Questions & Mysteries Why people thought Zolo is captain?

[Erkan12]

Did you legit grab onto your poll because you are lacking better arguments?
Dont look for straws that can save you, they cant. When you debate me, you have to stick to facts. Nothing can save you.
Correct, the world saw Zoro's display of power while they didn't see Shiryu's and now you finally know why they arent wondering why Shiryu isn't captain. This is progress, I didn't expect you to come this far. Ganbare.

Wrong again, it is not based on nothing, it is based on Shiryu's equal.
If Shiryu's equal can neg Blackbeard and half his crew, Shiryu can do it as well.
That's why Magellan asked him to do it, because he knew he can.

Shiryu literally made one move and that sealed Garp's fate.
Everything else is irrelevant. Dont be mad just because people agree with facts.


Aokiji wasn't even in the scene when Shiryu stepped up. I told you to stop grabbing onto straws. They cant save you.
So it was Garp+Coby against Shiryu and Shiryu accomplished his goal?
There was no team effort in Shiryu managing to pierce the man who hunted the Pirate King.
Not a single other BB pirate was involved. Only Garp and Coby are involved and Shiryu stole the spotlight.



The only thing I deny are your headcanons and all you wrote are your headcanons.
And now, I will debunk your headcanons.
Zoro never said Luffy should be stronger or stop being a captain.
Having base CoC changes absolutely nothing in Zoro vs Luffy so the ability that Zoro saw isn't making Luffy any stronger.
Same for Shiryu, he too joined Teach for his own reasons - he didn't want to stay in jail any longer.

The only thing Shiryu knows about Blackbeard in that moment is that he is a Warlord who disobeyed the Government aka lost his position aka he traded it for something better. Joining such a guy sounds like a promising future and that's exactly what he is waiting for. Yes, Shiryu joined someone who is weaker than him, he literally saw his equal neg Blackbeard and half his crew with his own eyes.
You didn't realize that?


Wrong, you are simply unable to calculate 2+2. And you are bragging about it.
Once again, both Marco and BM include others despite talking just about WB and Teach.
Has it finally managed to go through your thick head or still bouncing off? lol


What is so hard to understand about Kaido>Oden>WB?
Is such a simple thing too complicated for your brain or what? Sounds like an absolute bitch is schooling you again.



Boy, you are denser than I thought... Seems like everything is too complicated for you.
The world simply doesn't work the way you think it does. I will make some things clear for you. Pay attention now.

Shiryu cannot go solo, he would be a fugitive and on the run forever and that is not a life he wants.
He is looking for shelter of an organizations and the Warlord who is ready to lose the title is obviously trading it for something bigger.
That is what Shiryu is looking for, an organization that can protect him, he is not looking for a guy stronger than himself.

Did you really think that when Shiryu saw Magellan neg BB pirates, he thought - this trash is stronger than me?
Didnt Mihawk already walk you through all of this and you still fail to understand it?
Do you think Mihawk joined Crocodile because he is stronger than him or because he has a shelter in a large organization?

That is how you debunk Erkek, the little agenda boy. With undeniable facts.



You are doubling down on the nonsense. Stupid arguments don't work against me.
Oden is literally dumbfounded when he is hit by aCoC for the first time against Roger.
He literally asks What was that... He has no clue what aCoC is until he joined Roger.


He didn't need to beat Luffy in a fight, he fought 2 Emperors far better than Luffy did.
Your precious captain difference didn't help Luffy on the rooftop.
The underling was the strongest guy, while the captain was a little angry boy who was mad that his attacks didn't work.
You remember this or you erased it from your memory because it doesn't fit your agenda?

You lil clown can't even vote in this thread, so you have no answer?

Lets see how I whooped this retarded clown's ass;

1- He can't provide the informations that people think Shiryu should be the captain not Teach. There is none.

2- He can't disprove Shiryu gained advantage from Garp fighting Aokiji, and Koby was busy with other pirates, and Garp fought Aokiji and Pizarro right after not Shiryu, it was a team effort, his dumb ZKKass is whooped.

3- He can't explain why Shiryu called Teach his enemy, can't explain why Shiryu's CoO Haki isn't strong enough to sense Teach's power level, can't explain why Shiryu needed Teach to escape Impel Down if Teach without Quake was weaker than him, why he didn't go solo or joined someone stronger.

4- As stupid Lik is, after I used Marco saying only Teach was beating them, he used BM's statement about not mentioning other Emperors crew, which helped my argument. As well as dumbass forgets BM said ''even'' for WB, meaning she thinks WB > Kaido, but here is he argues about Kaido > Oden > WB after using BM's statement, as I said Lik is an absolute bitch.

