Powers & Abilities Considering Shanks' mastery of divine departure
- Thread starter Thaidakar
- Start date
Yeah and the end of year statement oda made of "that man and that man finally clashing" Shanks and Blackbeard, which he mentions directly after alluding to luffy going to "that" island, which is elbaph. So it's definitely a possibility
Even that panel literally shows even this small clash isn't equal, since Vista is visibly being rattled by the clash, while Mihawk isn't.
And by the way this is nothing new, we know Vistas "swordsmanship" is world level, and this statement you're showing essentially means Vistas swordsmanship is > Shanks. Like I said, nothing new.
Because this Vivre card statement says Vista's swordsmanship is on par with Mihawks, and we already know Mihawks swordsmanship is above Shanks:
Therefore Vistas Swordsmanship is also > Shanks swordsmanship.
People talk about this new Oda statement indirectly hyping up Mihawk and Blackbeard, but you're showing that it also hypes up Vista indirectly. Because he is still better than Shanks, a prodigy child and genius who could imitate the Pirate Kings techniques just by seeing them, when no one else could.
Conclusion: Mihawk and Vista > Shanks. Well done.
Post automatically merged:
Even that panel literally shows even this small clash isn't equal, since Vista is visibly being rattled by the clash, while Mihawk isn't.
And by the way this is nothing new, we know Vistas "swordsmanship" is world level, and this statement you're showing essentially means Vistas swordsmanship is > Shanks. Like I said, nothing new.
Because this Vivre card statement says Vista's swordsmanship is on par with Mihawks, and we already know Mihawks swordsmanship is above Shanks:
Therefore Vistas Swordsmanship is also > Shanks swordsmanship.
People talk about this new Oda statement indirectly hyping up Mihawk and Blackbeard, but you're showing that it also hypes up Vista indirectly. Because he is still better than Shanks, a prodigy child and genius who could imitate the Pirate Kings techniques just by seeing them, when no one else could.
Conclusion: Mihawk and Vista > Shanks. Well done.
Last edited:
Settling the score means implies Shanks won or they are tied or something, which is different from seeking a challenge/fight. Of course it's different.
In the context that Mihawk used to seek out Shanks for fights in the past, that's the first thing that'd come in Shanks's mind when he sees Mihawk came for him, it's normal.
In what world do you become world champ without beating anybody are you serious? Of course he beat the Strongest to become the Strongest. Oda doesn't need to spell it out for you, it's common-sense. We don't care who in particular he fought or beat, what matters is he is the Strongest as per the Narrator and Oda, that's it.
Are you serious with this... So after Zoro beats Mihawk, he won't be the WSS until he fights fucking Vista?
In the context that Mihawk used to seek out Shanks for fights in the past, that's the first thing that'd come in Shanks's mind when he sees Mihawk came for him, it's normal.
In what world do you become world champ without beating anybody are you serious? Of course he beat the Strongest to become the Strongest. Oda doesn't need to spell it out for you, it's common-sense. We don't care who in particular he fought or beat, what matters is he is the Strongest as per the Narrator and Oda, that's it.
Are you serious with this... So after Zoro beats Mihawk, he won't be the WSS until he fights fucking Vista?
It is VERY simple for Mihawk haters and Shanks glazers.
There is NO reality where Mihawk is not super busted in terms of power after the latest reveal about Divine Departure. That ship has sailed fully.
Option Number 1:
Shanks even as a damn cabin boy had cracked levels of Haki. Like, above Prime Rayleigh and Oden level. That is why he could pull off the move while Rayleigh could not if you just insist on it still being a pure Haki move, with no swordsmanship or “skill” being involved.
In this scenario, a much older and experienced Shanks fought Mihawk in legendary duels and had at WORST Roger-lite Haki levels while doing so. To be clear, this is the one Shanks glazers should hope for since it elevates him to be a prodigy in Haki, the only thing you give a fuck about.
Option Number 2:
Roger was such a ridiculously skilled swordsman, that Shanks was the only person gifted enough in swordsmanship to copy Divine Departure/learn it. Its not after all a Haki move, and Shanks merely is a such a gifted swordsman he surpassed somebody like Oden. A confirmed Roger pirate and swordsmen that scared Kaido but never learned Divine Departure either despite having it literally used on him.
Pick your poison honestly.
