The topic might have already been made (maybe by me lol, it's true that I talk a lot about cross guild) but I would like this one to be the definitive one.
First of all I want to share some thoughts on the matter . Everyone at least heard it once, one piece is first and foremost a manga about pirates and I think there is some truth to it.
It's pretty clear for everyone that cg's function is the same as the WG whether it's through the bounty system or just their ambitions (the one piece, ancient weapons, world domination). The thing is they're not nearly as massive as them but here is the deal, not nearly as massive yet.
Why do I think so?
-Well what's the point of just having an entrée when we can have the whole meal?
-Cross guild will for sure get some new key members meaning it will expend.
-My main proof, The rocks' pirates:
Did y'all either thought about rock's pirates existence, like why do these guys exist? They did kind of came out of nowhere.
In my opinion Oda created them to justify the existence of something else, Cross Guild.
The role they play is to engrave CG in a legacy. Both of them are counter powers, the rocks' pirates were the biggest threat to the WG and were written off history, cross guild will offer the same fate to the WG.
CG and the Rocks' pirates are both pirate crews who do not obey their captains at all and as of right now in the manga, it's the only concrete parallel between them. Maybe alongside something else that I will address later.
At this point it's not really a new one but I believe there is a direct link between them through the crews' respective captains, Rocks and Buggy. Buggy main rival is shanks, they are as old as each other, they now each other since forever, they are both emperors, one is red, the other is blue, one is a swordsman, the other got the dice fruit, one is a weakling, the other is uber strong etc. I won't dig too deep, it's some fairly obvious stuff. What we know about shanks that we don't about buggy is his parentage. Shanks is the son of Garling Figarland, wg's top man who was introduced at god valley (timeline wise at least). Coincidentally or not, it's just like rocks D Xebec, wg's fiercest enemy. I think you know were I am going now if you didn't already, yes Buggy is the son of Rocks d Xebec.
Like seriously, someone who fought garp and Roger together? It's a page straight out of buggy's book.
Considering shanks might have a twin, some might think Blackbeard is buggy's brother but it's just too contrivied for it to happen.
While Garling is alive as of right now, his will will die with him or might be already dead, on the contrary, Rock's while dead is still alive through buggy. His supposed goal was to become the king of the world, something the clown will achieve.
Buggy might have explicitly said it during marineford but I think the line which foreshadow it the most is during his fight against Luffy. He essentially said that every treasure in the world would be his, while it was more so about gold in his head, in one piece, one man's treasure can be another one's trash. So essentially everything that matter will be his, not just the gold. We learned recently that the WG took beehive's biggest treasure, while right now it seems like it was some df, the truth is that it was buggy. In some extra materials it was revealed that shanks was found in a treasure chest, you get it, there is no coincidence.
In more than a way, the WG is like a snake, it can change it's skin but ultimately the inside stays the same. CG will be different on paper but it won't change the system, the pirates will simply becomes the one who rules hence why some of my picks for cg which might sounds odd from the outside.
But why don't people see it this way, why do YOU 🫵see it this way as matter of fact? Cross guild is just another run of the mill emperor crew am I right, they are just here to ties in every loose end? Well I know it you know it, it all comes down to powerscaling.
Mihawk, crocodile and that's essentially it, it just do not compare to a crew basically composed of the 4 emperors. These guys are simply not end game material am I right? Well that's a you problem, and in my opinion they are not so far off the rocks' pirates strength already but that's just me.
Let's look at it from another angle, when was cross guild introduced? It happened during the chapter 1053, when we got the new bounty of Luffy, Kidd and Law. This is not anecdotical in the slightest for one reason, each cross guild's executive as of right now is a parallel to one of these three. Kidd is 20 years younger than Mihawk, Luffy is 20 years younger than buggy and law is 20 years younger than crocodile.
You can go off @Erkan12, @Albino 👑 , mihawk is getting one shotted soon, he got defeated by big mom. More seriously, I think you have to single out some elements of their life to make it make sense rather than expecting all of them to suffer the exact same fate. Law switched sex although temporarily and crocodile is basically law if he joined the doflamingo family. Kidd is a conqueror and it's rather odd because he just doesn't really use it. I think it's purpose is just to indicate mihawk is (obviously) a conqueror, this one is a stretch I'll admit it, I think he gave it to Kidd to give an impression it's not just the Luffy show. Recently we got some glimps on Kidd's past and basically, his childhood girl died. I think mihawk also lost the love of his live and it ties in with shanks in a way or another. This make sense considering the death of kuina started zoro's journey.