5- Moron think no touch Haki is the only way to use Ad.CoC and denies Oda's own SBS.

6- Retarded clown is so dumb he compares Shiryu being Teach's underling to Mihawk and Crocodile, who are partners, don't have underling relationship.

7- Still argues against Zolo's own statements about captain power difference which proves Luffy > Zolo.

7 Ls for Lik, this guy literally begging for taking Ls

 

[nik87]

You lil clown can't even vote in this thread, so you have no answer?

Lets see how I whooped this retarded clown's ass;

1- He can't provide the informations that people think Shiryu should be the captain not Teach. There is none.

2- He can't disprove Shiryu gained advantage from Garp fighting Aokiji, and Koby was busy with other pirates, and Garp fought Aokiji and Pizarro right after not Shiryu, it was a team effort, his dumb ZKKass is whooped.

3- He can't explain why Shiryu called Teach his enemy, can't explain why Shiryu's CoO Haki isn't strong enough to sense Teach's power level, can't explain why Shiryu needed Teach to escape Impel Down if Teach without Quake was weaker than him, why he didn't go solo or joined someone stronger.

4- As stupid Lik is, after I used Marco saying only Teach was beating them, he used BM's statement about not mentioning other Emperors crew, which helped my argument. As well as dumbass forgets BM said ''even'' for WB, meaning she thinks WB > Kaido, but here is he argues about Kaido > Oden > WB after using BM's statement, as I said Lik is an absolute bitch.

5- Moron think no touch Haki is the only way to use Ad.CoC and denies Oda's own SBS.

6- Retarded clown is so dumb he compares Shiryu being Teach's underling to Mihawk and Crocodile, who are partners, don't have underling relationship.

7- Still argues against Zolo's own statements about captain power difference which proves Luffy > Zolo.

7 Ls for Lik, this guy literally begging for taking Ls

Are you mad that I refuse to vote in your thread?
Here, vote this: Do you parents know that you are a thickhead?
Options are Yes and No. Which one are you voting for?

Lets see how I whooped this retarded clown's ass;

1- He can't provide the informations that people think Shiryu should be the captain not Teach. There is none.

2- He can't disprove Shiryu gained advantage from Garp fighting Aokiji, and Koby was busy with other pirates, and Garp fought Aokiji and Pizarro right after not Shiryu, it was a team effort, his dumb ZKKass is whooped.

3- He can't explain why Shiryu called Teach his enemy, can't explain why Shiryu's CoO Haki isn't strong enough to sense Teach's power level, can't explain why Shiryu needed Teach to escape Impel Down if Teach without Quake was weaker than him, why he didn't go solo or joined someone stronger.

4- As stupid Lik is, after I used Marco saying only Teach was beating them, he used BM's statement about not mentioning other Emperors crew, which helped my argument. As well as dumbass forgets BM said ''even'' for WB, meaning she thinks WB > Kaido, but here is he argues about Kaido > Oden > WB after using BM's statement, as I said Lik is an absolute bitch.

5- Moron think no touch Haki is the only way to use Ad.CoC and denies Oda's own SBS.

6- Retarded clown is so dumb he compares Shiryu being Teach's underling to Mihawk and Crocodile, who are partners, don't have underling relationship.

7- Still argues against Zolo's own statements about captain power difference which proves Luffy > Zolo.

7 Ls for Lik, this guy literally begging for taking Ls

So, after seeing how your ass got debunked with facts you decided to make a compilation of your delusional claims and decided to claim how I didn't debunk them?

I told you at the beginning that you wont get far with headcanons against me.
The underlings are stronger than their captains, in many cases.
Shiryu and Blackbeard happen to be one such case.
Now, keep wanking Shiryu just understand that it doesn't translate into Blackbeard wank.

 

[Embers Kaios]

Ok explain then. How he was able to withstand few seconds of Hakai and still keep fighting. And your base Luffy was KOed by Ragnarok a single emperor attack

Because Luffy wasn’t blocking…..he literally woke up a few seconds after that still ready to go. Now how about you explain how Zoro used his strongest attack on the rooftop and STILL failed to bring kaido down to his knees as promised?

Luffy did with two no named attacks……

Explain how this Zoro who never trained before Wano was able to scar Kaido and Luffy needed to train to damage him and still couldn't do much damage until AdvCoC and Zoro made him dodge and bleed before scarring him

Is Luffy using a weapon? Better yet a special one? Get real. That was a weak point

in before you say Enma. Yes Enma helped him output the damage just like Luffy needed to train. But the fact remains that Zoro's Strength kept him going after Hakai and Luffy's failed him many times over

But Enma literally IS THE REASON! Not only did big mom AND Kaido notice the sword was unusual but also notice how Kaido didn’t even bother dodging a FAR superior attack from Zoro using ACoC when he could of.

