Speculations Loki was defeated by Shanks

[Jesse Pinkman]

- Brief Synopsis

1. Loki knows about Shanks and he has intel why he was in Elbaf .

2. Shanks became Yonko 6 years ago . It hasn’t been mentioned what incident made him an Emperor ?

3. Loki killed his father and obtained his devil fruit hence the kairoseki chain makes sense Devil fruit power is ineffective . His Ancient devil fruit is so powerful Govt placed him special tag .

Putting altogether it makes sense Shanks did a favor to Giant and helped them defeat Loki . Who wanted to be King of Elbaf and probably was looking to ally with Big mom on quest for One piece . (Another reason he is hated in Elbaf because he was open to marry Big Mom’s daughter ) .

 

[Erkan12]

- Brief Synopsis

1. Loki knows about Shanks and he has intel why was he in Elbaf.

2. Shanks became Yonko 6 years ago . It hasn’t been mentioned what incident made him an Emperor ?

3. Loki killed his father and obtained his devil fruit hence the kairoseki chain makes sense Devil fruit power is ineffective . His Ancient devil fruit is so powerful Govt placed him special tag .

Putting altogether it makes sense Shanks did a favor to Giant and helped them defeat Loki . Who wanted to be King of Elbaf and probably was looking to ally with Big mom on quest for One piece . (Another reason he is hated in Elbaf because he was open to marry Big Mom’s daughter ) .

If its true, I wonder if Shanks got a powerup or not to defeat 2.6 billion Loki 6 years ago.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

If it’s true, I wonder if Shanks got a powerup or not to defeat 2.6 billion Loki 6 years ago.

Shanks probably was already Yonko level this incident definitely made him famous .

I think he (Loki) wanted to ally with Big mom if Lola’s arranged marriage makes sense . Govt probably saw Shanks as strong mediator who can stop Yonkos from forming alliance .

That’s why he went to Wano as well to stop the alliance .

 

[MonsterKaido]

Yes. Good possibility. Shanks flexed on loki.

 

[NexusLord]

Yeah the RAT 🐀 attacked Loki and Loki wasn't even a villain. It was his DAD who was a villain, and because Shanks fought Loki then Luffy is a villain now too.

Imagine using coc attacks on a misunderstood person. Shanks is a piece of shit. Luffy is evil now too because Shanks helped his evil dad, and now Luffy is helping evil Shanks.

It's so stupid. Why don't they understand Loki isn't a villain. He's just a nice person.

 

[Kiri]

I mean it would explain why the giants like shanks so much, if he captured loki he saved them a lot of trouble

However it means that Loki would have been able to handle the giants if not for shanks interference, so if Loki had a vendetta against shanks because of that I wouldn't blame him

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

Somehow I feel Film Red foreshadowed this despite being non canon ofc. In that Shanks took down Tot Musica, a literal-demon king and saved the country of Elegia. Tot Musica was gigantic, unstoppable and tyrannical, the biggest threat in many ways. Sound familiar? (Lol that pun on sound too.)

That plotline felt like a road test for Elbaf in hindsight. Uta and Loki might end up similar in some ways too? Idk.

Film Red had mushrooms that put you to sleep and made you hallucinate iirc, Uta could make illusions and manipulate reality and Loki is known to do the same in myths?
Plus we had that sleeping mist that knocked out the SHs too?

I'm probs stretching harder than Luffy does though lol.

That 6 year mention by Oda and Shanks being on elbaf before, having a norse ship and loki hating him are definitely not coincidence ofc. I was even thinking before I saw this thread on how and where Shanks got gryphon, maybe it was forged by legendary blacksmiths in Elbaf and given as a thank you gift for helping vs Loki? Although how long has Shanks had Gryphon too though tbf?

Also I'd like to know how the Roger Pirates were in Elbaf, I don't think we saw it in the Oden flashback iirc?
Maybe they would be fond of Shanks due to their history with the Roger Pirates too and thus Shanks being his successor in some ways and honorary son?

But yeah I definitely feel Shanks took down Loki one way or another at this point. As you said:

Shanks became Yonko 6 years ago . It hasn’t been mentioned what incident made him an Emperor ?

Oda is keeping this a secret for decades now for a reason too. Well most of 2 decades at least?

I like the idea of Loki being a former emperor and Shanks replacing him, I've seen people theorising Shanks took down or even a killed a former yonko and replaced them, maybe he replaced Shiki but Shiki was never said to be an emperor?

I expected Shiki to have Wano under his command originally or even pirate island potentially but both of those are pretty much out of the question now ofc.

Shanks was definitely made a Yonko due to his strength and crew most of all ofc but I can't wait to hear what incident made him be seen as a Yonko officially. It surely must be defeating Loki now with what we know ofc.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Yes. Good possibility. Shanks flexed on loki.

Shanks defeated Loki probably only wifi diffed him when Loki was struggling against Elbaf warriors. Next time Loki woke up he was already chained in tree.

Meanwhile Kaido only defeated Kaido with hostage.

