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1. Distinction Between Resistance and Terrorism


  • While resistance against oppression can be legitimate under international law, actions targeting civilians (like those on October 7th) cross the line into terrorism or war crimes.
  • Hamas's deliberate attacks on civilians violate international humanitarian law (IHL) and cannot be justified as resistance. These actions are not legitimate forms of armed struggle but constitute grave breaches of IHL.
2. Accountability for War Crimes


  • Both sides committing war crimes does not justify either side’s actions. While you acknowledges Hamas’s war crimes, then you downplay their impact by framing them as a response to oppression. Accountability must be applied equally, regardless of context.
  • Civilians, whether Israeli or Palestinian, must be protected under international law. No degree of oppression excuses the deliberate targeting of civilians.
3. Legitimacy of Hamas


  • Designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization by multiple countries (e.g., the United States, the European Union) is not "propaganda" but a reflection of Hamas's track record of attacks on civilians. This is distinct from legitimate Palestinian resistance movements that adhere to international norms.
  • Hamas’s governance in Gaza has also been criticized for oppressive practices, including restricting dissent and harming its own civilian population.
I think it depends on where you look, some leftists, unless I misunderstood, specifically authoritarian leftists, like leninists/stalinists said that there are no citizens of the state of Israel and that the citizens themselves are opressing the palestinian people, on a podcast named thedeprogram, but they were called out about it by others,
 
True, may what is good overcome all else, but leftism has not had much of anything in the past while, I'm not an expert on political history but I would say the socialist organizations popping up are leftist wins, antifa, the zapatistas, the resurgence of leftist making information more easily accessible in the past few years,
Indeed. The problem is that leftism in American is not really powerfull. I hope the change in the political landscape will help.

Yeah bro this guy is cooked
Which seems logical with the growth of social media
Well, maybe it come from a bias of mine. And maybe due to the current social status of the left in french youtube media. Where the right is indeed declining.

As you said, people are leaning towards rights because they are simply fed up of the BS these are coming up with
Yes, and also because they do not care to really take a good look for what they are voting and the reality behind those measures. Being fed up doesn't prevent you from doing the right choice.
Hamas's deliberate attacks on civilians violate international humanitarian law (IHL) and cannot be justified as resistance. These actions are not legitimate forms of armed struggle but constitute grave breaches of IHL.
Yes they can.

:kayneshrug:

A war crime doesn't transform you into a terrorist group. Just a reminder that Israel is currently hold responsible of A LOT of war crimes multiple crimes against humanity, a genocide. Remember that they used a bippers attack to create fear without taking children or innocent into consideration.

On this basis, Israel should be named a terrorist state. Which is a nonsense just as much as saying that Hamas is a terrorist organization.

War crime =/= terrorism. By transforming a resistance group into a terrorist one, you are purposefully trying to negate the action of resistance itself.


Both sides committing war crimes does not justify either side’s actions.
Indeed. No one is saying that it does.


While you acknowledges Hamas’s war crimes, then you downplay their impact by framing them as a response to oppression.
No. it's just an historical fact. The action of hamas ARE the result of decades of oppressions. It's a result of the dehumanization of a population and where the group of resistance has no choice but anger and horror as a weapon.

You should watch that (I pinned the right timecode):


Nothing is downplayed. What hamas did is horrible, BUT it is also something that is the result of Israel's actions. It's easy to tell "you have the choice not to act without humanity" when you are not oppressed.

You are not oppressed, so you do not understand what it does. But trust me, spend 70 years under constant oppression and constant dehumanization by a country that treats you like animals and TELL ME that you will have the strenght to raise your children with humanity for the other country or even tell me that children will be able to be "human" with the oppressor.

Humanity and respect is a priviledge of the dominant mate. Once you will be able to understand that, you will understand why what you are saying is pure BS.