And once again you’re making a fist vs sword argument like weapons don’t offer an ap advantage. A SPECIAL WEAPON at that! It still doesn’t determine anything strength wise

Now how about YOU explain how Zoro couldn’t push Kaido into using future sight or getting drunk, greatly boosting his stats and haki prowess despite having 2 supreme grade swords with emphasis on one being SPECIAL

in before you say Enma. Yes Enma helped him output the damage just like Luffy needed to train. But the fact remains that Zoro's Strength kept him going after Hakai and Luffy's failed him many times over.

Explain don't just say he never was omg blabla lol.

I explained my POV of why i couldn't rate him above G4 until Rooftop. Now tell me why he was never on base Luffy

Because Zoro never matched or accomplished even remotely half the things s base Luffy has done vs Kaido

It’s like you just skipped the part where Luffy battled Kaido for that last final time pushing him to drink, strengthening himself using various modes in his hybrid form until he reached Gear 5

 

[Erkan12]

Erkan is actually wanking mihawk with this thread indirectly. Erkans logic: „subordinate being so strong he is mistaken for being the captain (zoro)“

Can‘t we apply the same logic to mihawk as well? We all know mihawk is the strongest im Cross Guild, so he is also stronger than buggy. He is the strongest subordinate and even has a higher bounty than his captain. What do we know? Buggy became a yonko because the world is deceived by his charisma which made mihawk follow him.

The whole reason why buggy became a yonko is because of mihawk. This alone puts mihawk by default minimum Yonko tier.

Mihawk only got a bounty of 3,6b because he is considered as a subordinate of buggy. Imagine what his bounty would be, if he was known as the captain.

Mihawks true bounty might be around 4-4,5 billion range, higher than that of shanks or equal to it.

Nope, they think Buggy > Mihawk, they don't think Mihawk is strongest in Cross Guild. The common perception in One Piece world leaders > underlings in strength, why would they think otherwise for Buggy > Mihawk when Buggy gets a much bigger bounty than Crocodile.


We've the information from Oda that Emperor or other underlings gets bounty boost due to just being an underling of an Emperor or some other pirate leader:

Its not the other way around. If it was other way around too, then there is no ending repeating loop, they would keep boosting each others bounties endlessly. The reason Buggy become an Emperor is because they thought Buggy > Mihawk and Crocodile in power, and also controls Mihawk and Crocodile in addition to his former Impel Down escapees.

@Erkan12 i am not going to claim Zoro over Luffy. But that Dressrosa moment against Pica is clearly Zoro putting Luffy above him out of respect. He always did and always will do.

That is his character. Even the Fishman island moment. He was impressed by his CoC not his prowess which at that point is something Zoro did not have. Meaning only after Luffy showed CoC only then he got a compliment from Zoro.

And a serious question for you. For long time i couldn't put Zoro above G4 Luffy. But after Rooftop to me it looked clear that Zoro was always above Luffy after timeskip until Nika happened.

Was Zoro's performance on Rooftop not an indication of him being above Luffy who had multiple training arcs to be able to stand a chance against Kaido?

Zolo got Enma power up and Fire cutting techniques on the Rooftop, plus Law's teleportation speed boost helped Zolo a lot.

Zolo doesn't have those before Rooftop. Look at his fight vs Nerfed Killer, the guy needed 3 swords skill to defeat Nerfed Killer. If he needs 3 swords to defeat someone thats only Zolo winning the fight with skill difference, Mihawk or Ryuma don't need 3 swords to be WGS, Zolo needs it because thats his style, 2 swords Zolo's basic Haki and physical stats alone wasn't enough to defeat even Nerfed Killer. Luffy was always stronger than Zolo by a noticeable margin. Sanji is closer to Zolo.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Even amongst blood relatives BM Pirates: Being stronger = being captain.

Zolo's power impresses people, then they think ''why Zolo isn't captain''.

Simply because they think Zolo is strongest of his crew, he should be the captain. In One Piece world there is a direct correlation between power and being captain.

So why some people are denying this simple fact that the common accepted perception of One Piece world? Explain.

Hence proven Zoro is the strongest as he often gets misrepresented as a captain.

That's because power balance in Straw hat crew is weird, Luffy who is weaker than Zoro happens to be the captain because Zoro has no interest. But his strength speaks for itself.

 

[ZenZu]

I had to do a double take to see who posted this, then it clicked what this thread was about.

