Powers & Abilities Sanjis exoskeleton is only fair.

[BattalGazi]

I think for Sanji to complete the Mythical Zoan of Luffy and Zoros 2 meito and one cursed blade, it is only fair for him to have something like exoskeleton, now let me explain.

Lets compare to Zoros swords and Sanjis exoskeleton first. Enma which is one of the great 21 swords and it has Odens soul, lets also don't forget Enma lets Zoro to use immense amounts of haki compared to Luffy's gear 4. Of course that amount of of haki usage can kill Zoro but it also lets him grow stronger for a limited amount of time. Wado ichimonji is also a sacred blade that is compared with Enma it is in the same legue with is without cused blade mechanism.

Wado was crafted by Kozaburo for Kuina so we can't expect from it to fall behind Enma which was also crafted by Kozaburo. Lets also not forget Wado didn't break against Mihawks attack and let me say this if Mihawk did the same attack to Sanjis exoskeleton he would have cut him undoubtedly unlike Queen who broke his cheap sword.

Sandai Kitetsu though it may be weak compared to others it a cursed blade that is crafted by Wonos shogun who can craft swords as good as Enma or Wado. Sandai may also be the sharpest sword Zoro has.

Now lets come to Luffys mythical zon fruit, in the past people always said Sanji is weak because Luffy only has gomugomu nomi but it turned out it was a deity DF that fought with the worlds current ruler. Sanji always needed to do better cause gomu was just a weak paramecia but it turned out it wasn't.

Luffy DF gives him ablity to stretch and bend reality also gigantification, with density of rubber like body Luffy can hit steel like punches when he uses armament hardening. Lets also not mention superhuman speed when he used gear 2 which he seems to be able to use easily now with his bodys flexibility.

Luffys Nika awakening also gives him looney toons like cartoonish powers and even Kaidous mythical Dragon DF can't beat. Though Kaido wasn't awakened he was much older and experienced haki user.

Luffys DF also lets him tank immense amount of damage and taking punishment.

Anyway what i wanted to say is even with exoskeleton Sanji is still the underdog.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

So the actual post isn't about Lanji? Sad.
He needs all the help he can get to move away from Franky level, that new raid suit can't come soon enough, imagine the exoskeleton+RS and that shield thing that his cape had, that might be around BM level of defense.

 

[BattalGazi]

So the actual post isn't about Lanji? Sad.
He needs all the help he can get to move away from Franky level, that new raid suit can't come soon enough, imagine the exoskeleton+RS and that shield thing that his cape had, that might be around BM level of defense.

But perfect defense is not always a good thing since getting beaten up also raises your endurance, just look at Ace because he got too used to not getting injured (logia defense) when Blackbeard was able to hit him it was over for Ace.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Zoro is a Swordsman, his weapon is swords, it's normal for it to be upgraded & improved.

Sanji is a martial artist, his weapon is his body, it's normal for it to be upgraded & improved.

Zoro's goal is the strongest swordsman, it's fair if the powerup is making his sword stronger.

Sanji's goal is All Blue, it's fair if the powerup is making his body able to withstand All Blue's depth.

 

[Logiko]

I think for Sanji to complete the Mythical Zoan of Luffy and Zoros 2 meito and one cursed blade, it is only fair for him to have something like exoskeleton, now let me explain.

Lets compare to Zoros swords and Sanjis exoskeleton first. Enma which is one of the great 21 swords and it has Odens soul, lets also don't forget Enma lets Zoro to use immense amounts of haki compared to Luffy's gear 4. Of course that amount of of haki usage can kill Zoro but it also lets him grow stronger for a limited amount of time. Wado ichimonji is also a sacred blade that is compared with Enma it is in the same legue with is without cused blade mechanism.

Wado was crafted by Kozaburo for Kuina so we can't expect from it to fall behind Enma which was also crafted by Kozaburo. Lets also not forget Wado didn't break against Mihawks attack and let me say this if Mihawk did the same attack to Sanjis exoskeleton he would have cut him undoubtedly unlike Queen who broke his cheap sword.

Sandai Kitetsu though it may be weak compared to others it a cursed blade that is crafted by Wonos shogun who can craft swords as good as Enma or Wado. Sandai may also be the sharpest sword Zoro has.

