Powers & Abilities Considering Shanks' mastery of divine departure
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Let's apply simple logic
Option 1: Divine Departure is an adv CoC attack
This means Shanks mastered adv CoC at the age of what, 15?
Conclusion 1: No DF brat Teach negged adv CoC special royal celestial dragon Shanks.
Conclusion 2: While we don't know Mihawk's level when he first clashed with Shanks, what we know is that he negged adv CoC user Shanks nonetheless. Even in such a crucial way, he got named WSS in the times after. Indicating a solid victory.
Teach hype ✔️
Mihawk hype ✔️
Option 2: Divine Departure is not an adv CoC attack
This means Divine Departure is clearly and undoubtedly a regular fucking sword swing. Ultimately destroying Hakiman theorists' ideological dreams of categorically separating the feat from Mihawk's specialty, swordsmanship.
Conclusion 1: 'Divine Departure is a blunt haki attack' and Hakiman theory fully and absolutely in the mud. Shanks’s signature move being < Mihawk by definition, ultimately settling the discussions of who's superior.
Conclusion 2: Teach just beat a promising young swordsman, nothing special.
No hype for Teach
Mihawk hype ✔️
What changes? Nothing.
Mihawk reigns supreme
Option 1: Divine Departure is an adv CoC attack
This means Shanks mastered adv CoC at the age of what, 15?
Conclusion 1: No DF brat Teach negged adv CoC special royal celestial dragon Shanks.
Conclusion 2: While we don't know Mihawk's level when he first clashed with Shanks, what we know is that he negged adv CoC user Shanks nonetheless. Even in such a crucial way, he got named WSS in the times after. Indicating a solid victory.
Teach hype ✔️
Mihawk hype ✔️
Option 2: Divine Departure is not an adv CoC attack
This means Divine Departure is clearly and undoubtedly a regular fucking sword swing. Ultimately destroying Hakiman theorists' ideological dreams of categorically separating the feat from Mihawk's specialty, swordsmanship.
Conclusion 1: 'Divine Departure is a blunt haki attack' and Hakiman theory fully and absolutely in the mud. Shanks’s signature move being < Mihawk by definition, ultimately settling the discussions of who's superior.
Conclusion 2: Teach just beat a promising young swordsman, nothing special.
No hype for Teach
Mihawk hype ✔️
What changes? Nothing.
Mihawk reigns supreme
And the 2 Kamusari attack are different, it was to demonstrate to the readers the distinction between AdCoA and AdCoC which everyone failed to comprehend once more..
He never beat shanks. We know that for a fact. That's why Shanks asks him "did you come here to settle the score?" when mohawk was being a good errand boy and brought the goofy bounty to shanks. Like, that just completely obliterates any retarded notions of mohawk beating shanks at all.
Don't ask me how mohawk became wss. Ask oda. This dude hasn't even defeated ANY significant/strong/relevant swordsmen that we know of at all.
Vista? mohawk met him for the first time in Marine Ford.
Fuji? Nope
GB? Nope
Ray? Nope
Shiryu? Nope
Who did this guy even beat?
Did the people just start to call him the wss after shanks lost his hand? They assume he beat shanks? Lol
Don't ask me how mohawk became wss. Ask oda. This dude hasn't even defeated ANY significant/strong/relevant swordsmen that we know of at all.
Vista? mohawk met him for the first time in Marine Ford.
Fuji? Nope
GB? Nope
Ray? Nope
Shiryu? Nope
Who did this guy even beat?
Did the people just start to call him the wss after shanks lost his hand? They assume he beat shanks? Lol
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Funny how you all cry when sanji fans take zoro feats and yet you all steal the hype, feats etc Shanks receive.
I wonder why oda never hypes Mihawk directly, what a patethic fraud.
Too much, his crew was scared of cp9
Yes Mihawk is looking forward someone stronger than shanks of 12 years ago, the one who never got a scar from Mihawk but from fruitless Teach and who had the crew scared for cp9.
And got a 1 billion fraudulent bounty
I wonder why oda never hypes Mihawk directly, what a patethic fraud.
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Too much, his crew was scared of cp9
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Yes Mihawk is looking forward someone stronger than shanks of 12 years ago, the one who never got a scar from Mihawk but from fruitless Teach and who had the crew scared for cp9.
