Controversial The story shouldn't be named One Piece.

What is the worst character ?

  • White Beard

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Shanks

    Votes: 18 41.9%
  • Roger

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Robin

    Votes: 6 14.0%
  • Joy Boy

    Votes: 16 37.2%

  • Total voters
    43
lol chill
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So what’s the disagreement
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Hi!

I've read all of your threads instead of sleeping... and I noticed a few things..

I think I was wrong and you guyz were completely right all this time. So on first go... I want to say: I'm SOOOOORRRYY !

Anyway ! So I decided to do use your techniques and really analyze the story and I came up with a realization :

One Piece shouldn't be named "One Piece".

After all, this title is missleading. It's the story of Luffy, not the One Piece. Oda is ruining what we want to see when we read the manga, because what we want is the nature of the One Piece, but Oda constantly teases us mear wind. When there is no actual revelations in chapters about One Piece, why should it be called the "One Piece"?

Now.. They say that all the pirates are after the One Piece, but we only see a few ones and it's always the same perspective, it's so boring ! It's always about whitebeard or Shanks or Luffy.. but Oda doesn't care about little people... A WOMAN (Megumi Ishitani) had to step up and make the job for him with One Piece fan letter. And for the character that we see ? Oda thinks that one simple panel with them looking good at the camera is enough... What a way to sink the story!

The worse things is that we are in a fascist and authoritarian world but almost none of our main characters are affected by that ! Really, it pisses me off to see how little Oda cares about the relevancy of this setting. And what about Patriarchy ? Oda never touches on the subject ! It's like women are invizibilized and Oda only cares about men to appeal to his male readers ! It's like Oda never cared to show how intelligent and strong women are.

And another thing, One Piece talks about liberation but it's always KINGS that are put into places.. Like hello "democracy" ? I mean if you want to reproduce the system that created the world government, I wouldn't do it better ! Oda do not even think about the structures of power and domination... And capitalism ? Hello ?????

Oda ruined Zoro by making him care more about a promisse than his actual health ! And Sanji ? The guy was incapable of really accepting to chase his dream just because of a restaurant ! But worth ! He even questionned the capacities of his captain after the time skip after Oda showed us that they would all give their all for Luffy !

Really, Zoro and Sanji are the worth characters that Oda created, they have absolutely no value as Pirates ! Zoro is just a dumb guy with brute strenght, no deepness and Sanji is just a perv that needs to ask Robin for help to get out the hands of a fodder ! Oda ruined them by not giving them them proper fight. I mean we all know that the best way to make Sanji improve would be to fight a woman so why make him fight Big Mom ??? It should be him fighting her and not Kiddo and Unlawfull. Same for Kaido, Zoro is the first mate of Luffy, he shouldn't abandon him to Kaido, who we all know is stronger than Luffy !

Egghead is similar, it's once again a non strawhat story ! Kuma is irrelevant for the strawhats so why talk about him there ? Oda do not even care about his main characters anymore and focus on little people like Bonney and Kuma! Who cares about them ? They are no even interesting to begin with ! Give me more of Lucci ! And oh boi... Oda decided to kill Vegapunk.. but OMG he revived him and sent all the vegapunk to the sky... And Vegapunk ? The guy is a genius and he didn't even understand that by creating a character based on greed would backfire, ?? Nan mais allo quoi ? But the guy completely focused on Lilith ! Like it was her the problem.. Such a waste of character !

Now we are in Elbaf and what Oda does from the start ! A LEGO SPONSORSHIP !! I mean FFS, right ? We are in a fake world and right on the first chapter, Oda makes at least 42 mistakes in his drawings ! There is something wrong with him I tell you !

And Elbaf ? Zero originality. Elbaf should be like a dreams world with different realms floating all around. There should be vast references to the mythology of the northen countries, but what do we get ? Just a GIANT F TREE, some mountains and a big sword !

Really, this serie is ruined. And it's all Oda's fault ! You guys were right ! I was blind to your power analysis. I will now try to humble myself and really take a deep dive into better stories like Dragon Ball Z.

The One Piece is surely not even important for us so why even bother creating a story named "One Piece" ?

So Guys (because let's be honest, there are only guyz here) let's join together and create a better manga than One Piece ! That should be easy, right ? After all this story is trash everyweek, so there should be no problem and we are stronger united anyway !

And good news ! I started already !

Come join >>>> IN <<<<
Most based Logiko thread
 
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It's Democracy on Paper

20 kings are equal

All kings are equal in reverie and able to vote for a policy

That's why Vegapunk said neither side is bad

In practice however it become different
That is called oligarchy, not democracy.
(Representative) Democracy means that people get to vote for the people who represent them and their interests. OP people don't vote shit. Even at the Reverie, Kings are there becuase of their birthright and even more: there are 170 countries in the WG, but only 50 decide for all of them and only once every four years.
It's like having two artistocrats deciding the destiny of a farmer that is not even based in their lands. That's not even faux democracy; It's oligarchy, which is another from of Government techincally.

And not just that: the Reverie, which Is not democracy anyway, is only a side power. The real power is (officially) in the hands of another class of people that rule the world because of their birthrights, the CDs.
It's, in fact, another, bigger and even more strict oligarchy.

Vegapunk said what he said because inside the WG there are good people anyway and the WG himslef did good things too; not becuase it is in any way democratic.
Oda doesn't care about that at all. In fact, he has no problem (in OP) with the Monarchy as a form of Goverment.
 