Now lets come to Luffys mythical zon fruit, in the past people always said Sanji is weak because Luffy only has gomugomu nomi but it turned out it was a deity DF that fought with the worlds current ruler. Sanji always needed to do better cause gomu was just a weak paramecia but it turned out it wasn't.

Luffy DF gives him ablity to stretch and bend reality also gigantification, with density of rubber like body Luffy can hit steel like punches when he uses armament hardening. Lets also not mention superhuman speed when he used gear 2 which he seems to be able to use easily now with his bodys flexibility.

Luffys Nika awakening also gives him looney toons like cartoonish powers and even Kaidous mythical Dragon DF can't beat. Though Kaido wasn't awakened he was much older and experienced haki user.

Luffys DF also lets him tank immense amount of damage and taking punishment.

Anyway what i wanted to say is even with exoskeleton Sanji is still the underdog.

Of course it's fair.

The guy was beaten up, harrassed, laughed at, traumatized, locked up and ejected just because he was not strong enough and a kind and emotionnal kid. Him showing them that he can be kind AND strong as the same time and therefore showing them all just how petty they are is only fair.

 

[BattalGazi]

Zoro is a Swordsman, his weapon is swords, it's normal for it to be upgraded & improved.

Sanji is a martial artist, his weapon is his body, it's normal for it to be upgraded & improved.

Zoro's goal is the strongest swordsman, it's fair if the powerup is making his sword stronger.

Sanji's goal is All Blue, it's fair if the powerup is making his body able to withstand All Blue's depth.

What kind of logic is that, so if Zoro was a soldier it would be fair for him to get bazooka or greanades. Human body and steel swords are different have you even fought with a guy who had a knife.

 

[nik87]

I will sum it up better for you.
Sanji's abilities are there for him to compete with his opponents, not with Luffy or Zoro. The same goes for Luffy and Zoro.
And you know who Sanji's opponents are?

In short, Zoro was given haki like no one else, in order to compete with ultimate hakiman - Mihawk.
Luffy was given a DF to compete with ultimate DF merchant - Blackbeard.
Sanji was given exoskeleton in order to withstand the insane heat he needs to reach in order to compete with absolute zero - Kuzan.

So the actual post isn't about Lanji? Sad.

I thought the same, lol. I was like where is the Sanji part...

 

[langitbarat]

Worstgen's hidden rule is to use every post to trash Sanji, no matter how/what the post is about, no matter how disconnected he is to the post.

 

[BattalGazi]

I will sum it up better for you.
Sanji's abilities are there for him to compete with his opponents, not with Luffy or Zoro. The same goes for Luffy and Zoro.
And you know who Sanji's opponents are?

In short, Zoro was given haki like no one else, in order to compete with ultimate hakiman - Mihawk.
Luffy was given a DF to compete with ultimate DF merchant - Blackbeard.
Sanji was given exoskeleton in order to withstand the insane heat he needs to reach in order to compete with absolute zero - Kuzan.


I thought the same, lol. I was like where is the Sanji part...

You are a pretty good person if you think Kuzan will be Sanjis opponent, sry i misunderstood you.

 

[nik87]

You are a pretty good person if you think Kuzan will be Sanjis opponent, sry i misunderstood you.

Yes, I am the biggest supporter of Sanji vs Kuzan out there.

 

[BattalGazi]

Yes, I am the biggest supporter of Sanji vs Kuzan out there.

Well it makes sense, Zoro fans are insecure about Shiryuus power so they are ignoring facts.

 

[nik87]

Well it makes sense, Zoro fans are insecure about Shiryuus power so they are ignoring facts.

Which facts are they ignoring?

 

[BattalGazi]

Which facts are they ignoring?

You can watch this video.

 

[Logiko]

Which facts are they ignoring?

This fact:

 

[nik87]

You can watch this video.

Sanjibros should watch that instead of Zoro fans, they are the ones who doubt that fight more than anyone else.
Surely, Zorobros are insecure about it too but that shouldn't stop Sanjibros from supporting that match-up.
I personally would love Sanji vs Kuzan, it is his perfect match-up and the most delivering fight Sanji will ever have.

This fact:

You owe me 2 minutes of my life.

 

[Logiko]

You owe me 2 minutes of my life.

You want more ?

 

[BattalGazi]

Sanjibros should watch that instead of Zoro fans, they are the ones who doubt that fight more than anyone else.
Surely, Zorobros are insecure about it too but that shouldn't stop Sanjibros from supporting that match-up.
I personally would love Sanji vs Kuzan, it is his perfect match-up and the most delivering fight Sanji will ever have.