And got a 1 billion fraudulent bounty
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Mihawk is hyped as being the world's strongest swordsman
To the point he wasn't even expected to care about the greatest war in recent history
Whitebeard commented that his and Shanks' duels were a part of legend and these duels were considered world wide events that also gave Shanks the push to become Yonko
He was the only person acknowledged by Luffy to be someone he won't fight
A top Yonko commander of the world's strongest pirate was honored Mihawk even knew his name
His and Crocodile's names together are enough to form a Yonko crew
Plenty of hype, you are just not paying attention.
To the point he wasn't even expected to care about the greatest war in recent history
Whitebeard commented that his and Shanks' duels were a part of legend and these duels were considered world wide events that also gave Shanks the push to become Yonko
He was the only person acknowledged by Luffy to be someone he won't fight
A top Yonko commander of the world's strongest pirate was honored Mihawk even knew his name
His and Crocodile's names together are enough to form a Yonko crew
Plenty of hype, you are just not paying attention.
in different translations, shanks asked mihawk if he came to challenge him to a fight.
but also good that you forget the part where mihawk trashtalks shanks right in his face
and your arguments are on noodle level reasoning. oda not giving any panel time to mihawk and/or his past doesnt mean anything at all.
but also good that you forget the part where mihawk trashtalks shanks right in his face
and your arguments are on noodle level reasoning. oda not giving any panel time to mihawk and/or his past doesnt mean anything at all.
Using a mistranslation lol.
Here is the officials bozo :
Oh so he became that by defeating nobody relevant, and losing to his rival at the time with which he had "legendary" duels? Makes complete sense dude...
Why would the Strongest seek out a YC3 for a fight are you crazy? When there is a world champion, challengers should come to him like Zoro did, not the other way around. Mihawk already did that when he was young and finished the game. And as he said to Zoro that he will wait for him at the very top. His vivre card also said that he fought everybody worthy at the time until there was no worthy challenge left. We also know that he even chased Marines at the time.
Everyone worthy as per the above.
Here is the officials bozo :
Oh so he became that by defeating nobody relevant, and losing to his rival at the time with which he had "legendary" duels? Makes complete sense dude...
Why would the Strongest seek out a YC3 for a fight are you crazy? When there is a world champion, challengers should come to him like Zoro did, not the other way around. Mihawk already did that when he was young and finished the game. And as he said to Zoro that he will wait for him at the very top. His vivre card also said that he fought everybody worthy at the time until there was no worthy challenge left. We also know that he even chased Marines at the time.
Everyone worthy as per the above.
And?
Why would shanks ask that if the last time they fought, mohawk beat him?
He never beat shanks lol
Cause shanks is chill. And it wasn't trashtalk lol. It was yet another ducking of a potential fight.
Yeah i don't doubt oda will invent a new character for the mohawk backstory that he beat to get the wss. But the problem is, that hypothetical character should be well known in the present time. But he's not. Meaning that character had no relevance and was invented solely to justify mohawk's title. Which is just pathetic lol. If oda really cared about wss, he woulda shown more mohawk feats instead.
This changes nothing clown. look at my first quote.
Yeah? Unless we know anyone significant he beat, that's what were lead to assume?
He lost his rival cause his rival's arm was bitten off by Lor D Coast lmao.
Not because he beat shanks clown.
Mohawk wasn't the strongest swordsman 12 years ago dumbass. And strong swordsmen like Vista, Fuji etc were all still around at that time. Yet this guy who's supposed to be the wss, never even met them? Yeah that calls into question the validity of his title.
Mohawk didn't say shit about him being yooung when he became the wss lol. Making shit up.
"everybody worthy" yet he never fought vista, who he literally hyped up in mf, fuji who is a whole ass admiral, and GB who literally has a kokuto?
Who were the worthy people lmao.
Who?
Fraudulent opponents for the fraudulent title
Why would shanks ask that if the last time they fought, mohawk beat him?
He never beat shanks lol
Cause shanks is chill. And it wasn't trashtalk lol. It was yet another ducking of a potential fight.
Yeah i don't doubt oda will invent a new character for the mohawk backstory that he beat to get the wss. But the problem is, that hypothetical character should be well known in the present time. But he's not. Meaning that character had no relevance and was invented solely to justify mohawk's title. Which is just pathetic lol. If oda really cared about wss, he woulda shown more mohawk feats instead.