Yes majority of times Captains are the clear strongest in the crew. Not in every case though, some cases are more nuanced or flat out the opposite. (Mihawk - Buggy, Kuzan - Teach, EB Zoro - EB Luffy, Jimbei - Fisher Tiger, Whitebeard - Xebec?)

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I had to do a double take to see who posted this, then it clicked what this thread was about.

Yes majority of times Captains are the clear strongest in the crew. Not in every case though, some cases are more nuanced or flat out the opposite. (Mihawk - Buggy, Kuzan - Teach, EB Zoro - EB Luffy, Jimbei - Fisher Tiger, Whitebeard - Xebec?)

Zoro > Luffy
DEBATE ME

I can beat anyone in Luffy vs Zoro debate

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Characters like Zoro are simply not led by anyone, he lacks the desire to be a captain but he is an AdCoC user. Only someone of Rogers, WBs, Luffys, Xebecs level can hope to reign a man like that in.

Zoro is like Beckman, Rayleigh, Oden, Shiryu. They don’t take orders if the captain isnt GOAT level. With that captain gone I bet none of them would try to step up as new captain of the crew, maybe lead the crew to safety and then disband.

 

[nik87]

The funniest thing is that most crews arent even following the leader because he is the strongest but can't expect Erkek to figure it out, lol.

Roger convinced Rayleigh that they will turn the world upside down, his strength is irrelevant.
Luffy convinced Zoro that it is worth making him into Pirate King, his strength is irrelevant.
Shiryu is convinced that backing Blackbeard will help him achieve his goals, his strength is irrelevant.

King was convinced that backing Kaido would allow him to change the world, strength was irrelevant, only after realizing that he ain't Joyboy did King demand that he remains the strongest there is.
Whitebeard and others were convinced that backing Rocks would accomplish their own goals, his strength was irrelevant.

Oden was convinced that backing Whitebeard/Roger would lead to him learning what he desired to know, their strength was irrelevant.
Only the wimps in BM pirates follow the leader because they are terrified of her strength.
Heck, even Mihawk and Crocodile will learn that backing Buggy is beneficial to their goals, his strength is irrelevant.
Erkek: Muh world thinks a captain is strongest so that's why underlings arent captains.

 

[Boiroy]

What's the agenda again

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

I admit it took me some time to see the real agenda here and the real message of this thread lmao
I’m kinda slow tonight sorry

good job

Fk Zolo lulli knower (lulli in Notth Indian languages is D)
Everyone knows
Been Smoked Mosshead Sanji is better

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The funniest thing is that most crews arent even following the leader because he is the strongest but can't expect Erkek to figure it out, lol.

Roger convinced Rayleigh that they will turn the world upside down, his strength is irrelevant.
Luffy convinced Zoro that it is worth making him into Pirate King, his strength is irrelevant.
Shiryu is convinced that backing Blackbeard will help him achieve his goals, his strength is irrelevant.

King was convinced that backing Kaido would allow him to change the world, strength was irrelevant, only after realizing that he ain't Joyboy did King demand that he remains the strongest there is.
Whitebeard and others were convinced that backing Rocks would accomplish their own goals, his strength was irrelevant.

Oden was convinced that backing Whitebeard/Roger would lead to him learning what he desired to know, their strength was irrelevant.
Only the wimps in BM pirates follow the leader because they are terrified of her strength.
Heck, even Mihawk and Crocodile will learn that backing Buggy is beneficial to their goals, his strength is irrelevant.
Erkek: Muh world thinks a captain is strongest so that's why underlings arent captains.

Buggy convinced Mohawk he will find the One Piece

 

[Blazing Lion]

Because the captains are the strongest guys in the crews mostly, there are very few crews who have subordinates who are as strong as the captain. These crews are against the norm and hence the subordinates get their strength highlighted. It is a hype thing for both the subordinate that they are as strong as the captain and for the captain that they have guy equal in strength willing to follow them.

Luffy-Zoro
Shanks-Benn
Roger-Ray
Fisher-Jinbe
Rocks-WB (the crew dynamic was different but WB was clearly the stronger from the others)

If BBPs follow the same pattern as the above ones then it will be either BB-Shiryu or BB-Aokiji.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Because Luffy wasn’t blocking…..he literally woke up a few seconds after that still ready to go. Now how about you explain how Zoro used his strongest attack on the rooftop and STILL failed to bring kaido down to his knees as promised?

Luffy did with two no named attacks……

Luffy tried to tank the previous attacks but was overwhelmed then couldn't react to Ragnarok in time. And he was out for a while not few seconds (Big Mom was thrown off, Kid killer went after her, Zoro was keeping Sun on check, Kaido jumped in, Law saved Zoro)

But we are talking about different attacks in terms of Power. Even if you try to block something if its too much you will still be damaged regardless.