Most Sanji was were beaten up to insecurity by Zoro fans so they believe Zoro fans will mock them if that happens, which is kind of sad.
Personally i never felt Sanji was inferior to Zoro, though i admit Zoro is a little better but this kind of like difference between Ace vs Sabo.

 

[Kiri]

I get what you're tryna say with this post, but lets break it down:

1. The first point is, cursed swords aren't actually cursed, we learnt this in Wano. They're just strong blades that previous users failed to tame, and so came about this myth of the swords being cursed when in actuality they just tested their users, and they failed the test. It's like when Enma tested Zoro, Zoro could have died from the haki drain.

2. These aren't exactly tools that carried Zoro because he had to learn how to use them. Oda obviously didn't want sanji to be carried by the raidsuit (which is superficial) , so he made it so that it led to the awakening of Sanjis latent abilities that he already had by birth. the exo is literally in his genetics. He just awakened it later in life. Maybe you can argue he had to earn this ability by learning to fight and get stronger without it, so that when it finally kicked in he is much stronger now.

But still, it's not gonna stop people from saying sanji is carried by his genetics from being experimented on. Whereas Zoro didn't get any of that, he traded shusui (which he earned) for enma, and enma tested Zoro's claim to it's ownership.

3. The problem here is, sanji might have been an underdog when compared to his siblings, so he had to get strong a different way. But now he's just like his siblings, even if he wants nothing to do with germa, he can't change what he is so he just has to embrace it. But people may have a problem with this kind of writing, because what used to distinguish Sanji from his siblings is disappearing since he got the same powers now.

4. Sanji fans thought because he got these germa powers he might start to become evil like his siblings, and become uncaring or whatever, and had to control it, but Oda hasn't even gone down this route, so there isn't even a setback to the exo like there is for using enma. (Because using Enma inherently risks your life and you have to train to get control over it).

This is why people will say sanji is carried, how can you still be an "underdog" when you're practically a cyborg now. Even sanji haters expect him to reach admiral+ level easily because of these abilities.

If I was playing devils advocate I might say "well sanji had to train his armament to be able to use ifrit" which is true, but look at the way oda did it. Sanji didn't have to WORK on his armament during Wano, Oda literally just told us that because sanji had ALREADY worked on his armament, he can use ifrit even though he JUST unlocked it.

This feels very lazy, when you compare it to the training luffy did in the prison, and the way Enma tested Zoro. Sanji didn't have to actively train like them because according to Oda the necessary training was already done, it just feels cheap when compare to Zoro and Luffy.

So he didn't have to struggle that much. What would have been cool is if IFRIT initially was hurting sanji and burning him, and he had to STRENGTHEN his will throughout the fight with queen and get a HAKI BLOOM, so he could ADAPT to ifrit. That would have been much more interesting and make it seem like he had to work towards earning ifrit.

But now it seems like Oda is just willing to make shortcuts for Sanji, and not put as much screen-time for this kind of thing, which cheapens the whole thing.

And by the way, even G5 has a setback right now, and luffy would get mid diffed by admirals because he can't even finish them off before G5 runs out. They would kill him while he's defenceless after G5.

 

[BattalGazi]

I get what you're tryna say with this post, but lets break it down:

1. The first point is, cursed swords aren't actually cursed, we learnt this in Wano. They're just strong blades that previous users failed to tame, and so came about this myth of the swords being cursed when in actuality they just tested their users, and they failed the test. It's like when Enma tested Zoro, Zoro could have died from the haki drain.

2. These aren't exactly tools that carried Zoro because he had to learn how to use them. Oda obviously didn't want sanji to be carried by the raidsuit (which is superficial) , so he made it so that it led to the awakening of Sanjis latent abilities that he already had by birth. the exo is literally in his genetics. He just awakened it later in life. Maybe you can argue he had to earn this ability by learning to fight and get stronger without it, so that when it finally kicked in he is much stronger now.

But still, it's not gonna stop people from saying sanji is carried by his genetics from being experimented on. Whereas Zoro didn't get any of that, he traded shusui (which he earned) for enma, and enma tested Zoro's claim to it's ownership.

