Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 957: Ultimate

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ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Akainu: "we don't have the manpower to tear apart 2 Yonkos"

Will wait for the official translation before demanding to shut down the Yonkos VS Admirals thread.

:yasu:
Well he's dealing with Mihawk, Hancock, Weevil, Buggy right now, I'm assuming that's what he meant. Regardless it's never a good idea to head into an unknown territory with 2 Yonkou and their crew. 1 Yonkou and his allies and with planning was a big deal enough. Alabasta is a thing as well.

Marines have never been spread thinner than right now with the timing of the Warlord abolition, they can't afford to send an entire army in Wano (And that's exactly what they'll need to send, damn near the entire Navy). Let's not forget the Warlords were present in the last war, they don't even have those at their disposal, instead they're short exactly because they're giving manpower towards them.


Side note: Was it just me or was the art turned up a notch this chapter? Beautiful chapter to look at imo.
 
I have to wonder when exactly Roger reached his prime.

We know Roger was executed at age 53, but this God Valley incident should have taken place when he was 39 years old.

So with Garp's help and no Oden, the Roger Pirates defeated the strongest pirate crew of the era 14 years before reaching Laugh Tale.

I'm starting to think Roger's progression was gradual and took a lifetime, he didn't move up very quickly in a few short years like Luffy. That seems fine if you're not using a Devil Fruit to add a creativity-based growth multiplier like Gear 4th or Awakening, all you can do is train your haki and upgrade your weapons.
 
I have to wonder when exactly Roger reached his prime.

We know Roger was executed at age 53, but this God Valley incident should have taken place when he was 39 years old.

So with Garp's help and no Oden, the Roger Pirates defeated the strongest pirate crew of the era 14 years before reaching Laugh Tale.

I'm starting to think Roger's progression was gradual and took a lifetime, he didn't move up very quickly in a few short years like Luffy. That seems fine if you're not using a Devil Fruit to add a creativity-based growth multiplier like Gear 4th or Awakening, all you can do is train your haki and upgrade your weapons.
Nope, since Big Mom, Kaido, Whitebeard also had slow growth rates. They were commamder level that time.

Roger, Whitebeard and Garp were borderline low top tier 38 years ago.

After Rock captain went down, these 3 along with Shiki( fast growth rate) entered Prime.
 
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Inspector_Mu

It is like Luffy - Kid - Law age gap. Not that big bro.
Bro stop it
Garp is not beating any top tier currently
He wont even push BM nor kaido past midd diff.
It tales navy and roger pirates to take down rocks with young WB bm and rookie kaido

Sengoku already said it BM and Kaido are way beyond what they were.

"The gap is like " no no
Kaido is from shanks generation
He started being powerful after Roger death
BM was growing powerful during Roher WB reign
WB grew match Roger

You can see each one had their peak on different timeline

Stop trying to wank Garp when he is out of his prime for years now
 
I'm starting to think the Warlords will join in Wano and the Grand Fleet too

For that to happen the Alliance will get whooped during the fire festival, as I predicted
I can see a few joining Luffy's grand alliance. Not Weevil or Mihawk though. But yeah, I doubt they'll play a role in Wano

I have to wonder when exactly Roger reached his prime.

We know Roger was executed at age 53, but this God Valley incident should have taken place when he was 39 years old.

So with Garp's help and no Oden, the Roger Pirates defeated the strongest pirate crew of the era 14 years before reaching Laugh Tale.

I'm starting to think Roger's progression was gradual and took a lifetime, he didn't move up very quickly in a few short years like Luffy. That seems fine if you're not using a Devil Fruit to add a creativity-based growth multiplier like Gear 4th or Awakening, all you can do is train your haki and upgrade your weapons.
Well yeah it makes sense that Garp and Roger both developed over time. Plus, their prime years were probably 10-15 years long. This makes defeating Rocks believable and this also compensates for the gap with when Roger became Pirate King
 
Nah. The age gap between Garp and the Three Big Thunder is not big.
If Garp is not in his prime, then Big Mom and Kaido are not too.
Garp can deal with it.
People have different primes. And where is the "three big thunder" coming from?

Garp's prime was when him Shiki, Sengoku, Roger, Whitebeard were dominating the seas. Marineford war was literally a hint at their time being over, with Sengoku and Garp both retiring and taking a back role and Whitebeard dying. Kaido and Big Mom are still running the seas.
 
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Inspector_Mu

Also Xebec was in taboo stuff and was against WG
People are ready to label him evil D. Or good D.
There isnt such thing as evil D.
Even roger is a scum for protecting CDs who had slaves there.
 
The marines said the mere fact that Rocks D. Xebec ambition was to become the king of the world, means he was involved and deep in the taboo subjects (knowledge) of the world. He may have even known about IM at some point, hell how much does Blackbeard know right now?

And Oda drops a line hinting there was something on that island, that resulted not only in the Celestial Dragons, the Rocks, Roger, and Marines being there at the same time, but also the team up of Roger and Garp to take down Rocks pirates right there and then. WOAH, right after, the whole island disappears from all maps and sightings, wow what a story One Piece is.

Hero of the Marines

 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
I'm starting to think the Warlords will join in Wano and the Grand Fleet too

For that to happen the Alliance will get whooped during the fire festival, as I predicted
Maybe Oda will throw Mihawk a bone and let him take out Big Meme while the alliance takes out Kaido :catcry:

The marines said the mere fact that Rocks D. Xebec ambition was to become the king of the world, means he was involved and deep in the taboo subjects (knowledge) of the world. He may have even known about IM at some point, hell how much does Blackbeard know right now?

And Oda drops a line hinting there was something on that island, that resulted not only in the Celestial Dragons, the Rocks, Roger, and Marines being there at the same time, but also the team up of Roger and Garp to take down Rocks pirates right there and then. WOAH, right after, the whole island disappears from all maps and sightings, wow what a story One Piece is.

Hero of the Marines

That's a fucking beastly panel of Garp :finally:
 
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