Why Zoro's strongest attack failed to bring Kaido down to his Knees but Luffy did it in two attacks. This is the dumbest thing ever. But lets discuss it why not.

- Zoro's attack is a slash not meant to send people flying. What he meant by bringing Kaido to his knees is him thinking that this slash is enough damage that Kaido would take a knee for it. But sadly it is not enough regardless of what Zoro's condition is.

- Luffy's putting Kaido on his back is normal.. his attacks are meant to push.

Luffy was able to knock down Kaido's Dragon Form which did no damage to him. Meanwhile Zoro straight up cut his scales that caused to bleed and acknowledge the damage taken but wasn't even pushed off his spot.

If you got hit by a car you will fly off. But if a Sword went throu you.. you will just be cut in half your body won't fall off until you pass out/die or fall from the damage.

Is Luffy using a weapon? Better yet a special one? Get real. That was a weak point

No but unlike Zoro Luffy can use his fruit to be tankier or be overpowered on his command. And yet he wasn't able to deliver until he trained for AdvCoA and unlocking AdvCoC.

And Zoro came out of the timeskip able to do these things and able to withstand certain damage level. The Sword only helped him in outputting more attack power it didn't buff up his body.

But Enma literally IS THE REASON! Not only did big mom AND Kaido notice the sword was unusual but also notice how Kaido didn’t even bother dodging a FAR superior attack from Zoro using ACoC when he could of.

And once again you’re making a fist vs sword argument like weapons don’t offer an ap advantage. A SPECIAL WEAPON at that! It still doesn’t determine anything strength wise

Now how about YOU explain how Zoro couldn’t push Kaido into using future sight or getting drunk, greatly boosting his stats and haki prowess despite having 2 supreme grade swords with emphasis on one being SPECIAL

You are missing the point man.. Enma didn't buff Zoro's body or Physical Strength. Enma gave him the Power needed to hurt someone like Kaido.

I know there is a difference between Swords and fists/kicks. That wasn't my intention here. Only that Zoro was already this Strong all he needed to be on the Rooftop was more attack Power. Him standing after Hakai has nothing to do with Enma.

Why Zoro couldn't push Kaido.. ok easy.. Zoro just like Luffy wasn't strong enough to push Kaido. For a short time he was able to clash/parry and inflict a scar on Kaido but that was it..

IF he was fresh i think he would have put a longer fight 1v1 but he STILL would have lost anyways. Because just like G4 AdvCoC Luffy was going to lose anyways regardless of the intervention of CP0.

Even after King's fight Zoro to me would still lose to Kaido. Only Nika could win and put out enough AP to do that.

Because Zoro never matched or accomplished even remotely half the things s base Luffy has done vs Kaido

It’s like you just skipped the part where Luffy battled Kaido for that last final time pushing him to drink, strengthening himself using various modes in his hybrid form until he reached Gear 5

I didn't skip anything. Let me give you 1 short answer and 1 long answer.

Short : Zoro couldn't continue .. But he will lose anyways because he lacked the skill and knowledge to use AdvCoC... it happened accidently.

Long : Luffy after 1010 has more AP to take on Kaido. But will ultimately lose.. does not matter base or Gears. Luffy at that point was able to match Kaido on his base using haki and carefully dodge/block. But on his G4 he was able to compete but Kaido wasn't pushed as much as he was when Nika happened.

That Short burst moment of Zoro nine sword style. Parrying and blitzing Kaido is just like Luffy fighting Kaido using AdvCoC. That exchange was won by Zoro. But it wasn't Kaido that put Zoro down it was Hakai.. meaning if they continued .. at least to me Zoro would have put a good fight but will LOSE even if he somehow awakened AdvCoC and started to use it against Kaido.



My point was Zoro was already stronger than Luffy the majority of time skip until Luffy trained for AdvCoA and started to use AdvCoC.

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@Erkan12 i added this reply after that long one for @Embers Kaios

Zolo got Enma power up and Fire cutting techniques on the Rooftop, plus Law's teleportation speed boost helped Zolo a lot.

Zolo doesn't have those before Rooftop. Look at his fight vs Nerfed Killer, the guy needed 3 swords skill to defeat Nerfed Killer. If he needs 3 swords to defeat someone thats only Zolo winning the fight with skill difference, Mihawk or Ryuma don't need 3 swords to be WGS, Zolo needs it because thats his style, 2 swords Zolo's basic Haki and physical stats alone wasn't enough to defeat even Nerfed Killer. Luffy was always stronger than Zolo by a noticeable margin. Sanji is closer to Zolo.