Using a mistranslation lol.
Here is the officials bozo :
Here is the officials bozo :
Yeah? Unless we know anyone significant he beat, that's what were lead to assume?
He lost his rival cause his rival's arm was bitten off by Lor D Coast lmao.
Not because he beat shanks clown.
Mohawk wasn't the strongest swordsman 12 years ago dumbass. And strong swordsmen like Vista, Fuji etc were all still around at that time. Yet this guy who's supposed to be the wss, never even met them? Yeah that calls into question the validity of his title.
Mohawk didn't say shit about him being yooung when he became the wss lol. Making shit up.
"everybody worthy" yet he never fought vista, who he literally hyped up in mf, fuji who is a whole ass admiral, and GB who literally has a kokuto?
Who were the worthy people lmao.
Who?
Fraudulent opponents for the fraudulent title
These type of post are the entire problem when it comes to Mihawk. Too many people would rather post headcannon instead of relying on manga facts.
There's no "settling things." Shanks wanted to know if Mihawk was there to fight and Mihawk told him he's no longer interested in fighting Shanks because he lost the arm.
Even if you refuse to go by the manga official translation "settle the score" could mean anything.
It could mean the last time they fought Mihawk was leading in wins and he told Shanks the next time they meet he would give Shanks the opportunity to see if Shanks is back on his level by tying a score.
Just because somebody's well known or powerful doesn't mean their name is going to be brought up in a random conversation.
What you should be asking is why Mihawk doesn't Shanks a worthy opponent even though he's a Yonko, have power haki, can perform Roger level sword attacks, and it's looking for a swordsman stronger than Shanks. It's probably because of the answer, Shanks isn't strong enough to provide Mihawk a worthy challeng.
Oda tells us Mihawk became the world's strongest swordsman. He traveled the world and faced strong opponents until there were no more worthy challenges.
Just because we don't know everybody Mihawk faced because it hasn't been revealed yet doesn't mean he didn't face any strong opponents.
I guess you don't realize it but it's normal for people in a competition to not face every competitor in the competition. Why would Mihawk need to beat Vista if he's beat people stronger in a Vista? He wouldn't.
Mihawk is the only one with a world's strongest title who achieved his title by actually fighting and beating others in battle. Kaido obtained his title because people thought he was a creature who couldn't be killed. While WB obtained his title because he had the power to destroy the world. Yet somehow Mihawk's title is the only one questioned the most by fans even though nobody in the manga has ever questioned his title or stated he's a fraud.
There's no "settling things." Shanks wanted to know if Mihawk was there to fight and Mihawk told him he's no longer interested in fighting Shanks because he lost the arm.
Even if you refuse to go by the manga official translation "settle the score" could mean anything.
It could mean the last time they fought Mihawk was leading in wins and he told Shanks the next time they meet he would give Shanks the opportunity to see if Shanks is back on his level by tying a score.
Just because somebody's well known or powerful doesn't mean their name is going to be brought up in a random conversation.
What you should be asking is why Mihawk doesn't Shanks a worthy opponent even though he's a Yonko, have power haki, can perform Roger level sword attacks, and it's looking for a swordsman stronger than Shanks. It's probably because of the answer, Shanks isn't strong enough to provide Mihawk a worthy challeng.
Oda tells us Mihawk became the world's strongest swordsman. He traveled the world and faced strong opponents until there were no more worthy challenges.
Just because we don't know everybody Mihawk faced because it hasn't been revealed yet doesn't mean he didn't face any strong opponents.
I guess you don't realize it but it's normal for people in a competition to not face every competitor in the competition. Why would Mihawk need to beat Vista if he's beat people stronger in a Vista? He wouldn't.
Mihawk is the only one with a world's strongest title who achieved his title by actually fighting and beating others in battle. Kaido obtained his title because people thought he was a creature who couldn't be killed. While WB obtained his title because he had the power to destroy the world. Yet somehow Mihawk's title is the only one questioned the most by fans even though nobody in the manga has ever questioned his title or stated he's a fraud.
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i literally answered this above
lol
this is some insane retarded copium. mohawk was testing old wb for his strength and got blocked by a commander. Shanks went into his ship and split the sky. Portrayal couldn't be any clearer.