Mihawk still fought the only guy that was able to copy Rogers sword move which nobody else could pull off. Again, that puts him above Prime Rayleigh. None of that "we don't REALLY know how strong Shanks was 6 years ago, he could have been YC1 level" shit anymore.
If Shanks is really the ONLY person that can replicate Rogers sword attack from the Roger Pirates?
Mihawk fought him, at his best with two arms and with his Haki either almost at full power or close to it. Shanks could EASILY be argued to have still not gotten back to his former peak when he had two arms under the scenario where his Haki barely grew and he was always cracked btw. If his Haki was crazy from the get go?
Shanks did not secretly grow four times in power ever since he stopped being Mihawks rival.
Arguably, he got weaker since as far as we know he spent his time since then partying and protecting fodder and doing fuck all besides going around telling other people "damn man, somebody REALLY should do something about Blackbeard... sure wont be me though"
The way some people have legit used this new “feat” of Shanks to hype him up without thinking for a second what this implies is hilarious to me.
There is NO reality where Mihawk is not super busted in terms of power after the latest reveal about Divine Departure. That ship has sailed fully.
Option Number 1:
Shanks even as a damn cabin boy had cracked levels of Haki. Like, above Prime Rayleigh and Oden level. That is why he could pull off the move while Rayleigh could not if you just insist on it still being a pure Haki move, with no swordsmanship or “skill” being involved.
In this scenario, a much older and experienced Shanks fought Mihawk in legendary duels and had at WORST Roger-lite Haki levels while doing so. To be clear, this is the one Shanks glazers should hope for since it elevates him to be a prodigy in Haki, the only thing you give a fuck about.
Option Number 2:
Roger was such a ridiculously skilled swordsman, that Shanks was the only person gifted enough in swordsmanship to copy Divine Departure/learn it. Its not after all a Haki move, and Shanks merely is a such a gifted swordsman he surpassed somebody like Oden. A confirmed Roger pirate and swordsmen that scared Kaido but never learned Divine Departure either despite having it literally used on him.
Pick your poison honestly.
Mihawk still fought the only guy that was able to copy Rogers sword move which nobody else could pull off. Again, that puts him above Prime Rayleigh. None of that "we don't REALLY know how strong Shanks was 6 years ago, he could have been YC1 level" shit anymore.
If Shanks is really the ONLY person that can replicate Rogers sword attack from the Roger Pirates?
Mihawk fought him, at his best with two arms and with his Haki either almost at full power or close to it. Shanks could EASILY be argued to have still not gotten back to his former peak when he had two arms under the scenario where his Haki barely grew and he was always cracked btw. If his Haki was crazy from the get go?
Shanks did not secretly grow four times in power ever since he stopped being Mihawks rival.
Arguably, he got weaker since as far as we know he spent his time since then partying and protecting fodder and doing fuck all besides going around telling other people "damn man, somebody REALLY should do something about Blackbeard... sure wont be me though"
The way some people have legit used this new “feat” of Shanks to hype him up without thinking for a second what this implies is hilarious to me.
Last edited:
Where are the scenes showing us Mihawk never defeated any swordsman?
Oh that's right it doesn't exist. Just more headcannon.
Mihawk stated he can't remember everybody he crushed in battle.
The problem with that is Oda told us Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman in name and reality.
Even with Buggy some people know he's a fool who just lucky. That's not the case of Mihawk. Nobody has ever stated or even hinted about him being a fraud or his title being fake.
Oh that's right it doesn't exist. Just more headcannon.
Mihawk stated he can't remember everybody he crushed in battle.
The problem with that is Oda told us Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman in name and reality.
Even with Buggy some people know he's a fool who just lucky. That's not the case of Mihawk. Nobody has ever stated or even hinted about him being a fraud or his title being fake.
Cry as much as you want but even with the title, Mihawk always going to remain below Shanks. Coz that's how story is going forward and how Oda always show Shanks doing better than Mihawk in everything.
Just coz of title every reader is believing he's a high top tier but if someone considers his feats seriously i doubt if he should even be compared with Admirals or Yonko. Lol. That's how poorly written character is Mihawk.
Just look at his feats and see how big of a fraud he is. Next prove how title is ineffective is the difference between Mihawk's bounty against other title holder WB and Kaido.
