Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

People work that way, bro.

Only very few influencable people. Most people are not influenced in their values just because of a someone calling them a certain way.

Nazis becoming Nazis because they were called Nazis is a myth. Nazi are Nazi because they believe in Nazi stuff.

That's how society works. Aren't you about sociology yet don't know some of the basics?

Ok. Convince me. Give me some studies showing that people are pushed toward far right ideologies simply because some people label them as problematic people.

I can't wait to learn something !

Trump winning will directly have a negative effect on my life yet I m laughing

Not everyone think that it is a laughing matter

 

[Okamakama]

nope but Trump's foreign trading policies are gonna be a huge pain

I personally think America prioritizing their own grassroots companies rather than focusing on importing and outsourcing from the third world is not necessarily something you should begrudge.

 

[AL sama]

Only very few influencable people. Most people are not influenced in their values just because of a someone calling them a certain way.

Nazis becoming Nazis because they were called Nazis is a myth. Nazi are Nazi because they believe in Nazi stuff.

Ok. Convince me. Give me some studies showing that people are pushed toward far right ideologies simply because some people label them as problematic people.

I can't wait to learn something !



Not everyone think that it is a laughing matter

just a friendly warning consider your words carefully if you don't wanna get banned

 

[Logiko]

just a friendly warning consider your words carefully if you don't wanna get banned

Oh?

You have a problem with what here ? You are raising the bar of moderation for me ?

People hating on Trans was fine, but you can't stand me sharing a leftist sketch ?



Interesting.

 

[Okamakama]

Oh?

You have a problem with what here ? You are are raising the bar of moderation for me ?

People hating on Trans was fine, but you can't stand me sharing a leftist sketch ?



Interesting.

Nobody hated on that. You shouldn't call/allude to people with the N word.

 

[Ultra]

Ok. Convince me. Give me some studies showing that people are pushed toward far right ideologies simply because some people label them as problematic people.

I can't wait to learn something !

Not really the kind of statement you can refute with lack of evidence via study, it's a transient phenomena that's also highly contextual. But more men voted for Trump across all age brackets, which is the demographic currently being paid very little lip service to.

 

[AL sama]

I personally think America prioritizing their own grassroots companies rather than focusing on importing and outsourcing from the third world is not necessarily something you should begrudge.

I m not holding a grudge but the fact of the matter is that its gonna be a huge pain

 

[Logiko]

Nobody hated on that. You shouldn't call people the N word.

I don't remember calling any one a Nazi here.

Feel free to quote me doing that. I'm not even calling Trump like that.

Not really the kind of statement you can refute with lack of evidence via study

Then if there is no evidence. There is no reason to believe that it's a thing.

Reactance pushing people toward problematic ideology is a scam, a myth. Pushed by people on the far right to justify their ideologies and liberals to divide and conquer.

You never see leftist going even more to the left becuse they were called "woke". That's nonsense.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

tbh I think the left in America needs to tolerate the fact that some states have regressive cultures and that the only way to exist in a union with these people is to allow them to govern themselves under these cultures.

Progressives in America think that because their values are better, they should impose them on states that don’t actually want them. For certain things, I think the federal government does need to step in. Slavery and segregation were such instances. States shouldn’t have the right to commit human rights violations.

But a lot of modern progressive issues tbh don’t need to be hamfisted down the state’s throats.

 

[Logiko]

Progressives in America think that because their values are better, they should impose them on states that don’t actually want them.

You are right.. Let's let states create libertarian zones twhere cities will be barricaded by huge walls, the police privatized and in the middle, big chunk of Fall Out type lawless lands.

That should be fun.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Like I don’t think the Supreme Court should have mandated every state to recognize gay marriage.

Do I support gay marriage? Yes

but also it’s a fact not every state supports it. If liberal states try to impose their values on conservative states, imo it only breeds resentment.

Same with abortion

I think conservative states have the right to govern themselves in regressive ways so long as they aren’t committing major human rights violations.

The west doesn’t try to force Islamic countries to accept our values, don’t think we should treat Christian fundamentalist states the same ways
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You are right.. Let's let states create libertarian zones twhere cities will be barricaded by huge walls, the police privatized and in the middle, big chunk of Fall Out type lawless lands.

That should be fun.

America is essentially an empire

Empires can only exist if the imperial power is tolerant of the cultures of the different subjects.