Last but not least, Luffy and buggy. There is no common ground in strength let's face it hence why you can forget about the idea of mihawk taking an L, like what is Kidd becoming the WSS?No like I said, it's more so about their past.
Luffy is the son of dragon, the most dangerous man in the world... just like buggy.
Funnily enough the community compared Dragon and Rocks a lot, "Rocks was the first revolutionary, rocks is dragon's real father" etc. and the community was definitely onto something because Oda deliberately made them look similar. The comparison was simply just that, they are the fathers of the protagonist and the antagonist of the story. This is the reason why Oda started with just these 3 rather than making CG the ultimate threat to the world from the get go. He needed to start the narratives around the core 3. Also let's face it, the rock's pirates probably started with just Rocks and Whitebeard so it's not that weird the grand scheme of things.
That's about it for my justification on why I believe CG will become way bigger. There is definitely other elements to talk about but I am too lazy to mention them.
To show clearly that CG is no better than the WG, Oda will probably give them a similar hierarchy so:
1. a shadow leader
2. 5 elders
3. Commander in chief
4. Fleet admiral
4.1. Cipher Pol
4.2. Chief warden
4.3. Godsknight
4.4 shishibukai
5. Admirals
There is some obvious candidates for different positions in my opinion but I didn't think about it too much honestly.
Now the explanation for my picks:
Doflamingo: no explanation needed I think, I put him here solely for people who might think otherwise.
Moria: same goes for him.
Perona: where Moria go, she should follow.
Weevil: he was a shishibukai and there is a match up for him which is a given.
-Yamato: My first "weird" pick, why would Yamato join CG? well Oden Joined Whitebeard before joining Roger and if it wasn't clear, WB was the real captain, rocks was just a figure head so it was essentially wb's first crew/family. Overall it's just a more interesting dynamic than her flat out joining the sh. For her role, I don't think she will be an executive but she will essentially be the new big mom of the Rocks' pirates. As of right now, Yamato is 28 making her the same age as prime mom at gods valley.
Shiki: If Oda wants to reintroduce Shiki, it's now or never, we knows he is power hungry so it would not come as a surprise for him to join the winning team. For his role I would say commander in chief. He does have a similar design to Kong with the rudder on his head which look like Kong's mohawk, the lips, the beard etc. They are around the same age also. Shiki was supposed to be an admiral originally so this check out. Some old people in Cg would add some diversity.
Big mom and Kaido: these two are a package deal, I can imagine that it's hard to picture them joining another crew but it did in fact happen in the past. They could feel compelled to join if they see some of their old mates in the crew also.
Ryokugyu: this pick has more to do with the themes around the organisation. It's opposed to the WG but it's the exact same thing including the people they are hiring. Ryokugyu seems like the kind of guy who will follow whoever is the strongest, right now it's the celestial dragon but if it were to change, his opinion on how the world works might also change. I think he would be the new fleet admiral.
Seraphims: this one just make sense, the WG tried to replace the shishibukai just for them to recruit their replacement. As of right now it's unclear, but CG supposedly got s-croco, s-bat and s-flamingo already. They would play the roles of the new shishibukai.
The vinsmoke family: we know they want to restore their family name, the best way to do it would be to join the new WG as an affiliated country.
The next batch is essentially here for the same reason, they don't have a choice, it was stated that you either join an emperor crew or you die in the new world, while some characters might seems like they would never bend the knee like boa, kidd or katakuri, you have to take into consideration that it's not just about them but also their brothers and sisters, crewmates etc.
Boa Hancock: it's hard to imagine her anywhere else, she was one of the original shishibukai so it feels really natural for her to be there. The kuja clan would be a CG aligned country.
Kidd: the idea is that the world of one piece is really polarised so if law is aligned with the straw hat, then I would expect Kidd to be on the other side.
Beast pirates and big mom pirates: their territories are hiding 2 poneglyphs and we know buggy do not want to engage in a fight against everyone for the race to the one piece, so it would make sense for him to directly go for the poneglyph like roger did in the past. Pekoms who is most likely still alive would give them the location of the 3rd one.