If title is true than the threat level of World's strongest alone is enough to put him the league of Kaido and WB.
Lastly Mihawk's feats and capabilities in MF sucks so much that it's embarrassing for him to sit together with WB or Kaido or even compared with Shanks who can troll admirals or one shot Mihawk's similar bounty club member Kidd. Lol
Just coz of title every reader is believing he's a high top tier but if someone considers his feats seriously i doubt if he should even be compared with Admirals or Yonko. Lol. That's how poorly written character is Mihawk.
Just look at his feats and see how big of a fraud he is. Next prove how title is ineffective is the difference between Mihawk's bounty against other title holder WB and Kaido.
If title is true than the threat level of World's strongest alone is enough to put him the league of Kaido and WB.
Lastly Mihawk's feats and capabilities in MF sucks so much that it's embarrassing for him to sit together with WB or Kaido or even compared with Shanks who can troll admirals or one shot Mihawk's similar bounty club member Kidd. Lol
You and and the rest of your fan base are the ones who are crying. I never seen so many people in my entire life scared of a fictional character. It's pathetic. The entire argument against Mihawk sums up to claiming Oda is wrong. What foolishness is that? That is no argument, that is just people coping.
Shanks having more feats and using more power in battle doesn't make him stronger than Mihawk. It just means he has showed off more his power.
Every single time we see Shanks fighting he's going wild and using a lot of power which is the direct opposite we have seen from Mihawk. He's not the type of person who's foolish enough to hunt a rabbit for cannon. But keep telling yourself that hunting a rabbit with a cannon in a open field with short grass is more impressive than hunting a rabbit with a slingshot in a open field with tall grass.
I guess you didn't realize that bounties aren't based on strength. A pirate bounty is based on how much of a threat they are to the world which is a combination of strength, territory, crew, and alliances. Two pirates who were acted their entire career and are yonkos should have higher bounty than someone who hasn't been active for years and just obtained a new bounty thats based only on their strength, a rare feat.
Mihawk could have been a Yonko but he turned it down because he doesn't care about it. Now a clown holds a Yonko title. The precious Yoko title, which is just a second place trophy, that people hyped up as one of the greatest feats is nothing but a clown position now. All because of Mihawk. If Mihawk didn't decide to let Buggy lead as a figure head that would have never happened. Oda used Mihawk to show how worthless that title really is.
Since Mihawk is not a Yonko and his story is not tied directly to finding One Piece he has more freedom then Shanks. Oh the irony. Oda can have Mihawk story ends after One Piece is found.
You are correct, Mihawk isn't in the same league as WB and Kaido. He's in a league above them. While those two are gone, Mihawk hasn't even performed one serious attack or showed us his true power. Remember you always say the strongest for last.
The fact you think Mihawk's MF feats are embarrassing tells me you're just another fan who can't comprehend the manga. MF was designed show us a small taste of his true power.
A defense made out of diamond, one of the hardest substance in the manga and one of the strongest defenses in the manga, was needed to stop his nameless attack he wasn't even serious about.
Mihawk easily cut an iceberg the size of a mountain range in half with a casual attack while messing around. If Kaido or BM wanted to do anything close to that they would need to perform a powerful high end attack.
Mihawk can easily fighting a YC level fighter without needing to focus on them and not receive a single hit. In other material that is used to show off a character's power and show the huge gap between them and their opponent but for some strange reason here that's a negative feat. I wonder why?
Let's not forget the manga hyping Mihawk strength above the combined power of 3 admirals. Luffy stated Mihawk was too strong to fight but not 3 admirals at the same time.
Shanks oneshot Kid who has a 3B bounty is why you shouldn't look at a person's bounty to determine their strength unless the manga specifically states their bounty is only based on their strength. Kaido and Big Mom together with combo attack couldn't oneshot Zoro who still isn't ready to face Mihawk and has a 1.11B bounty.
Keep ignoring manga facts, claiming headcannon is facts, and telling yourself Oda is wrong.
Shanks having more feats and using more power in battle doesn't make him stronger than Mihawk. It just means he has showed off more his power.
Every single time we see Shanks fighting he's going wild and using a lot of power which is the direct opposite we have seen from Mihawk. He's not the type of person who's foolish enough to hunt a rabbit for cannon. But keep telling yourself that hunting a rabbit with a cannon in a open field with short grass is more impressive than hunting a rabbit with a slingshot in a open field with tall grass.