Zoro getting Enma has Powered up his AP and Fire Cutting is just adding a Skill to his Skill sets. But his Strength remained the same his knowledge of Haki is the same. Teleportation has nothing to do with his actual Power.

Needing 3 Swords to fight nerfed Killer... Really man.. Do you even know Zoro's strongest skills are? two of his strongests attacks are 1 Sword Style attacks said by him.. Lion Song and Dragon Blaze.. So needing 3 swords is just nerfing his skill sets not his power.

Your agrument about nerfed killer vs nerfed Zoro is invalid. His Physical stat alone was able to win him that fight.. did you forget he was keeping that weapon in his shoulder and killer was unabled to get it back?

His Physical Stat alone kept him awake after few seconds of Hakai not Enma.

Now this 1 sword 2 swords 3 swords.. I am glad you brought it up because you know the only reason Mihawk refused to fight Shanks back in East Blue Saga or everyone surprised at Shanks losing his arm.. Is because he can't use 1 Arm muscles against 2 of Mihawks.

As i stated before.. One of Zoro's strongest attacks are 1 Sword Styles.. Which he uses 2 Arms in order to perform them.. So even if he has all 3 Swords he would sheethe two to use those Attacks.

My main point stands.. Zoro was already this strong but Luffy had to go throu many fights and training (Haki and Heavy Weight) to be at that level on the Roof.

 

[Erkan12]

Zoro getting Enma has Powered up his AP and Fire Cutting is just adding a Skill to his Skill sets. But his Strength remained the same his knowledge of Haki is the same. Teleportation has nothing to do with his actual Power.

Needing 3 Swords to fight nerfed Killer... Really man.. Do you even know Zoro's strongest skills are? two of his strongests attacks are 1 Sword Style attacks said by him.. Lion Song and Dragon Blaze.. So needing 3 swords is just nerfing his skill sets not his power.

Your agrument about nerfed killer vs nerfed Zoro is invalid. His Physical stat alone was able to win him that fight.. did you forget he was keeping that weapon in his shoulder and killer was unabled to get it back?

His Physical Stat alone kept him awake after few seconds of Hakai not Enma.

Now this 1 sword 2 swords 3 swords.. I am glad you brought it up because you know the only reason Mihawk refused to fight Shanks back in East Blue Saga or everyone surprised at Shanks losing his arm.. Is because he can't use 1 Arm muscles against 2 of Mihawks.

As i stated before.. One of Zoro's strongest attacks are 1 Sword Styles.. Which he uses 2 Arms in order to perform them.. So even if he has all 3 Swords he would sheethe two to use those Attacks.

My main point stands.. Zoro was already this strong but Luffy had to go throu many fights and training (Haki and Heavy Weight) to be at that level on the Roof.

Your point doesn't stand, I just debunked it. Zolo couldn't accomplish Rooftop feats without Enma power up, fire cutting technique and Law's teleportation help. So Zolo was significantly weaker than Luffy before Rooftop, then powered up Luffy was also stronger on Rooftop.

In the end, Zolo is the only one who needed Mink Medicine to return fighting from Rooftop. Oda gave him good feats but also made him useless more than others, even Killer didn't need Mink Medicine to return, Sanji was carrying Zolo on his shoulders. Marco had to save Zolo once again. No one from rooftop needed to be carried except for Zolo. Luffy was even got hit by Kaido's Ragnarok but didn't need Mink Medicine to return fighting. Luffy is a lot more stronger than Zolo.

Nerfed Killer giving him difficulty when Zolo had 2 swords also proves it. If Kid's underling Killer wasn't Nerfed, Zolo would struggle even more. Even Hawkins gave Zolo damage and he struggle with Hawkins, Zolo was a lot weaker than Luffy for sure when Luffy was beating Dof, Cracker and Katakuri. Zolo was struggling with Nerfed Killer, Hawkins and asked for help from Orlumbus to beat Pica.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

Zoro didn't follow Luffy based on his strength
Zoro was being blackmailed to either die on the cross or join SHP. Fortunately Zoro is a good guy who keeps his promise

 

[Gintoki]

Luffy just looks scrawny(specially pre-ts) and there's no other reasons

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Your point doesn't stand, I just debunked it. Zolo couldn't accomplish Rooftop feats without Enma power up, fire cutting technique and Law's teleportation help. So Zolo was significantly weaker than Luffy before Rooftop, then powered up Luffy was also stronger on Rooftop.