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The kings are equal but they do not decide anything other than common things. The real ruler officially are the Gorosai who have authority on the kings.

All kings can vote, but this vote is like an assemblee ruling a law. The real power stands in the hands of the real rulers : Gorosai and on top of them, Imu.
And Kings being equal =/ democracy.
Two artistocrats deciding on equal terms the destiny of a farmer that didn't vote for any of them is not democracy in any shape or form.

Not to mention, just 50 Kingdoms out of all the 170 countries decide, all the others have to budge and follow what the King of other Kingdoms have decided.
 
I've reached my limit with you, man, I'm just gonna put you on ignore from here on.
Your ego mixed with your lack of basic reading comprehension has proven to be too annoying for me.
Stay safe man, don't do anything I wouldn't do, and enjoy the rest of your day.
She's French, self admitted mental issues, a furry and an egomaniac.
Plenty to deal with.
 
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Because Logiko is an egomaniac and we're really tired of it.
The dude needs to be banned, being on this forum clearly isn't healthy for them.
I like their threads
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She is my queen, best character, top 4, probably top 1. Her moments are peak, her fights are amazing, she doesn’t really have bad moments, and her character is well done, she needs more fights tho
Same deal with Boa Hancock
 
Monarchy isn’t bad I think Oda isn’t that pro democracy as you think
I hope Oda Is doing this only for "fantasy purposes".
OP Is (somewhat) of an old era world and so that means monarchies. Maybe he doesn't like to go into deep tought about manarchies being bad as a concept.

But yeah, in OP Monarchy itslef Is not a bad thing for the story. In fact, the mugi spent 2/3 of the manga in restoring monarchies that were overthrown.
 
Oda doesn't care about that at all. In fact, he has no problem (in OP) with the Monarchy as a form of Goverment.
Which is logical, Japan is still a monarchy after all. Although some of the One Piece ruler's are placed under the will of the people and all of them with their approval:
- Iceberg
- Dolton
- Ganfall
- Carrot

Thoughts on Boa Hancock? Has Oda squandered her character? @Logiko
Boa is such a badly written character.. instead protecting her Island against the foly of men, she falls in love with the first one who saw her naked... Really not good.


She's French, self admitted mental issues, a furry and an egomaniac.
Me furry ? Nahh I hate hairs




Monarchy isn’t bad I think Oda isn’t that pro democracy as you think
Monarchy is bad by essence. It's a structure that pushes the power and priviledges under the hands of one person or a very few without the possibility for the people to have them be accountable without a revolution. Monarchy are not okay..

Now.. it's so easy to become a democracy... I don't see why all countries in One Piece can't become instant democracies...


Because Logiko is an egomaniac and we're really tired of it.
Well, that's not totally wrong
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The dude needs to be banned, being on this forum clearly isn't healthy for them.
I guess you didn't like the fact that I trashed One Piece ? Give me counter argument... i'm sure there are plenty !

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I hope Oda Is doing this only for "fantasy purposes".
In the world where the world is ruled by a fascist military power and an authoritarian emperor and 20 all immensly powerfull kings where the each citizen have to pays tribute to the WGov unless they want to die... really, it would be so easy to create a democracy !

Oda is really wasting a potential here...

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Respectfully this place is probably not for you if rampant negative is bothering you this badly.
Don't worry ! I saw the light !

 

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The kings are equal but they do not decide anything other than common things. The real ruler officially are the Gorosai who have authority on the kings.

All kings can vote, but this vote is like an assemblee ruling a law. The real power stands in the hands of the real rulers : Gorosai and on top of them, Imu.
Just like democracy
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That is called oligarchy, not democracy.
(Representative) Democracy means that people get to vote for the people who represent them and their interests. OP people don't vote shit. Even at the Reverie, Kings are there becuase of their birthright and even more: there are 170 countries in the WG, but only 50 decide for all of them and only once every four years.
It's like having two artistocrats deciding the destiny of a farmer that is not even based in their lands. That's not even faux democracy; It's oligarchy, which is another from of Government techincally.
Oligarchy born out of democracy

You just described veto power and how UNs works
 
Which is logical, Japan is still a monarchy after all. Although some of the One Piece ruler's are placed under the will of the people and all of them with their approval:
- Iceberg
- Dolton
- Ganfall
- Carrot
This would be a long discussion, but even elective Monarchy/Totalitarism is not democracy. Monarchy means a person (usually by birthright) that holds powers over his subjects and above the laws too. Hitler was voted, Mussolini was voted; still, even before they cancelled the elections, was the power they holded that made them dictators and not just rulers.
The Pope Is techincally and absolute Monarch: he is elected.

Constitutional Monarchy, on the other hand, if people vote and the kings has basically no real power, could be an example of democracy. Japan Is such an example.

In OP almost all are absolute monarchies governed by families that are there for birthright. Some are elective, but still monarchies.

In the world where the world is ruled by a fascist military power and an authoritarian emperor and 20 all immensly powerfull kings where the each citizen have to pays tribute to the WGov unless they want to die... really, it would be so easy to create a democracy !

Oda is really wasting a potential here...

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Again, no one Is saying It's easy. We are saying that in OP (absolute) manarchies are not seen as bad.

For my part, I think he Is Indeed wasting potential, not to mention I don't agree at all with the message

But as I said, Tolkien Is just the same and I can like his work still while not liking thai concept.
 
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