I guess you didn't realize that bounties aren't based on strength. A pirate bounty is based on how much of a threat they are to the world which is a combination of strength, territory, crew, and alliances. Two pirates who were acted their entire career and are yonkos should have higher bounty than someone who hasn't been active for years and just obtained a new bounty thats based only on their strength, a rare feat.
Mihawk could have been a Yonko but he turned it down because he doesn't care about it. Now a clown holds a Yonko title. The precious Yoko title, which is just a second place trophy, that people hyped up as one of the greatest feats is nothing but a clown position now. All because of Mihawk. If Mihawk didn't decide to let Buggy lead as a figure head that would have never happened. Oda used Mihawk to show how worthless that title really is.
Since Mihawk is not a Yonko and his story is not tied directly to finding One Piece he has more freedom then Shanks. Oh the irony. Oda can have Mihawk story ends after One Piece is found.
You are correct, Mihawk isn't in the same league as WB and Kaido. He's in a league above them. While those two are gone, Mihawk hasn't even performed one serious attack or showed us his true power. Remember you always say the strongest for last.
The fact you think Mihawk's MF feats are embarrassing tells me you're just another fan who can't comprehend the manga. MF was designed show us a small taste of his true power.
A defense made out of diamond, one of the hardest substance in the manga and one of the strongest defenses in the manga, was needed to stop his nameless attack he wasn't even serious about.
Mihawk easily cut an iceberg the size of a mountain range in half with a casual attack while messing around. If Kaido or BM wanted to do anything close to that they would need to perform a powerful high end attack.
Mihawk can easily fighting a YC level fighter without needing to focus on them and not receive a single hit. In other material that is used to show off a character's power and show the huge gap between them and their opponent but for some strange reason here that's a negative feat. I wonder why?
Let's not forget the manga hyping Mihawk strength above the combined power of 3 admirals. Luffy stated Mihawk was too strong to fight but not 3 admirals at the same time.
Shanks oneshot Kid who has a 3B bounty is why you shouldn't look at a person's bounty to determine their strength unless the manga specifically states their bounty is only based on their strength. Kaido and Big Mom together with combo attack couldn't oneshot Zoro who still isn't ready to face Mihawk and has a 1.11B bounty.
Keep ignoring manga facts, claiming headcannon is facts, and telling yourself Oda is wrong.
Lmao. Just look at yourself or your post and see who's crying and just defending a character who has more feats available. You all Mihawk and Zoro fans have gone too far with your copium analysis and delusion of seeing Mihawk sitting above WB or Kaido or ZKK or Zoro has the ability to defeat/kill kaido or Zoro above luffy etc etc. So much delusion there in your head that you can't even understand Firstly that he was serious when testing WB but oda trolled right there by making YC stopping his attack (an attack to test WSM lol) than later unable to even seriously injure Luffy when he even apologized to shanks and said if he could survive his black blade. Later Vista heavily trolled him. Lol
Just look at how Oda always been treating him. His world's strongest title never going to put him even in league of admirals let alone WB Shanks Roger or Kaido.
What's all this nonsense to imagine yourself if Mihawk is serious or he's timepassing there in MF while getting himself embarrassed in every place !!!??
You all Zoro and Mihawk fans have gone wild in all those years with all your dumb analysis and comparisons and what not idiotic things you guys haven't done. Your analysis habits have made you unable to understand a simple comic and context of what author wants to show or imply. Lol
Lastly i said this about bounty :
See you can't understand how big of a threat WB or Kaido is while Mihawk isn't even with title. Here all three of them have a crew or team but Mihawk has the lowest and not even anywhere near them. WB and Kaido might be threat but they haven't directly went against Navy by putting bounties on them while CG did so in Mihawk's bounty such thing is also considered but still he didn't been considered such a big threat.
