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Logiko said:
Reactance because of activism is not a thing is 99% of cases.



Which is not possible to do when the first thing an incel says to you when you try to be empathic is how sexist you are because you think women have it harder.

You do not understand that the lack of empathy is not something that is done because we can't do this on the left, it's not something that is done because it can't work from us.

Empathy will only work when Incels think their are talking to someone with a similar vision of the world. or when they really try to question their own behaviors.

Also, you really do not get the paradox of tolerance. People are not here on the left to be nice with incels, people are here to protect women FROM THEM. Go have tolerance and empathy for those poor souls on your own time if you have the energy to deal with them, don't ask us, especially women to do that when we are already fighting for our lives in most cases.



Unless I missed something, I don't think Marxism is about oppressing the rich, it's simply meant to prevent the bourgeoisie to come in power.


They do not impose anything. They simply stop the abuse from happening.


Indeed. Which is a legitimate things to do. But we have to be careful with that assertion because it can be used as a reason for oppression. Israel is doing just that right now.

Rather than talking about who is attacking who and depoliticizing the point by making it an individual problem, we need to repoliticize it and understand the dynamics of domination in presence.

For example, in the case of Incels, men are in a state of domination over women, the reaction of women and leftists who fight with them is therefore legitimate. Same of Israel, Israel is the oppressor in the relation of domination between itself and Palestinians, therefore that action of resistance is legitimate.
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About the marxism part, yeah, but the point of leninists' use of the state is to opress the interests of the bourgeoisie, according to their theory,
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Punk Rotten said:
The reason why there is that response to incels is because it’s outright negative and gross behavior. There is no excuse to be bitter and having mean spirited and sexist ideologies and supporting politics that oppresses people. Not generalizing but look at America right now.

Plenty of help and conversations happens with these people but they refuse like it’s a ideology. Instead they dig deeper, identify with it, build their politics with it. That’s why people are fed up.

Plus a lot of their thing is mocking others. So what do you mean?

You act like anti social person? That’s fine and something else. But act like an anti social person via online AND act like an asshole? Then sorry no sympathy there.

Yes we live in an increasingly lonely time but let’s not pretend these kind of loners are a new thing.
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Empathy must be there if people are to overcome, nobody will overcome because they are called a loser or antisocial,
 
Punk Rotten

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#51,182
Blax Blah said:
About the marxism part, yeah, but the point of leninists' use of the state is to opress the interests of the bourgeoisie, according to their theory,
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Empathy must be there if people are to overcome, nobody will overcome because they are called a loser or antisocial,
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My response showed empathy. How? Acknowledging reaching out to people like that.

But it’s not going to freely give empathy to asshole
behavior. It’s called accountability.

What’s being ignored is the toxic behavior as if loneliness is an excuse to be that way
 
Blax Blah

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#51,183
Punk Rotten said:
My response showed empathy. How? Acknowledging reaching out to people like that.

But it’s not going to freely give empathy to asshole
behavior. It’s called accountability.

What’s being ignored is the toxic behavior as if loneliness is an excuse to be that way
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It depends on your perspective but for me just being rude on the internet isn't something that deserves to be held accountable especially by someone trying to help you when you struggle with those things,
 
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Blax Blah said:
It depends on your perspective but for me just being rude on the internet isn't something that deserves to be held accountable especially by someone trying to help you when you struggle with those things,
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That’s a valid mindset, but to a certain point, no?

Eventually if you don’t hold people accountable to their actions it normalizes it and we live in a society already where being a bigot is normal. I’m not talking about opinions. I’m talking actual bigotry.
 
Blax Blah

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Punk Rotten said:
That’s a valid mindset, but to a certain point, no?

Eventually if you don’t hold people accountable to their actions it normalizes it and we live in a society already where being a bigot is normal. I’m not talking about opinions. I’m talking actual bigotry.
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Yeah, I'm not trying to say that for example racism should be ignored, but if there's someone with an issue and I'm trying to speak with them to help them, them insulting me I don't think is something to hold in account,
 
Logiko

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Blax Blah said:
About the marxism part, yeah, but the point of leninists' use of the state is to opress the interests of the bourgeoisie, according to their theory,
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I see, I don't really like that word in this context. I prefer it "negate".


Blax Blah said:
Yeah, I'm not trying to say that for example racism should be ignored, but if there's someone with an issue and I'm trying to speak with them to help them, them insulting me I don't think is something to hold in account,
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As long as the demand for help is legitimate and do not come from a negative perception, there is no problem with that.

But in some cases, for ex with people on the far right or with Incels, the demand for help come from a place of fear, a lack of understanding of certain problems and a lot of hate. In those case, it is legitimate to refuse to accept to help and in some, to be disrespectfull as well of their opinions.
 
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Logiko said:
I see, I don't really like that word in this context. I prefer it "negate".



As long as the demand for help is legitimate and do not come from a negative perception, there is no problem with that.

But in some cases, for ex with people on the far right or with Incels, the demand for help come from a place of fear, a lack of understanding of certain problems and a lot of hate. In those case, it is legitimate to refuse to accept to help and in some, to be disrespectfull as well of their opinions.
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Yeah however I was reffering to me wanting to speak with them and help them with seeing the truth if they want to speak with me,
 
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Water1415 said:
How can this beaver build a dam if he never learned how?
https://x.com/AMAZlNGNATURE/status/1863309835397103724
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When God made the beaver He said Alrighty Miss Beaver or Mister Beaver this is a dam and showed them how

Miss or Mister Beaver said they loved it

And so now they try to build dams because they like it and God gave them the knowledge of it,
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This is about beavers

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/oxddja/_/h7nowki
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/oxddja/_/h7nowki
"I had a raccoon friend that was similar. Called her mentos because our dog Pepsi would explode every time she visited. "
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https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna37038932
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Beaver dam visible from space ^,
 
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