And why mohawk don't want the smoke against shanks? Cause shanks lost his main sword hand... That's literally mohawk's excuse lol.
Like, he says "one armed-has been"
But oda said that shanks didn't lose any strength at all. So shanks is the same dude. Not a has been. Mohawk is making up shitty excuses to duck fights lol. Just like he postponed against commander Wista.
Once again, Who were these worthy challengers?
He didn't even meet or fight any of the strong swordsmen we know of. He literally praises Vista for his swordsman ship. Yet he didn't fight him on his journey to become the wss? See how incredulous that sounds?
Well until we know of whom he faced, we can only judge him from the people he DIDN'T face. Admirals like Fuji, GB. Commanders like Vista etc.
Bring me the people he beat that were stronger than Vista...
All yall have is hypotheticals and What ifs lol
And it's funny you mention a competition lol. Cause if mohawk actually participated in a contest for WSS, it would be a bit more credible. But he seems to have just travelled around and beat some unknown people. All the while ducking actual strong swordsmen with actual relevance and hype.
How do you know mohawk didn't get it the same way by people saying it?
Mohawk's title is not the only one questioned lol. WB, Kaido have their titles questions numerous times.
WB was called the WSM in mf. And everyone in the community acknowledges that that was false. That in and of itself calls into question the validity of every WS titles.
lol
this is some insane retarded copium. mohawk was testing old wb for his strength and got blocked by a commander. Shanks went into his ship and split the sky. Portrayal couldn't be any clearer.
And why mohawk don't want the smoke against shanks? Cause shanks lost his main sword hand... That's literally mohawk's excuse lol.
Like, he says "one armed-has been"
But oda said that shanks didn't lose any strength at all. So shanks is the same dude. Not a has been. Mohawk is making up shitty excuses to duck fights lol. Just like he postponed against commander Wista.
Once again, Who were these worthy challengers?
He didn't even meet or fight any of the strong swordsmen we know of. He literally praises Vista for his swordsman ship. Yet he didn't fight him on his journey to become the wss? See how incredulous that sounds?
Well until we know of whom he faced, we can only judge him from the people he DIDN'T face. Admirals like Fuji, GB. Commanders like Vista etc.
Bring me the people he beat that were stronger than Vista...
All yall have is hypotheticals and What ifs lol
And it's funny you mention a competition lol. Cause if mohawk actually participated in a contest for WSS, it would be a bit more credible. But he seems to have just travelled around and beat some unknown people. All the while ducking actual strong swordsmen with actual relevance and hype.
How do you know mohawk didn't get it the same way by people saying it?
Mohawk's title is not the only one questioned lol. WB, Kaido have their titles questions numerous times.
WB was called the WSM in mf. And everyone in the community acknowledges that that was false. That in and of itself calls into question the validity of every WS titles.
So you’d beat up a guy you’re already perceived as superior too who also lost his dominant arm…..
Show me tha actual canon official media that says Shanks lost no power/strength from losing his arm, I’ll wait…..
Did Kaidou beat every living creature on tha planet to gain his title? Did WB beat every man alive to gain his?
Well until we actually know who Kaiodu beat outside of Oden(and even then, he had to capitalize on a distraction) we kan only judge em on who he DIDNT face. Admirals like Fuji, GB. Commanders like Katakuri etc
My brother in Christ, we literally have a manga panel of Shsnks sayin he fought Mihawk and Beard kallin those duels legendary. So how kan you have legendary duels if you’re a weakling who’s known for only fighting tha weak and not beating anyone let alone anyone strong/worthy
Beard was a man 30 years out of his Orime and was constantly deteriorating every second he was off his medication…..does any of tha apply to Mihawk? If no then what you jus typed has no relevance and does nothing to diminish Mihawks title of WSS or it’s validity
Show me tha actual canon official media that says Shanks lost no power/strength from losing his arm, I’ll wait…..
Did Kaidou beat every living creature on tha planet to gain his title? Did WB beat every man alive to gain his?
