I believe it's entirely facetious to make comments when the most terminally online individual on this thread is the person who calls out the so-called incels the most... :seriously:

Furthermore, in these situations, I find it ironic that the solution to the "incel problem" is often or not derision and mockery, which only leads them further down their rabbit holes. Is it really a surprise that many of those individuals just call their opposers "lib" and become increasingly extreme when all they receive is mockery?

Often or not these are young men with mental health issues, who aren't socially affluent or resource rich. They are lacking in confidence and skills. Yet they are mocked, rejected and cast aside. They are never given a chance to become better people. As a result, it's no wonder they're easily manipulated by people who give them a "solution" even when those solutions are toxic as fuck.

Those mocking them often give them the wrong advice, for there are differences between men and women, and the advice is often female-centric.

The way to 'convert' an incel is to help him better himself without mocking him. It requires the one thing the left has a so-called abundance of: empathy.

We're in one of the loneliest eras of mankind for both men and women. It's a sad state of affairs and most certainly political.
I don’t disagree. But why should we make the politics thread about that when there’s a thread for it already? And why is it that only young lonely men get the benefit of the doubt in your eyes and not people like C4N or myself? I have a lot more empathy for users that are involuntarily celibates and are trying to better themselves than those who blame women for their celibacy, which you seem to be a lot more charitable toward.

You don’t have to respond, I already know the answer.
 
which only leads them further down their rabbit holes.
Reactance because of activism is not a thing is 99% of cases.


The way to 'convert' an incel is to help him better himself without mocking him. It requires the one thing the left has a so-called abundance of: empathy.
Which is not possible to do when the first thing an incel says to you when you try to be empathic is how sexist you are because you think women have it harder.

You do not understand that the lack of empathy is not something that is done because we can't do this on the left, it's not something that is done because it can't work from us.

Empathy will only work when Incels think their are talking to someone with a similar vision of the world. or when they really try to question their own behaviors.

Also, you really do not get the paradox of tolerance. People are not here on the left to be nice with incels, people are here to protect women FROM THEM. Go have tolerance and empathy for those poor souls on your own time if you have the energy to deal with them, don't ask us, especially women to do that when we are already fighting for our lives in most cases.


Marxists think that you must have a really strong state to opress the rich and act the interests of the poor, and that there is nothing more authoritarian than a revolution, because it is imposing the will of the people, and authority is the act of someone imposing their will on someone else,
Unless I missed something, I don't think Marxism is about oppressing the rich, it's simply meant to prevent the bourgeoisie to come in power.

If the abused wife or children run away, do they impose their will, that of not being abused, on the abusive husband, or do they stop the act of his will, that of abusing them, being imposed on them?,
They do not impose anything. They simply stop the abuse from happening.

If someone attacks someone else, and that person fights back, that person is not agressing the one who attacked them, they are defending themselves,
Indeed. Which is a legitimate things to do. But we have to be careful with that assertion because it can be used as a reason for oppression. Israel is doing just that right now.

Rather than talking about who is attacking who and depoliticizing the point by making it an individual problem, we need to repoliticize it and understand the dynamics of domination in presence.

For example, in the case of Incels, men are in a state of domination over women, the reaction of women and leftists who fight with them is therefore legitimate. Same of Israel, Israel is the oppressor in the relation of domination between itself and Palestinians, therefore that action of resistance is legitimate.
 
I believe it's entirely facetious to make comments when the most terminally online individual on this thread is the person who calls out the so-called incels the most... :seriously:

Furthermore, in these situations, I find it ironic that the solution to the "incel problem" is often or not derision and mockery, which only leads them further down their rabbit holes. Is it really a surprise that many of those individuals just call their opposers "lib" and become increasingly extreme when all they receive is mockery?

Often or not these are young men with mental health issues, who aren't socially affluent or resource rich. They are lacking in confidence and skills. Yet they are mocked, rejected and cast aside. They are never given a chance to become better people. As a result, it's no wonder they're easily manipulated by people who give them a "solution" even when those solutions are toxic as fuck.

Those mocking them often give them the wrong advice, for there are differences between men and women, and the advice is often female-centric.

The way to 'convert' an incel is to help him better himself without mocking him. It requires the one thing the left has a so-called abundance of: empathy.

We're in one of the loneliest eras of mankind for both men and women. It's a sad state of affairs and most certainly political.
The reason why there is that response to incels is because it’s outright negative and gross behavior. There is no excuse to be bitter and having mean spirited and sexist ideologies and supporting politics that oppresses people. Not generalizing but look at America right now.

Plenty of help and conversations happens with these people but they refuse like it’s a ideology. Instead they dig deeper, identify with it, build their politics with it. That’s why people are fed up.

Plus a lot of their thing is mocking others. So what do you mean?

You act like anti social person? That’s fine and something else. But act like an anti social person via online AND act like an asshole? Then sorry no sympathy there.

Yes we live in an increasingly lonely time but let’s not pretend these kind of loners are a new thing.
 
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Reactance because of activism is not a thing is 99% of cases.



Which is not possible to do when the first thing an incel says to you when you try to be empathic is how sexist you are because you think women have it harder.

You do not understand that the lack of empathy is not something that is done because we can't do this on the left, it's not something that is done because it can't work from us.

