaidou fought about 15 other people and battled Luffy for four rounds in a single night. Before that finishing move, Kaidou was genuinely winning the fight. This manga needs to move forward and show Kaidou facing Luffy’s attack head-on instead of dodging while leaving open interpretations that he was at 0 resistance. That’s what Oda did. Luffy technically “won” against Kaidou for a moment while Kaidou beat him down in every other aspect. Right now, it wouldn’t make any difference to Kaidou regarding Luffy’s final attack, because he would just choose to dodge and then defeat Luffy immediately afterward. So how is that surpassing him?
Luffy just got lucky.
Let’s try to interpret the scene:
Luffy held Kaidou to prevent him from dodging, but Kaidou managed to break free from the grip. At this point, Luffy was already in serious trouble. So what does Oda do? He writes Kaidou with the mindset to face Luffy and his giant fist head-on. Why? Because Luffy would have died again if Kaidou had chosen to dodge. If you think Luffy is close to Kaidou's level, you're out of your mind.
But current Luffy is different, he can make Kaido enough exhaust to a point where he can finish him off with G5.
And we saw G5 was strong enough to tank Kaido strongest moves.
Means not just his G4 improved, but also his haki is now stronger and his G5 control is far greater.
Oh my god, how on earth did his Haki get stronger? He didn’t have any extreme fights, he just played around with Kizaru and the Gorosei.
Did Kaidou's Haki get stronger with every confrontation he had in Wano? Did it get stronger against Big Mom, against the Scabbards, against the guys on top of the skull, and against Luffy multiple times? That’s absurd.
I’ve already addressed this—Luffy can't exhaust Kaidou. And no, Gear 5 showed incredible resilience, but those hits Kaidou was delivering, especially the “Death Destroyer,” would definitely take a toll on him afterward. Kaidou would just need to keep doing the simple work of beating down Gear 5, severely cutting him with his invisible blades, and burning him with the flames he screamed in pain from. After all, those same attacks had him needing a blood transfusion and sleeping for seven days; something like that would surely take a toll.
He couldn´t knock out Luffy and that is my point, Luffy could simple fight with G5 enough.
Ragnaroku wasn´t the reason why Luffy almost lost G5 transformation, it was because G5 drained lot of energy mate:
You see, it was just Luffy G5 was running out because it drained much energy, not because Kaido knocked him out.
Indeed, the Ragnaroku wasn’t the reason Luffy lost his Gear 5 transformation, but the attack left him trembling on the ground and unable to get up, and shortly
after that, he lost the transformation. How is that doing nothing?
We don´t even know what for weakess or durability Loki will have.
But fact is that he will face A STRONGER Luffy...
A Luffy who can now use better haki, better his Gears and awakening..
For me, it doesn’t make a difference; if Luffy were to face Kaidou now, he would be facing a stronger Kaidou too because Kaidou would be at 100% and wouldn’t be carrying an island that was draining his stamina as well.
Luffy's level of Haki hasn’t increased, and this time the outcome would be worse for Luffy. Without Gear 5, Luffy can’t withstand Kaidou’s top attacks, and consequently, two of Kaidou’s hits would be lethal, forcing Luffy to resort to Gear 5 immediately. Thus, Gear 5 has a time limit and is inferior to Kaidou as a fighter. We saw Kaidou dominate Luffy more times than Luffy dominated Kaidou during their fight. So what options does Gear 5 have against Kaidou? Pulling out that Bajrang Gun against a fresh, 100% Kaidou who can dodge this time?
Luffy’s victory is unfeasible in every way without Oda helping him.
Challenging such a strong opponent would be already a good feat.
And Kaido in fact never knocked out Luffy in G5, if Loki can do it, it proves that Loki pose AP who are above Kaido one.
Hell he might even show a hakai feat who can surpass the one of Kaido&Big Mom together one!!
If Loki were walking around with that level of AP, he wouldn't be chained up right now.
Listen, Loki doesn’t surpass Kaidou’s Flame Torch, man; get used to that reality.