It tbh seems like Liberal culture is hostile to the cultures of the right wing states, and wants to force liberal values onto them.

While I do support such sentiments, why is any of this the federal government’s job?

 

[Ultra]

Then if there is no evidence. There is no reason to believe that it's a thing.

Reactance pushing people toward problematic ideology is a scam, a myth. Pushed by people on the far right to justify their ideologies and liberals to divide and conquer.

You never see leftist going even more to the left becuse they were called "woke". That's nonsense.

The shift in voting pattern among men demands some explanation.

It's probably less about being accused of a specific thing and being pushed out as a demographic that needs any sort of attention of collective bargaining with, the current cultural zeitgeist among the left is that men are privileged and don't need anything. Democrats are losing out on Blue collar guys because the platform is less about workers rights and economics for middle class family men and more about pandering to women and pandering to minority demographics and non citizens. It's obvious why more men are voting right.

 

[AL sama]

but also it’s a fact not every state supports it. If liberal states try to impose their values on conservative states, imo it only breeds resentment.

lets be fair that falls under human rights

 

[Uncle Van]

Ok. Convince me. Give me some studies showing that people are pushed toward far right ideologies simply because some people label them as problematic people.

One side talks the them....the other calls them racist, sexist etc mostly without evidence. Who is gonna side with who I wonder? I'm not surprised you don't know something so simple.

 

[AL sama]

One side talks the them....the other calls them racist, sexist etc mostly without evidence. Who is gonna side with who I wonder? I'm not surprised you don't know something so simple.

don't entertain him anymore

 

[Ultra]

tbh I think the left in America needs to tolerate the fact that some states have regressive cultures and that the only way to exist in a union with these people is to allow them to govern themselves under these cultures.

Progressives in America think that because their values are better, they should impose them on states that don’t actually want them. For certain things, I think the federal government does need to step in. Slavery and segregation were such instances. States shouldn’t have the right to commit human rights violations.

But a lot of modern progressive issues tbh don’t need to be hamfisted down the state’s throats.

Dems have an tenuous dynamic with their voting base because most minority groups are far more socially conservative than whites and generally aren't pro LGBTQ especially the further you get down the alphabet. If they learn their lesson (probably not), they'd drop the baggage. The latte liberals will still vote for them.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

lets be fair that falls under human rights

Maybe, but it’s not a particularly significant one.

Gay people in red states could still be in gay relationships before states were mandated to acknowledge gay marriage.

 

[Logiko]

The shift in voting pattern among men demands some explanation.

What shift ? There is only a small rise for latino mens and a very faint one for black men, the rest has been steady since 2016

Democrats are losing out on Blue collar guys because the platform is less about workers rights and economics for middle class family men

Now this is true.

It's obvious why more men are voting right.

No, that's not the reason why some men are voting right lol.

Men are voting for Trump because they do not suffer any prejudice. Look at the differences between white men and women and the rest.

One side talks the them....the other calls them racist, sexist etc mostly without evidence.

We have evidences mate. That's the problem. You ignore them.

Who is gonna side with who I wonder? I'm not surprised you don't know something so simple.

Those who understand the problem with usually side with those who also understand the problem.

don't entertain him anymore

It's funny how I never this this type of argumentation when other people are spreading their hatred of others here. It's says a lot.

 

[Okamakama]

What shift ? There is only a small rise for latino mens and a very faint one for black men, the rest has been steady since 2016



Now this is true.



No, that's not the reason why some men are voting right lol.

Men are voting for Trump because they do not suffer any prejudice. Look at the differences between white men and women and the rest.

We have evidences mate. That's the problem. You ignore them.



Those who understand the problem with usually side with those who also understand the problem.





It's funny how I never this this type of argumentation when other people are spreading their hatred of others here. It's says a lot.

Trump.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Dems have an tenuous dynamic with their voting base because most minority groups are far more socially conservative than whites and generally aren't pro LGBTQ especially the further you get down the alphabet. If they learn their lesson (probably not), they'd drop the baggage. The latte liberals will still vote for them.

I’m not anti-lgbt in any way

I just think it’s important to realize that America is a massive and diverse country and not every state has the same culture.

Bible Belt states believe abortion is murder. They thought this back when RvW happened and they still think it to this day.

It’s a waste of time trying to force them to accept liberal values. Instead the federal government should focus on things that people in those states could materially benefit from.