Elbaf > Wano so Loki > Oden
Damn Kaido is old news nowadays

 

[MonsterKaido]

Shanks defeated Loki probably only wifi diffed him when Loki was struggling against Elbaf warriors. Next time Loki woke up he was already chained in tree.

Proof? Also Kaido didn't even use hybrid against Kaido or most of his arsenal by the looks of it. Shanks 6 years ago could be weaker than current yonko shanks. Wifi diffing is cool but it's not enough to change tide of fight. Shanks needed to use named attack plus debatably kidd's own attack to K.O. kidd.

Better hope luffy uses adv coc against Loki.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

I mean it would explain why the giants like shanks so much, if he captured loki he saved them a lot of trouble

However it means that Loki would have been able to handle the giants if not for shanks interference, so if Loki had a vendetta against shanks because of that I wouldn't blame him

Where's your avi from?

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

You guys are realllly overhyping Loki lol

 

[Topi Jerami]

Proof? Also Kaido didn't even use hybrid against Kaido or most of his arsenal by the looks of it. Shanks 6 years ago could be weaker than current yonko shanks. Wifi diffing is cool but it's not enough to change tide of fight. Shanks needed to use named attack plus debatably kidd's own attack to K.O. kidd.

Better hope luffy uses adv coc against Loki.

Kaido didn't use hybrid against Oden because he didn't have the chance to. Oden was already about to beat him, Kaido didn't have chance to show his hybrid. That's how quickly Oden destroyed Kaido.

While it is the opposite for Shanks's case probably. Loki didn't show his DF power to Shanks because before he could even do it, Shanks wifi diffed and fainted him. Same way to what he did to Kaido 2 years ago and Greenbull recently.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Kaido didn't use hybrid against Oden because he didn't have the chance to. Oden was already about to beat him, Kaido didn't have chance to show his hybrid. That's how quickly Oden destroyed Kaido.

While it is the opposite for Shanks's case probably. Loki didn't show his DF power to Shanks because before he could even do it, Shanks wifi diffed and fainted him. Same way to what he did to Kaido 2 years ago and Greenbull recently.

Oden didn't do anything different than what Zoro did to Kaido i.e. scarring him. Dragon Kaido even fell down by much weaker attack in scabbards togen totsuka.

Yes. Most likely Loki got clapped by pre yonko shanks despite having legendary DF.
Whereas Kaido remained WSC in people's eyes so it's impossible shanks did anything to the beast. Waido reigns supreme

 

[Topi Jerami]

Oden didn't do anything different than what Zoro did to Kaido i.e. scarring him. Dragon Kaido even fell down by much weaker attack in scabbards togen totsuka.

Yes. Most likely Loki got clapped by pre yonko shanks despite having legendary DF.
Whereas Kaido remained WSC in people's eyes so it's impossible shanks did anything to the beast. Waido reigns supreme

Oden scarred Kaido and made him living in PTSD for 20 year
Oden almost killed Kaido if not for old hag's interference

So pre Yonko Shanks clapped Loki which is logically above Oden
While Oden clapped pre yonko Kaido
You: Kaido reigns supreme, how do you genuinely reach that shitty conclusion?

The era of mid story Kaido / Meme is ending
Now is the era of endgamers, Shanks the Aizen and Blackbeard.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Oden scarred Kaido and made him living in PTSD for 20 year
Oden almost killed Kaido if not for old hag's interference

So pre Yonko Shanks clapped Loki which is logically above Oden
While Oden clapped pre yonko Kaido
You: Kaido reigns supreme, how do you genuinely reach that shitty conclusion?

The era of mid story Kaido / Meme is ending
Now is the era of endgamers, Shanks the Aizen and Blackbeard.

Oden was the first to scar Kaido hence the ptsd.
Not really. Kaido immediately got up as we see next chapter. Thats just head canon.

Proof pre yonko shanks > Oden?
Oden said that if he can't beat Kaido , no one else can including shans's superior in roger though. Take that as you will.

Its you who downplaying Waido where manga states otherwise.

Yes. The endgames in Imu and Eos BB. Shanks will be BB victim.

 

[ApostlesBane]

You guys are realllly overhyping Loki lol

Not really. The narrative hypes him up. Btw, he's stronger than Kizaru.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Not really. The narrative hypes him up. Btw, he's stronger than Kizaru.

The narrative hypes up every new character (friend or foe) since chapter 1 and Alvida lmao

 

[Vanlax]

Yep.

Shanks defeated Loki.

Gained Elbaf backing which made him too big not to be called Emperor.

 

[MonsterKaido]

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[moreha9685]

My only problem with this is... can you be a Yonko if you never leave your island?

Elbaf is its own territory, unaffiliated with the WG and strong enough for the WG to not openly try to fuck with it.

If Loki is Elbaf's best, does he earn the title of Yonko even if he does zero pirating?

If Momo were to awaken his DF to a dangerous power level, combined with the samurai force which the Marines claimed to fear, would that alone make him a Yonko? Just because he "owns" territory in the New World?

I have no issue with Shanks becoming a Yonko because he took down Loki and his influence.
But I have a hard time seeing an Elbaf-confined Loki deserving the title of Yonko.