Oda sent named or special VA or characters against weaker warlords but only fodders against Mihawk so now you can understand how big threat is Mihawk for WG. Lol
Compare his feats and on panel fights with Mihawk and see how bad your comparison is. Lol
Mihawk has a crew and same goes with Kaido or WB. All three and there organization has been a threat to WG but still Mihawk is lowest and worst with not even in the club of 4B. Now don't complain coz he's not captain as if he along with his crew should be a much bigger threat than WG would have put him in much higher rather than just embarrassing with putting Slightly above captain. Why stopping there only when showing him above captain, you just like thinking as you guya who believes he's above Roger WB or Kaido, Mihawk should directly be 6B or 7B or lord of the sea. Lol
Roger tied with prime WB or clashed with prime Garp and we have feats of these two old legends who were thrashing admirals in there old age. This proves how strong they are while prime Mihawk unable to : measure distance, stopped by YC in measuring another title holder yonko, unable to injure weakling like luffy or Buggy, unable to settle a simple fight YC 3 or YC 4 level Vista. Lol
But you can apply logic to understand simply what author wants to show or portraying.
Mihawk and Zoro fans with there dumb analysis have gone beyond redemption. They will just remain with there cope and believing baseless things.
Just look at how Oda always been treating him. His world's strongest title never going to put him even in league of admirals let alone WB Shanks Roger or Kaido.
What's all this nonsense to imagine yourself if Mihawk is serious or he's timepassing there in MF while getting himself embarrassed in every place !!!??
You all Zoro and Mihawk fans have gone wild in all those years with all your dumb analysis and comparisons and what not idiotic things you guys haven't done. Your analysis habits have made you unable to understand a simple comic and context of what author wants to show or imply. Lol
Lastly i said this about bounty :
See you can't understand how big of a threat WB or Kaido is while Mihawk isn't even with title. Here all three of them have a crew or team but Mihawk has the lowest and not even anywhere near them. WB and Kaido might be threat but they haven't directly went against Navy by putting bounties on them while CG did so in Mihawk's bounty such thing is also considered but still he didn't been considered such a big threat.
Oda sent named or special VA or characters against weaker warlords but only fodders against Mihawk so now you can understand how big threat is Mihawk for WG. Lol
Compare his feats and on panel fights with Mihawk and see how bad your comparison is. Lol
Mihawk has a crew and same goes with Kaido or WB. All three and there organization has been a threat to WG but still Mihawk is lowest and worst with not even in the club of 4B. Now don't complain coz he's not captain as if he along with his crew should be a much bigger threat than WG would have put him in much higher rather than just embarrassing with putting Slightly above captain. Why stopping there only when showing him above captain, you just like thinking as you guya who believes he's above Roger WB or Kaido, Mihawk should directly be 6B or 7B or lord of the sea. Lol
Roger tied with prime WB or clashed with prime Garp and we have feats of these two old legends who were thrashing admirals in there old age. This proves how strong they are while prime Mihawk unable to : measure distance, stopped by YC in measuring another title holder yonko, unable to injure weakling like luffy or Buggy, unable to settle a simple fight YC 3 or YC 4 level Vista. Lol
But you can apply logic to understand simply what author wants to show or portraying.
Mihawk and Zoro fans with there dumb analysis have gone beyond redemption. They will just remain with there cope and believing baseless things.
Now we do, back in tha first half of tha GrandLine. All we knew was Roger was tha PK, we didn’t meet WB until chapter 159 into tha manga and Garp debuted in chapter 95, so yes. For tha first few years of tha manga, Roger was accepted as tha strongest and it was solely due to his title of PK
Mihawk had legendary duels with shanks that shook tha GL, and we know Shanks was a worldwide figure and exceedingly strong when they fought. Since an emperor along with others were shocked he lost an arm. So yes, Mihawk factually has feats. You could argue how strong Shanks was at that time, but its inferenced and inferred. Shanks was supposed to appear exceptionally strong at tha time
Yea, but then you’d have to then concede that Mihawk is supposed to be exceptionally powerful even among exceptionally powerful people in this series.
Every fandom has that, there’s some genuinely insane/stupid Shanks takes……
Mihawk had legendary duels with shanks that shook tha GL, and we know Shanks was a worldwide figure and exceedingly strong when they fought. Since an emperor along with others were shocked he lost an arm. So yes, Mihawk factually has feats. You could argue how strong Shanks was at that time, but its inferenced and inferred. Shanks was supposed to appear exceptionally strong at tha time
Yea, but then you’d have to then concede that Mihawk is supposed to be exceptionally powerful even among exceptionally powerful people in this series.
Every fandom has that, there’s some genuinely insane/stupid Shanks takes……