3. The problem here is, sanji might have been an underdog when compared to his siblings, so he had to get strong a different way. But now he's just like his siblings, even if he wants nothing to do with germa, he can't change what he is so he just has to embrace it. But people may have a problem with this kind of writing, because what used to distinguish Sanji from his siblings is disappearing since he got the same powers now.

4. Sanji fans thought because he got these germa powers he might start to become evil like his siblings, and become uncaring or whatever, and had to control it, but Oda hasn't even gone down this route, so there isn't even a setback to the exo like there is for using enma. (Because using Enma inherently risks your life and you have to train to get control over it).

This is why people will say sanji is carried, how can you still be an "underdog" when you're practically a cyborg now. Even sanji haters expect him to reach admiral+ level easily because of these abilities.

If I was playing devils advocate I might say "well sanji had to train his armament to be able to use ifrit" which is true, but look at the way oda did it. Sanji didn't have to WORK on his armament during Wano, Oda literally just told us that because sanji had ALREADY worked on his armament, he can use ifrit even though he JUST unlocked it.

This feels very lazy, when you compare it to the training luffy did in the prison, and the way Enma tested Zoro. Sanji didn't have to actively train like them because according to Oda the necessary training was already done, it just feels cheap when compare to Zoro and Luffy.

So he didn't have to struggle that much. What would have been cool is if IFRIT initially was hurting sanji and burning him, and he had to STRENGTHEN his will throughout the fight with queen and get a HAKI BLOOM, so he could ADAPT to ifrit. That would have been much more interesting and make it seem like he had to work towards earning ifrit.

But now it seems like Oda is just willing to make shortcuts for Sanji, and not put as much screen-time for this kind of thing, which cheapens the whole thing.

And by the way, even G5 has a setback right now, and luffy would get mid diffed by admirals because he can't even finish them off before G5 runs out. They would kill him while he's defenceless after G5.

1- That doesn't change cursed blades are great haki weapons, yes Zoro could have died from haki drain but he also got a great power boost which he normally can't use.
2- Zoro is also carried by Ryumas genetics he can't dwny his origins, genetics is part of you and you can do nothing about it. Also Zoros swords are not inferior when it compared to exoskeleton of Sanji, actually i can say Zoros swords are superior to Sans exoskeleton.
3- Sanji is not same with his siblings cause he has emotions and that is the whole point of it, Sanjis mother wasn't against her children be strong but she didn't wanted them to be emotionless. Difference between Sanji and his brothers are Sanji is still strong even without exoskeleton and raid suit his brothers are not.
4- Yes Sanji didn't become evil and overcome it and power up may seem undeserved but so does Zoros swords and Luffys DF. What did Luffy do to get Nika fruit or what did Zoro did to get Wado and Sandai.

Sanjis exoskeleton is still a new weapon and can have drawback we don't know about so it is too soon to judge that. Maybe Sanji will use a mode that has drawback, remember Nika fruit didn't have any drawbacks till Luffy started to use gears so your comparison it with Zoros swords is just wrong.

Oda shows us Sanjis training but you guys just don't look at it, just try to find instances where Sanjis legs spin like whirlwind that is how he trains. Sanji is using way of Kings he trains but no one notices since he also needs to cook, you think someone can be strong as Sanji without training at all. Yes Oda doesn't show Sanji training but that is not because he doesn't, it is just Sanji is just low key.

Now lets come Sanji training ifrit jambe with haki, where do you know he didn't. Since Sanji already knew he can use stronger flames of course he tried it before. You say he didn't earn it but when Zoro got Shusui he instantly got stronger and durable so did he earned that, you may say he earned that from beating Zombie Ryuma but Sanji also saved his family in an whole arc so you can't say it is not earn while he nerfed himself by destroying the raid suit.

As you see your whole claims are baseless.

 

[Kiri]

1- That doesn't change cursed blades are great haki weapons, yes Zoro could have died from haki drain but he also got a great power boost which he normally can't use.
2- Zoro is also carried by Ryumas genetics he can't dwny his origins, genetics is part of you and you can do nothing about it. Also Zoros swords are not inferior when it compared to exoskeleton of Sanji, actually i can say Zoros swords are superior to Sans exoskeleton.
3- Sanji is not same with his siblings cause he has emotions and that is the whole point of it, Sanjis mother wasn't against her children be strong but she didn't wanted them to be emotionless. Difference between Sanji and his brothers are Sanji is still strong even without exoskeleton and raid suit his brothers are not.
4- Yes Sanji didn't become evil and overcome it and power up may seem undeserved but so does Zoros swords and Luffys DF. What did Luffy do to get Nika fruit or what did Zoro did to get Wado and Sandai.