In the end, Zolo is the only one who needed Mink Medicine to return fighting from Rooftop. Oda gave him good feats but also made him useless more than others, even Killer didn't need Mink Medicine to return, Sanji was carrying Zolo on his shoulders. Marco had to save Zolo once again. No one from rooftop needed to be carried except for Zolo. Luffy was even got hit by Kaido's Ragnarok but didn't need Mink Medicine to return fighting. Luffy is a lot more stronger than Zolo.

Nerfed Killer giving him difficulty when Zolo had 2 swords also proves it. If Kid's underling Killer wasn't Nerfed, Zolo would struggle even more. Even Hawkins gave Zolo damage and he struggle with Hawkins, Zolo was a lot weaker than Luffy for sure when Luffy was beating Dof, Cracker and Katakuri. Zolo was struggling with Nerfed Killer, Hawkins and asked for help from Orlumbus to beat Pica.

My point does stand you even proved it yourself.

- Zoro Cutting Kaido's Scales and Scarring Kaido is only thanks to Enma and his own Strength that allowed him to do that Law has nothing to do with these two. Without his Mastery of Haki and his own Stats there was no way for him to control Enma.

- Law only helped Zoro in his failed attempt at Dragon Blaze which is a 1 Sword Style and one of his Strongest Attacks. Getting Carried Debunked.

- (Needing Mink Medicine to return..) are you for real? Are you really comparing Ragnarok to Hakai? Their reaction alone to these two attacks is an indication of how dangereous these two attacks were... Hakai everyone shat their pants. Ragnarok only Zoro reacted to it by screaming Luffy. You can bet on it If Luffy or anyone got hit by Hakai they would use that medicine too.

- Luffy getting KOed by Ragnarok and Zoro survivng and continuing the fight after Hakai is proof enough of Zoro's Strength rivaling Luffy at that point not even weaker.

- (Nerfed Killer giving him diff cuz Zoro using two swords). I have debunked this claim by telling you about two of Zoro's strongest attacks are 1 sword style. Zoro Physical Strength Made Killer Struggle to get his weapon back from Zoro's Shoulders. That fight was on Zoro's side anyways but the monk made it go faster.

- (Struggling against Hawkins..) LMAO. Ok this is easy.. Zoro was protecting Tama and Luffy so he took those hits on.. he could have dodged those he couldn't block but he had to take it on. Luffy was KOed by Apoo. These proves nothing because because we know both Luffy and Zoro would shit on Hawkins Apoo and Killer.

- (Asking Orlumbus to beat Pica) ok so Zoro needing help to teleport or fly means hes weak? LMFAO .. these scenarios he used his own Strength to win he only needed the mobilty help nothing more.

- (Zoro was weaker when Luffy beat Doffy Cracker and Kata..) You are just writing things at this point randomly LMAO. Simple asnwer as i stated before Zoro for the Majority of the time skip was unchecked and wasn't pushed at all until Wano's Rooftop and King's. So this is telling you exactly that Zoro was already that strong and that Enma power up? that was for Kaido.

So how come you are only naming these moments without explanation or proof.. You are only saying Zoro got teleported = Weak. What...

Here is one final breakdown for you:-

1 - Luffy went throu multiple diff fights + training his Strength in Udon + Haki to be Rooftop ready.
2- Zoro AP got boosted by Enma to be Rooftop ready. Zoro's other Stats (Strength = Physical Power - Haki were all the same).
3- Zoro blocking Hakai was thanks to his own Strength not Enma (Continued the fight) Proof of his already Superior to Luffy before Wano.
4- Luffy getting KOed by Ragnarok without blocking it but remains mostly intact proof that his training helped him. in ACT 1 he didn't wake up until Udon.

In Short Zoro's Strength were ambigous througout the time skip but Hakai proved to me that Zoro could tank Pre Rooftop G4 attacks hence why i say Zoro was stronger than Luffy before Wano. But now he isn't because Nika dwarves all.

 

[Erkan12]

My point does stand you even proved it yourself.

- Zoro Cutting Kaido's Scales and Scarring Kaido is only thanks to Enma and his own Strength that allowed him to do that Law has nothing to do with these two. Without his Mastery of Haki and his own Stats there was no way for him to control Enma.

- Law only helped Zoro in his failed attempt at Dragon Blaze which is a 1 Sword Style and one of his Strongest Attacks. Getting Carried Debunked.

- (Needing Mink Medicine to return..) are you for real? Are you really comparing Ragnarok to Hakai? Their reaction alone to these two attacks is an indication of how dangereous these two attacks were... Hakai everyone shat their pants. Ragnarok only Zoro reacted to it by screaming Luffy. You can bet on it If Luffy or anyone got hit by Hakai they would use that medicine too.