No degree of oppression excuses the deliberate targeting of civilians.
Understanding is not excuzing Einstein. Start edfucating yourself on history and the sociology of oppressions and then come back to me with your priviledged reflexions.



esignation of Hamas as a terrorist organization by multiple countries (e.g., the United States, the European Union) is not "propaganda" but a reflection of Hamas's track record of attacks on civilians. This is distinct from legitimate Palestinian resistance movements that adhere to international norms.
No. It's simply a point of view of colonizers from countries that are dominating right now. Nothing more.

If the Nazism was hegemonic in the world, ALL countries would call the french and Italian resistance "terrorist groups". Would they be legitimate in those wordings ? No. That's why it's important to never forget the context when we talk about oppressions.

The fact that a lot of countries are naming them a terrorist group doesn't mean it's justified and legitimate.

Hamas’s governance in Gaza has also been criticized for oppressive practices, including restricting dissent and harming its own civilian population.
Indeed, but it is again, not an argument.

The idea that resistance groups should be clean is a depoliticizing and neive vision of what resistance is.

Again, it's the vision of the colonizers and the dominant. The attack on the "purety" of a resistance group is perfectly inaudible when a population has been dehumanized for decades, oppressed and closed off from the world.
 
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1. Distinction Between Resistance and Terrorism


  • While resistance against oppression can be legitimate under international law, actions targeting civilians (like those on October 7th) cross the line into terrorism or war crimes.
  • Hamas's deliberate attacks on civilians violate international humanitarian law (IHL) and cannot be justified as resistance. These actions are not legitimate forms of armed struggle but constitute grave breaches of IHL.
2. Accountability for War Crimes


  • Both sides committing war crimes does not justify either side’s actions. While you acknowledges Hamas’s war crimes, then you downplay their impact by framing them as a response to oppression. Accountability must be applied equally, regardless of context.
  • Civilians, whether Israeli or Palestinian, must be protected under international law. No degree of oppression excuses the deliberate targeting of civilians.
3. Legitimacy of Hamas


  • Designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization by multiple countries (e.g., the United States, the European Union) is not "propaganda" but a reflection of Hamas's track record of attacks on civilians. This is distinct from legitimate Palestinian resistance movements that adhere to international norms.
  • Hamas’s governance in Gaza has also been criticized for oppressive practices, including restricting dissent and harming its own civilian population.
Palestinians have right to have their own state and so does Israel.


Having that said, I totally agree with you. Anyone who thinks Hamas isn't a terror organization is just stupid and just expose themselves as ignorant one can get.


Hamas in their charter of 1988 advocated murder of Jews and destruction of Israel.

In early 1990s when peace process was getting pushed between Israel and PLO (Oslo accords), Hamas started suicide bombings targetting civilians to disrupt the peace process.

Once Oslo accords were signed, Hamas condemned the accords, as well as the PLO’s and Israel’s recognition of each other and went on a spree of violent attacks targeting civilians.


Yahya Sinwar, the political chief is responsible for killing civilians of more than 30 countries and has committed biggest massacre of Jews since Holocaust.


They used Hospitals (working hospitals treating civilian) as their command centres and take civilians as hostages to negotiate.

And, if you look into their funding then you will clearly see that this organization purpose is governed by geo politics to destroy Israel or destabilize it and not peace between Israel and Palestine.




Palestinians have right to have their State but Hamas is clearly a terror organization.
 
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nyone who thinks Hamas isn't a terror organization is just stupid and just expose themselves as ignorant one can get.
You are the one exposing yourself as completely lost on political history and political analysis.

I debunked this argument time and time again. But guys keep repeating it time and time again. At this point, you guyz are like a broken clock.

I will not do it here, go search a bit, it will make you do some work for once.


In early 1990s when peace process was getting pushed between Israel and PLO (Oslo accords), Hamas started suicide bombings targetting civilians to disrupt the peace process.

