Character Discussion Luffy is a Bit of a Scumbag if He Helps Loki

#1
Luffy is a Bit of a Scumbag if He Helps Loki
Does it not bother any of you that Luffy may help Loki become free from the seastone chains? He would be knowingly doing something against the wishes of the giants of Elbaf. I understand he often goes against the wishes of his own crew, but doing this with nations could breed distrust, generate instability, and create wars.

I apologize for upsetting so many of you. I will be strictly avoiding arguments from here on.
 
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#4
Luffy freeing people from chains whether they’re good or bad people is pretty commonplace. Luffy wants something from Loki all there is to it. If Loki turns out to be an enemy Luffy will just recapture him.
 
#8
His motivation is just to fight a strong person. That's literally all Luffy is committing a crime for. It's something a scumbag would do.
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These highschool or less education guys on this site always argue unreasonably. They're crazy.
His motivation is to find out what this characters connection to one of luffys oldest friends is.

Bro you confusing One Piece for DBS?
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#9
Yeah. I'm saying Luffy is a bit of a scumbag for always doing his own thing without telling anyone and stuff like that. Like bad shit like releasing prisoners who are assumed to be homicidal maniacs.

It's definitely questionable shit and it wouldn't normally be an issue because Luffy is a pirate and he doesn't care what his crew thinks, but he's also taking laws in Elbaf unseriously. He waited all this time to go to Elbaf just to commit a crime and get his crew known as criminals there? I don't think I like Luffy's personality. He's a shitty guy.
Too much of a reach

He's a pirate

He's the captain of the SHs

Many already sees him as a criminal anyway

Luffy has solid haki

We don't know Loki circumstances

Connect the dots
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#10
His motivation is just to fight a strong person. That's literally all Luffy is committing a crime for. It's something a scumbag would do.
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These highschool or less education guys on this site always argue unreasonably. They're crazy. Nikainparis and SirYasheen are both on my list as mentally ill people I'll be avoiding.
Why are you calling them mentally ill?

They have different opinions and if you can't argue or debate with people having different opinion then stay at home away from internet
 

Kizaruber Eats

Awkwardly existing in a world of chaos.
#13
Calling 2 of the most rational and level headed people on here as mentally ill LMAO. JFC.

I mean its not like Luffy helped prisoners of all the worst crimes escape in Impel Down, brutally trolls his own crew, has a crew made of some "criminals" and "morally dubious" people and is a pirate himself too. He even said he's "not a hero" but he still acts like one too ironically.

Also teamed up with criminals, "scum" and thus "morally unhinged" people in Dressrosa and Wano especially.

Luffy is a very strong judge of character and judge's people on their hearts and actions, but especially their intentions. He is very good at reading people like a book and he's not some grandstanding, sanctimonious hypocrite like certain other over glorified/glossed characters out there which is why I adore him too.

All we've heard from Loki is hearsay too. One Piece has repeatedly beat us over the head that the world is not black and white, its full of constant gray areas and morally nuanced, frustraingly complex situations. Doflamingo being a prime example of it. Even Kaido and Big Mom. Oda purposely gives them layers of contrasting qualities to make them seem more than just stereotypical evil/villains and show they are "human", flawed too, just like our "good guys".

In a way, One Piece is like war, there are no "true good guys" on either side usually, it's just a bunch of different ideals/morals/beliefs or w/e clashing and as Doflamingo himself said, the winners are the ones who determine "justice" in this world, they are the "Law" and as we've heard throughout real life, "winners write the history" after all. Propaganda goes BRRRRR especially as we've seen to demonise Kuma unfairly, to glorifiy Doflamingo and Orochi unfairly, to demonise the "innocent" and glorify the "corrupt".

I can't believe I have to explain something so obvious and profound to someone who consistently claims they are so "intellectually superior" to us.

Luffy is much smarter and empathic than a lot of people realise and understand, they underestimate him.
 
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Kizaruber Eats

Awkwardly existing in a world of chaos.
#16
Nikainparis, SirYasheen, Reborn, and Kizaruber Eats.
"Everyone is crazy and stupid but me."

:vistalaugh::rolaugh::PepeWalk:

You're not gonna get the echochamber you want so badly on here. Sure you can put us all on ignore and you are completely in your right to do so freely ofc but we are still free to respond to you and call you out too, there's no block button here but the staff can and will intervene as needed to prevent others contacting and responding to you if needed too.

Either you have an overwhelming issue with hubris or and this is some truly dedicated trolling which I have to commend you for with no less than full irony/snark and pity you especially.

Every now and then we get one user who thinks themselves above us all and has to demean, insult, condescend etc us and act all high and mighty, as if they're trying to show us "inferior beings" the existence of light or fire itself, as we're all just cavemen who don't know any better. I just don't get it. Once or twice I could overlook it ultimately, but this is happening way too often with too many "different" users to the point it's getting very suspicious now.

I suppose you can't spells salts without alts to be fair. But that's just a hunch too. I do get some hefty deja vu here though.

I had issues of being toxic, egotistical, self righteous on here for years but this place has called me out like nobody else has either and thats why I respect it too, because for better and for worse, this place is no nonsense, brutally honest and thus sincere, unpretentious and such. In such a fake world, I really appreciate the existence of such a "rough" and imperfect place because like the human experience itself, we are not perfect, we are flawed individuals with mistakes, bad thoughts and actions, regrets and such. But that's also what makes us human and enables us to grow, to mature and be better.

Acting like everybody else is the problem and you are in the right reeks of extreme immaturity/ignorance and self righteousness and it's not gonna win you any points on here, just will make you more enemies and thus cause you to be potentially ostractised ultimately. Take it from me, I still get into arguments and have my breakdowns/meltdowns but I try to realise I'm in the wrong when I can and make amends, although sometimes I'm still fighting my own ego too.

But you know, according to your own words there, we just "argue unreasonably" as you said word for word and yet you are putting us on ignore, insulting us, defaming us, ignoring our counterpoints and calling you out and saying we are the unreasonable ones. The irony is deafening here.

I've been banned quite a few times here now and I'd be lying if I said they weren't deserved. I'd argue I'd probably deserve a few more, even a few weeks ago at most but hopefully I don't get banned anytime soon as I'm trying to help a friend run some contests on here for the time being too.
 
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#19
The regular opinion is that everyone thinks Loki is a good guy. I'm the only one arguing he's a bad guy.

This isn't me being intolerant of their idea. It's them being intolerant of mine.
 
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