Now the match up:
First the 3 current executive:
Buggy with one or the 3 ancient weapons against Luffy or maybe Luffy (Poseidon), sabo (Uranus) and Coby (pluton). It's a good non serious and serious fight at the same time for closure.
Mihawk Vs zoro: no justification needed.
Sanji vs crocodile: There is a lot to say about this one but I don't have the strength right now and we all know it's a locked match up anyway.
Now the 2 biggest prospects:
Doflamingo vs Law: Let's face it Law never really got his revenge on doflamingo and it's just a cool puppeteer fight.
Moria vs Perona/Moria vs brook: I think both match up make sense, Perona is supposedly one of the good guy so she would most likely oppose Moria if it's needed and brook has to get his get back.
Yamato vs Kaido: an internal fight in cg. It's definitely on brand.
Boa Hancock Vs big mom/boa Hancock, Nami and robin Vs smoothie and big mom: again both match up make sense for me, we ve got the new pirate empress vs the old one or a girl power fight which is very on brand with Oda.
Queen vs Franky: father Vs son, classic
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King vs Barto/king vs Cavendish: both match up make sense, they ve got some similar kit.
Katakuri vs Barto/katakari vs Cavendish: it's the exact same thing.
Ryokugyu vs Fujitora: fleet admiral Vs fleet admiral, they are form the same batch and they hate each other.
Kidd vs law/Kidd vs prince grus: Kidd vs Law is a given so I add to mention it at least, Kidd vs prince grus would be the new shiki Vs Sengoku. Kidd play with scrap and grus play with mud, they re both the same heigh weirdly enough.
Weevil vs Usopp: this is the perfect David vs Goliath, one is the strongest, the other is a weakling with a slingshot. Both got a lot going on with their respective father but still respect them nonetheless.
Shiki vs Rayleigh: I always wondered what did Oda plan for Rayleigh, why is he still around and what's the point of keeping a secret his bounty. That would be an answer.
Momonosuke Vs s-hawk: s-hawk is a straight upgrade from Momonosuke it's true. Nonetheless I expect them to be the new Shanks vs Mihawk, but this time as actual equals.
First of all I want to share some thoughts on the matter . Everyone at least heard it once, one piece is first and foremost a manga about pirates and I think there is some truth to it.
It's pretty clear for everyone that cg's function is the same as the WG whether it's through the bounty system or just their ambitions (the one piece, ancient weapons, world domination). The thing is they're not nearly as massive as them but here is the deal, not nearly as massive yet.
Why do I think so?
-Well what's the point of just having an entrée when we can have the whole meal?
-Cross guild will for sure get some new key members meaning it will expend.
-My main proof, The rocks' pirates:
Did y'all either thought about rock's pirates existence, like why do these guys exist? They did kind of came out of nowhere.
In my opinion Oda created them to justify the existence of something else, Cross Guild.
The role they play is to engrave CG in a legacy. Both of them are counter powers, the rocks' pirates were the biggest threat to the WG and were written off history, cross guild will offer the same fate to the WG.
CG and the Rocks' pirates are both pirate crews who do not obey their captains at all and as of right now in the manga, it's the only concrete parallel between them. Maybe alongside something else that I will address later.
At this point it's not really a new one but I believe there is a direct link between them through the crews' respective captains, Rocks and Buggy. Buggy main rival is shanks, they are as old as each other, they now each other since forever, they are both emperors, one is red, the other is blue, one is a swordsman, the other got the dice fruit, one is a weakling, the other is uber strong etc. I won't dig too deep, it's some fairly obvious stuff. What we know about shanks that we don't about buggy is his parentage. Shanks is the son of Garling Figarland, wg's top man who was introduced at god valley (timeline wise at least). Coincidentally or not, it's just like rocks D Xebec, wg's fiercest enemy. I think you know were I am going now if you didn't already, yes Buggy is the son of Rocks d Xebec.
Like seriously, someone who fought garp and Roger together? It's a page straight out of buggy's book.
Considering shanks might have a twin, some might think Blackbeard is buggy's brother but it's just too contrivied for it to happen.
While Garling is alive as of right now, his will will die with him or might be already dead, on the contrary, Rock's while dead is still alive through buggy. His supposed goal was to become the king of the world, something the clown will achieve.