Once Oslo accords were signed, Hamas condemned the accords, as well as the PLO’s and Israel’s recognition of each other and went on a spree of violent attacks targeting civilians.


Yahya Sinwar, the political chief is responsible for killing civilians of more than 30 countries and has committed biggest massacre of Jews since Holocaust.


They used Hospitals (working hospitals treating civilian) as their command centres and take civilians as hostages to negotiate.

And, if you look into their funding then you will clearly see that this organization purpose is governed by geo politics to destroy Israel or destabilize it and not peace between Israel and Palestine.
None of this negate the character of the organization as a movement of resistance.

You need to understand (-but I know you won't.. ) that doing war crimes like Bombing civilians (both Israel and Hamas did that *wink* *wink*) or trap bippers destined to a population knowing full well that civilians will be killed (Israel again *wink* *wink*) do NOT create transform said organization into a terrorist one.

Those are acts of war. And you must understand the difference.

(but then again, I'm not naive, I know you won't)


Palestinians have right to have their State but Hamas is clearly a terror organization.
They also have a right of a defense. And you are not in position to say which organization is cleaner than the other.

Let's not forget that if we talk STRICKLY in term of barbarism here we have:

On hamas side:

> Some suicide bombing on civilians
> Rocket being launched on Israel by Hamas and other resistant groups
> War crimes on October 7th and 1000+ death and horrible images

On Israel side:


> The systemic and planned oppression of an entire population including rape, abduction and torture
> Palestinians being raped and tortured in prison systematically, children included.
> The planned colonization of Gaza and Palestine and acts of colonization all over the country
> The systemic dehumanization of Palestinian by the Israelian system
> The Nakba
> 70 + years of ALLL OF THAT
> Most likely 250 000 death because of Israel, most of them horrible and most of them are CHILDREN
> Multiples war crimes and multiple crimes against humanity (including a planned A planned starvation of an entire population)
> Ethnic Cleansing
Etc.

So.. Do not even try to have the balls to relativize the situation here or remove the context behind the actions of Hamas. You are in NO place in legitimacy


Palestinians have the right to a country and they ALSO have the right to defend themselves. It's not a right only Ukrainian have.

Hamas is like IDF, a group that fight on the interest of their people and yeah, they do some very shitty things that should NOT be excuse. But this doesn't change their status as a resistance.

It's not up to you to say how clean a resistance must be to be legitimate.
 
im well aware that you are a lost cause that isnt able to use words correctly.
Using the words correctly is a little bit more complex than just cloning the definition of a dictionnarie .

If you can't understand that words are living concepts that comes with contexts and usages, I can't help you.

Take some classes of linguistic and come back to me when you will have understood why using dictionnary definitions to make an argumentation is considered a faux pas.
 
Using the words correctly is a little bit more complex than just cloning the definition of a dictionnarie .

If you can't understand that words are living concepts that comes with contexts and usages, I can't help you.

Take some classes of linguistic and come back to me when you will have understood why using dictionnary definitions to make an argumentation is considered a faux pas.
Look bro. Take the L. Whilst language is evolving; dictionaries are updated with the evolution of language. You have said something wrong, yet believe and assert your interpretation is the correct one because to say otherwise is to give ground, and we -all- know that is something you will never do in any significant way.

You wish to believe HAMAS is some sort of freedom fighting organization because it upholds your narrow view of morality: Oppressed vs Oppressor.
 
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It’s Joever for Germany , Major companies are laying off big time , but stupid leaders will say we will send billions of € to Ukraine and it’s okay if the economy tanks :milaugh:

I am certain they will find excuse to blame Trump now .
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Using the words correctly is a little bit more complex than just cloning the definition of a dictionnarie .

If you can't understand that words are living concepts that comes with contexts and usages, I can't help you.

Take some classes of linguistic and come back to me when you will have understood why using dictionnary definitions to make an argumentation is considered a faux pas.
So Hamas is terrorist or Freedom fighter according to you ?
 
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