Well until we actually know who Kaiodu beat outside of Oden(and even then, he had to capitalize on a distraction) we kan only judge em on who he DIDNT face. Admirals like Fuji, GB. Commanders like Katakuri etc
My brother in Christ, we literally have a manga panel of Shsnks sayin he fought Mihawk and Beard kallin those duels legendary. So how kan you have legendary duels if you’re a weakling who’s known for only fighting tha weak and not beating anyone let alone anyone strong/worthy
Beard was a man 30 years out of his Orime and was constantly deteriorating every second he was off his medication…..does any of tha apply to Mihawk? If no then what you jus typed has no relevance and does nothing to diminish Mihawks title of WSS or it’s validity
You are the one that's coping.
Your argument for Mihawk being a fraud or weaker than Shanks it's based on headcannon or what Oda hasn't revealed about Mihawk. In other words you have nothing. Just more of the same headcannon you and others like to post about Mihawk. Nobody in the entire manga has ever stated Mihawk is a fraud or he's not the real WSS.
Since you believe Mihawk didn't face any worthy opponents, other than Shanks, why don't you bring facts supporting it. Oh that's right you don't have any. The only person you can say he didn't face was Vista. That's it. You see how quickly your argument falls apart.
You are overthinking Mihawk and Shanks encounter. Even though Mihawk is waiting for a swordsman stronger than Shanks, which means he consider Shanks the strongest swordsman after himself, he no longer considers Shanks a worthy opponent. That means Shanks can no longer give Mihawk a worthy challeng. It is that simple. The reason for that is irrelevant. It could be because he's able to explore Shank fighting style since he's missing an arm.
You think Jozu using his diamond, one of the hardest substance the entire manga, to block Mihawk nameless attack that was just test his theory is a bad thing?
That commander has the diamond fruit that gives him the power to turn his body into one in the hardest substance in the manga and create one in the strongest defenses. His diamond doesn't become weaker just because he's a commander not a Yonko.
You completely missed the point to the scene. It was a show us the defense level needed to block Mihawks attack. That's why Oda had the WB pirate with the strongest defense block his attack.
Your argument for Mihawk being a fraud or weaker than Shanks it's based on headcannon or what Oda hasn't revealed about Mihawk. In other words you have nothing. Just more of the same headcannon you and others like to post about Mihawk. Nobody in the entire manga has ever stated Mihawk is a fraud or he's not the real WSS.
Since you believe Mihawk didn't face any worthy opponents, other than Shanks, why don't you bring facts supporting it. Oh that's right you don't have any. The only person you can say he didn't face was Vista. That's it. You see how quickly your argument falls apart.
You are overthinking Mihawk and Shanks encounter. Even though Mihawk is waiting for a swordsman stronger than Shanks, which means he consider Shanks the strongest swordsman after himself, he no longer considers Shanks a worthy opponent. That means Shanks can no longer give Mihawk a worthy challeng. It is that simple. The reason for that is irrelevant. It could be because he's able to explore Shank fighting style since he's missing an arm.
You think Jozu using his diamond, one of the hardest substance the entire manga, to block Mihawk nameless attack that was just test his theory is a bad thing?
That commander has the diamond fruit that gives him the power to turn his body into one in the hardest substance in the manga and create one in the strongest defenses. His diamond doesn't become weaker just because he's a commander not a Yonko.
You completely missed the point to the scene. It was a show us the defense level needed to block Mihawks attack. That's why Oda had the WB pirate with the strongest defense block his attack.
He is a top tier and he has better skills than shanks, don't see any reason why oda can't just give shanks a move say it is not part of the skill of a swordsman and having the red hair above as he is constantly wanking him to absurd levels. But no, this cannot happen because yes, even though Mihawk doesn't receive same treatment. And I am consistent, I think Roger is stronger than WB as well.
Special attacks are more about techniques than anything else. What Shanks learned from Roger is the technique behind Komusari. You just add Haki, either CoA or CoC, to add more power to it. You don't need CoC to learn the technique behind Komusari or any attack for that matter. So Shanks did not necessarily have CoC coating when he leaned Komusari.
Besides, manga outright confirmed Mihawk's skill is better than Shanks, so if Shanks is as talented as Roger, that makes Mihawk even more talented. That doesn't sound, you know, very accurate.
Besides, manga outright confirmed Mihawk's skill is better than Shanks, so if Shanks is as talented as Roger, that makes Mihawk even more talented. That doesn't sound, you know, very accurate.