Buggy might have explicitly said it during marineford but I think the line which foreshadow it the most is during his fight against Luffy. He essentially said that every treasure in the world would be his, while it was more so about gold in his head, in one piece, one man's treasure can be another one's trash. So essentially everything that matter will be his, not just the gold. We learned recently that the WG took beehive's biggest treasure, while right now it seems like it was some df, the truth is that it was buggy. In some extra materials it was revealed that shanks was found in a treasure chest, you get it, there is no coincidence.
In more than a way, the WG is like a snake, it can change it's skin but ultimately the inside stays the same. CG will be different on paper but it won't change the system, the pirates will simply becomes the one who rules hence why some of my picks for cg which might sounds odd from the outside.
But why don't people see it this way, why do YOU 🫵see it this way as matter of fact? Cross guild is just another run of the mill emperor crew am I right, they are just here to ties in every loose end? Well I know it you know it, it all comes down to powerscaling.
Mihawk, crocodile and that's essentially it, it just do not compare to a crew basically composed of the 4 emperors. These guys are simply not end game material am I right? Well that's a you problem, and in my opinion they are not so far off the rocks' pirates strength already but that's just me.
Let's look at it from another angle, when was cross guild introduced? It happened during the chapter 1053, when we got the new bounty of Luffy, Kidd and Law. This is not anecdotical in the slightest for one reason, each cross guild's executive as of right now is a parallel to one of these three. Kidd is 20 years younger than Mihawk, Luffy is 20 years younger than buggy and law is 20 years younger than crocodile.
You can go off @Erkan12, @Albino 👑 , mihawk is getting one shotted soon, he got defeated by big mom. More seriously, I think you have to single out some elements of their life to make it make sense rather than expecting all of them to suffer the exact same fate. Law switched sex although temporarily and crocodile is basically law if he joined the doflamingo family. Kidd is a conqueror and it's rather odd because he just doesn't really use it. I think it's purpose is just to indicate mihawk is (obviously) a conqueror, this one is a stretch I'll admit it, I think he gave it to Kidd to give an impression it's not just the Luffy show. Recently we got some glimps on Kidd's past and basically, his childhood girl died. I think mihawk also lost the love of his live and it ties in with shanks in a way or another. This make sense considering the death of kuina started zoro's journey.
Last but not least, Luffy and buggy. There is no common ground in strength let's face it hence why you can forget about the idea of mihawk taking an L, like what is Kidd becoming the WSS?No like I said, it's more so about their past.
Luffy is the son of dragon, the most dangerous man in the world... just like buggy.
Funnily enough the community compared Dragon and Rocks a lot, "Rocks was the first revolutionary, rocks is dragon's real father" etc. and the community was definitely onto something because Oda deliberately made them look similar. The comparison was simply just that, they are the fathers of the protagonist and the antagonist of the story. This is the reason why Oda started with just these 3 rather than making CG the ultimate threat to the world from the get go. He needed to start the narratives around the core 3. Also let's face it, the rock's pirates probably started with just Rocks and Whitebeard so it's not that weird the grand scheme of things.
That's about it for my justification on why I believe CG will become way bigger. There is definitely other elements to talk about but I am too lazy to mention them.
To show clearly that CG is no better than the WG, Oda will probably give them a similar hierarchy so:
1. a shadow leader
2. 5 elders
3. Commander in chief
4. Fleet admiral
4.1. Cipher Pol
4.2. Chief warden
4.3. Godsknight
4.4 shishibukai
5. Admirals
There is some obvious candidates for different positions in my opinion but I didn't think about it too much honestly.
Now the explanation for my picks:
Doflamingo: no explanation needed I think, I put him here solely for people who might think otherwise.
Moria: same goes for him.
Perona: where Moria go, she should follow.
Weevil: he was a shishibukai and there is a match up for him which is a given.
-Yamato: My first "weird" pick, why would Yamato join CG? well Oden Joined Whitebeard before joining Roger and if it wasn't clear, WB was the real captain, rocks was just a figure head so it was essentially wb's first crew/family. Overall it's just a more interesting dynamic than her flat out joining the sh. For her role, I don't think she will be an executive but she will essentially be the new big mom of the Rocks' pirates. As of right now, Yamato is 28 making her the same age as prime mom at gods valley.