Sanjis exoskeleton is still a new weapon and can have drawback we don't know about so it is too soon to judge that. Maybe Sanji will use a mode that has drawback, remember Nika fruit didn't have any drawbacks till Luffy started to use gears so your comparison it with Zoros swords is just wrong.

Oda shows us Sanjis training but you guys just don't look at it, just try to find instances where Sanjis legs spin like whirlwind that is how he trains. Sanji is using way of Kings he trains but no one notices since he also needs to cook, you think someone can be strong as Sanji without training at all. Yes Oda doesn't show Sanji training but that is not because he doesn't, it is just Sanji is just low key.

Now lets come Sanji training ifrit jambe with haki, where do you know he didn't. Since Sanji already knew he can use stronger flames of course he tried it before. You say he didn't earn it but when Zoro got Shusui he instantly got stronger and durable so did he earned that, you may say he earned that from beating Zombie Ryuma but Sanji also saved his family in an whole arc so you can't say it is not earn while he nerfed himself by destroying the raid suit.

As you see your whole claims are baseless.

1. On Cursed Blades and Haki Boosts: While cursed blades provide power, the risks associated with their haki drain are significant. Zoro’s mastery over these swords doesn’t solely rely on the blade’s inherent abilities; it’s a testament to his own haki control and resilience. While he benefits from the boost they provide, he’s also put in constant jeopardy, demanding significant skill to control rather than depend solely on the sword for power.
2. Genetics vs. Skill Development: While Ryuma's genetics may play a minor role in Zoro's natural talent, his mastery is built through years of rigorous training and sheer willpower. Zoro’s journey to become a swordsman has relied on personal development, discipline, and enduring hardships rather than simply inheritance. Meanwhile, Sanji’s exoskeleton, as a technological enhancement, acts as a physical advantage granted by science rather than skill. Zoro's use of cursed blades and his skill with them is less about inheritance and more about choice and mastery.
3. Sanji and His Brothers’ Emotions and Strength: Sanji is certainly unique among his siblings because of his emotions, adding layers to his character and strength. However, emotions alone do not account for his abilities in combat. The strength Sanji developed is partly rooted in his own rigorous training and partly in the technology he inherited, like the exoskeleton. Zoro’s strength, however, stems from a purely human development arc with no technological aid, setting a different standard for their accomplishments.
4. On “Deserving” Power-ups: Zoro and Luffy’s power-ups, like the acquisition of new swords or the Nika fruit, have been integrated as tools rather than shortcuts to power. Zoro has earned his swords by proving his worth as a swordsman, and Luffy’s fruit led to many sacrifices and intense training. In contrast, Sanji’s exoskeleton was a latent part of his biology that activated without similar trials. Each character’s power-ups should be assessed on their individual journeys and challenges rather than as uniform measures of effort.
5. Sanji’s Exoskeleton as a “New Weapon” and Potential Drawbacks: While the exoskeleton may have undiscovered drawbacks, Sanji’s abilities have not yet shown comparable risks to Zoro’s cursed blades. The cursed blades actively test Zoro’s haki control and pose a potential fatal risk, whereas Sanji’s exoskeleton functions without these immediate consequences. Until there is a demonstrated drawback, Zoro’s risk in wielding cursed blades remains a unique challenge.
6. Training and Character Development: While it’s true that Sanji’s training isn’t as overtly shown, his achievements in combat demonstrate his dedication. However, Zoro’s training has been more visibly grueling, especially under Mihawk, showing the physical and mental rigor involved in reaching his current level. While Sanji is multi-talented as both a chef and fighter, the portrayal of Zoro’s training has been clearer, helping audiences more easily attribute his growth to consistent hard work and discipline rather than solely latent potential.
7. Sanji’s Ifrit Jambe and the Earned Power Debate: Sanji’s achievements, such as developing Ifrit Jambe, showcase his unique skill set. However, the power boost Zoro received from defeating Ryuma and earning Shusui was a reward for his victory and mastery in combat. Sanji’s decision to destroy his raid suit shows his preference to rely on self-earned power, and that’s commendable. However, Zoro's power-ups are framed more directly as earned through conquest rather than self-discovery, setting a different tone for their respective achievements.