Empathy will only work when Incels think their are talking to someone with a similar vision of the world. or when they really try to question their own behaviors.

Also, you really do not get the paradox of tolerance. People are not here on the left to be nice with incels, people are here to protect women FROM THEM. Go have tolerance and empathy for those poor souls on your own time if you have the energy to deal with them, don't ask us, especially women to do that when we are already fighting for our lives in most cases.



Unless I missed something, I don't think Marxism is about oppressing the rich, it's simply meant to prevent the bourgeoisie to come in power.


They do not impose anything. They simply stop the abuse from happening.


Indeed. Which is a legitimate things to do. But we have to be careful with that assertion because it can be used as a reason for oppression. Israel is doing just that right now.

Rather than talking about who is attacking who and depoliticizing the point by making it an individual problem, we need to repoliticize it and understand the dynamics of domination in presence.

For example, in the case of Incels, men are in a state of domination over women, the reaction of women and leftists who fight with them is therefore legitimate. Same of Israel, Israel is the oppressor in the relation of domination between itself and Palestinians, therefore that action of resistance is legitimate.
About the marxism part, yeah, but the point of leninists' use of the state is to opress the interests of the bourgeoisie, according to their theory,
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The reason why there is that response to incels is because it’s outright negative and gross behavior. There is no excuse to be bitter and having mean spirited and sexist ideologies and supporting politics that oppresses people. Not generalizing but look at America right now.

Plenty of help and conversations happens with these people but they refuse like it’s a ideology. Instead they dig deeper, identify with it, build their politics with it. That’s why people are fed up.

Plus a lot of their thing is mocking others. So what do you mean?

You act like anti social person? That’s fine and something else. But act like an anti social person via online AND act like an asshole? Then sorry no sympathy there.

Yes we live in an increasingly lonely time but let’s not pretend these kind of loners are a new thing.
Empathy must be there if people are to overcome, nobody will overcome because they are called a loser or antisocial,
 
About the marxism part, yeah, but the point of leninists' use of the state is to opress the interests of the bourgeoisie, according to their theory,
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Empathy must be there if people are to overcome, nobody will overcome because they are called a loser or antisocial,
My response showed empathy. How? Acknowledging reaching out to people like that.

But it’s not going to freely give empathy to asshole
behavior. It’s called accountability.

What’s being ignored is the toxic behavior as if loneliness is an excuse to be that way
 
My response showed empathy. How? Acknowledging reaching out to people like that.

But it’s not going to freely give empathy to asshole
behavior. It’s called accountability.

What’s being ignored is the toxic behavior as if loneliness is an excuse to be that way
It depends on your perspective but for me just being rude on the internet isn't something that deserves to be held accountable especially by someone trying to help you when you struggle with those things,
 
It depends on your perspective but for me just being rude on the internet isn't something that deserves to be held accountable especially by someone trying to help you when you struggle with those things,
That’s a valid mindset, but to a certain point, no?

Eventually if you don’t hold people accountable to their actions it normalizes it and we live in a society already where being a bigot is normal. I’m not talking about opinions. I’m talking actual bigotry.
 
That’s a valid mindset, but to a certain point, no?

Eventually if you don’t hold people accountable to their actions it normalizes it and we live in a society already where being a bigot is normal. I’m not talking about opinions. I’m talking actual bigotry.
Yeah, I'm not trying to say that for example racism should be ignored, but if there's someone with an issue and I'm trying to speak with them to help them, them insulting me I don't think is something to hold in account,
 
About the marxism part, yeah, but the point of leninists' use of the state is to opress the interests of the bourgeoisie, according to their theory,
I see, I don't really like that word in this context. I prefer it "negate".


Yeah, I'm not trying to say that for example racism should be ignored, but if there's someone with an issue and I'm trying to speak with them to help them, them insulting me I don't think is something to hold in account,
As long as the demand for help is legitimate and do not come from a negative perception, there is no problem with that.

But in some cases, for ex with people on the far right or with Incels, the demand for help come from a place of fear, a lack of understanding of certain problems and a lot of hate. In those case, it is legitimate to refuse to accept to help and in some, to be disrespectfull as well of their opinions.
 
I see, I don't really like that word in this context. I prefer it "negate".



As long as the demand for help is legitimate and do not come from a negative perception, there is no problem with that.

But in some cases, for ex with people on the far right or with Incels, the demand for help come from a place of fear, a lack of understanding of certain problems and a lot of hate. In those case, it is legitimate to refuse to accept to help and in some, to be disrespectfull as well of their opinions.
Yeah however I was reffering to me wanting to speak with them and help them with seeing the truth if they want to speak with me,
 
How can this beaver build a dam if he never learned how?
https://x.com/AMAZlNGNATURE/status/1863309835397103724
When God made the beaver He said Alrighty Miss Beaver or Mister Beaver this is a dam and showed them how

Miss or Mister Beaver said they loved it

And so now they try to build dams because they like it and God gave them the knowledge of it,
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This is about beavers

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/oxddja/_/h7nowki
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/oxddja/_/h7nowki
"I had a raccoon friend that was similar. Called her mentos because our dog Pepsi would explode every time she visited. "
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Beaver dam visible from space ^,
 
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