Shiki: If Oda wants to reintroduce Shiki, it's now or never, we knows he is power hungry so it would not come as a surprise for him to join the winning team. For his role I would say commander in chief. He does have a similar design to Kong with the rudder on his head which look like Kong's mohawk, the lips, the beard etc. They are around the same age also. Shiki was supposed to be an admiral originally so this check out. Some old people in Cg would add some diversity.
Big mom and Kaido: these two are a package deal, I can imagine that it's hard to picture them joining another crew but it did in fact happen in the past. They could feel compelled to join if they see some of their old mates in the crew also.
Ryokugyu: this pick has more to do with the themes around the organisation. It's opposed to the WG but it's the exact same thing including the people they are hiring. Ryokugyu seems like the kind of guy who will follow whoever is the strongest, right now it's the celestial dragon but if it were to change, his opinion on how the world works might also change. I think he would be the new fleet admiral.
Seraphims: this one just make sense, the WG tried to replace the shishibukai just for them to recruit their replacement. As of right now it's unclear, but CG supposedly got s-croco, s-bat and s-flamingo already. They would play the roles of the new shishibukai.
The vinsmoke family: we know they want to restore their family name, the best way to do it would be to join the new WG as an affiliated country.
The next batch is essentially here for the same reason, they don't have a choice, it was stated that you either join an emperor crew or you die in the new world, while some characters might seems like they would never bend the knee like boa, kidd or katakuri, you have to take into consideration that it's not just about them but also their brothers and sisters, crewmates etc.
Boa Hancock: it's hard to imagine her anywhere else, she was one of the original shishibukai so it feels really natural for her to be there. The kuja clan would be a CG aligned country.
Kidd: the idea is that the world of one piece is really polarised so if law is aligned with the straw hat, then I would expect Kidd to be on the other side.
Beast pirates and big mom pirates: their territories are hiding 2 poneglyphs and we know buggy do not want to engage in a fight against everyone for the race to the one piece, so it would make sense for him to directly go for the poneglyph like roger did in the past. Pekoms who is most likely still alive would give them the location of the 3rd one.
Now the match up:
First the 3 current executive:
Buggy with one or the 3 ancient weapons against Luffy or maybe Luffy (Poseidon), sabo (Uranus) and Coby (pluton). It's a good non serious and serious fight at the same time for closure.
Mihawk Vs zoro: no justification needed.
Sanji vs crocodile: There is a lot to say about this one but I don't have the strength right now and we all know it's a locked match up anyway.
Now the 2 biggest prospects:
Doflamingo vs Law: Let's face it Law never really got his revenge on doflamingo and it's just a cool puppeteer fight.
Moria vs Perona/Moria vs brook: I think both match up make sense, Perona is supposedly one of the good guy so she would most likely oppose Moria if it's needed and brook has to get his get back.
Yamato vs Kaido: an internal fight in cg. It's definitely on brand.
Boa Hancock Vs big mom/boa Hancock, Nami and robin Vs smoothie and big mom: again both match up make sense for me, we ve got the new pirate empress vs the old one or a girl power fight which is very on brand with Oda.
Queen vs Franky: father Vs son, classic
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King vs Barto/king vs Cavendish: both match up make sense, they ve got some similar kit.
Katakuri vs Barto/katakari vs Cavendish: it's the exact same thing.
Ryokugyu vs Fujitora: fleet admiral Vs fleet admiral, they are form the same batch and they hate each other.
Kidd vs law/Kidd vs prince grus: Kidd vs Law is a given so I add to mention it at least, Kidd vs prince grus would be the new shiki Vs Sengoku. Kidd play with scrap and grus play with mud, they re both the same heigh weirdly enough.
Weevil vs Usopp: this is the perfect David vs Goliath, one is the strongest, the other is a weakling with a slingshot. Both got a lot going on with their respective father but still respect them nonetheless.
Shiki vs Rayleigh: I always wondered what did Oda plan for Rayleigh, why is he still around and what's the point of keeping a secret his bounty. That would be an answer.
Momonosuke Vs s-hawk: s-hawk is a straight upgrade from Momonosuke it's true. Nonetheless I expect them to be the new Shanks vs Mihawk, but this time as actual equals.
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