- Luffy getting KOed by Ragnarok and Zoro survivng and continuing the fight after Hakai is proof enough of Zoro's Strength rivaling Luffy at that point not even weaker.

- (Nerfed Killer giving him diff cuz Zoro using two swords). I have debunked this claim by telling you about two of Zoro's strongest attacks are 1 sword style. Zoro Physical Strength Made Killer Struggle to get his weapon back from Zoro's Shoulders. That fight was on Zoro's side anyways but the monk made it go faster.

- (Struggling against Hawkins..) LMAO. Ok this is easy.. Zoro was protecting Tama and Luffy so he took those hits on.. he could have dodged those he couldn't block but he had to take it on. Luffy was KOed by Apoo. These proves nothing because because we know both Luffy and Zoro would shit on Hawkins Apoo and Killer.

- (Asking Orlumbus to beat Pica) ok so Zoro needing help to teleport or fly means hes weak? LMFAO .. these scenarios he used his own Strength to win he only needed the mobilty help nothing more.

- (Zoro was weaker when Luffy beat Doffy Cracker and Kata..) You are just writing things at this point randomly LMAO. Simple asnwer as i stated before Zoro for the Majority of the time skip was unchecked and wasn't pushed at all until Wano's Rooftop and King's. So this is telling you exactly that Zoro was already that strong and that Enma power up? that was for Kaido.

So how come you are only naming these moments without explanation or proof.. You are only saying Zoro got teleported = Weak. What...

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I see ZKKclown got mad and wrote an essay to reply Writing an essay won't make ZKK real.

Could Zolo accomplish his Rooftop feats without Enma, fire cutting and Law's teleportation? Nope. Its that simple, you arguing that Post-TS Zolo was stronger than Post-TS Luffy due to Rooftop feats which he did only due to recent power ups is a retarded argument.

In the end, Zolo achieved nothing but 30 broken bones and couldn't return to the battle without the help of Law, and then Sanji carrying him, then Marco saving him, then Mink Medicine healing him. He turned into a complete hindrance to others because he wanted to try Enma vs Kaido.

Luffy beat Dof, Cracker, Katakuri. Meanwhile without Enma power up Zolo took help from Orlumbus to beat Pica, fought against Nerfed Killer and Hawkins, these are not comparable at all, Dressrosa Luffy would beat Pre-Enma Zolo, and WCI Luffy would Pre-Enma easily, it wouldn't even be close. Zolo's best feat is extreme-diff winning vs Alber, who is around Katakuri level. Luffy already accomplished that feat in WCI. Right now Zolo isn't even stronger than WCI Luffy, you are trully retarded if you believe Post-TS Zolo was stronger than Post-TS Luffy.

Here is one final breakdown for you:-

1 - Luffy went throu multiple diff fights + training his Strength in Udon + Haki to be Rooftop ready.
2- Zoro AP got boosted by Enma to be Rooftop ready. Zoro's other Stats (Strength = Physical Power - Haki were all the same).
3- Zoro blocking Hakai was thanks to his own Strength not Enma (Continued the fight) Proof of his already Superior to Luffy before Wano.
4- Luffy getting KOed by Ragnarok without blocking it but remains mostly intact proof that his training helped him. in ACT 1 he didn't wake up until Udon.

In Short Zoro's Strength were ambigous througout the time skip but Hakai proved to me that Zoro could tank Pre Rooftop G4 attacks hence why i say Zoro was stronger than Luffy before Wano. But now he isn't because Nika dwarves all.

Zolo blocked Hakai for only few seconds, they escaped and attack landed. Zolo got 30 broken bones, and was the only one who was KOed on Rooftop as a result of that, needed Mink Medicine to continue. Zolo needed Orlumbus and Law's teleportation to accomplish his feats, Luffy doesn't need that, he is a lot faster.

Luffy took more attacks from Kaido, compared to blocking Hakai for few seconds, Luffy showed much better durability than Zolo, and already better speed, only their attack power are close.

Rooftop Zolo was getting low-diffed by Alber who is around Katakuri level, WCI Luffy already surpassed that level.

Post-TS Luffy > Post-TS Zolo (Zolo admitted in Fishman island and vs Pica).
Even WCI Luffy > Rooftop Zolo by Alber/Katakuri scaling.


Zolo himself admitted in Fishman Island, Luffy > him, they can use CoO Haki to sense power levels.

 

[nik87]

Zolo himself admitted in Fishman Island, Luffy > him, they can use CoO Haki to sense power levels.

He didn't. It is all in your head.

 

[Warine]

It's a hidden Blackbeard > Kuzan thread

It's a hidden Blackbeard>shilliew thread actually