General & Others Ryokugyu didn’t forge a black blade

#62
If Ryo forged a BB it would be shitting in the whole Bb concept and uniqueness

it would be shitting on Mihawk even more lol, the guy didn’t even fight an other black blade user who forged it lmao
The man can’t catch a break
Kaido was the WSC without having fought bascially...anybody. That is how Oda does things.

Fujitora is the swordsman of the two
Fuji is blind. It has always been clear his focus could not be CoA, but CoO.
 
#64
Who cares if he is blind or not ? Of the two admirals he is the one true swordsman not Ryo

he has a confirmed supreme blade and his youth design only confirmed this again
You want him to be both God level CoO (which he ought to, since his condition) and a BB forger too? And a fruit too, as any normal Admiral?
You are asking for Roger. In fact, more than Roger.
 

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#65
You want him to be both God level CoO (which he ought to, since his condition) and a BB forger too? And a fruit too, as any normal Admiral?
You are asking for Roger. In fact, more than Roger.
Ah no

i don’t want Fuji to have a BB either

but it’s even more incoherent for Ryo to be the master swordsman of the admiral knowing how Fuji was portrayed as a swordsman and Ryo not
 
#66
Ah no

i don’t want Fuji to have a BB either

but it’s even more incoherent for Ryo to be the master swordsman of the admiral knowing how Fuji was portrayed as a swordsman and Ryo not
Ryo is in fact modeled on a famous swordsman too. It may seems less typical to us, but it's exactly as Gennai Aramaki is: a rebel samurai.
 
#68
Again I just don’t believe it be a specially power level feat. It’s not about is he strong enough to do it himself or not

It’s about bb and blades in general being tied to death and sacrifice. Imo it’s the death of his loved ones that could have forged the blade black. Just like I believe it’s Mohawks own death that forged his black back in the day
Why all these headcannon created only when it comes to black blades. I don't remember a single power in one piece that requires some bulshit ritual to achieve it. Acoc? Your haki need to be strong enough. Future sight? Your coo need to be strong enough. Zoan awakening? Your mind and body need do be strong enough. Paramecia awakening? You need to train your fruit and it will become strong enough so you can use it. Taming enma? Need enough haki.

There is a reason why veterans like kata and mingo can not use acoc. And why people awaken their power only in specific moments. It just they finally become strong or proficient enough to use it. So zoro doesn't need to sacrifice sanji and chopper to achieve bb.
 
#69
Why all these headcannon created only when it comes to black blades. I don't remember a single power in one piece that requires some bulshit ritual to achieve it. Acoc? Your haki need to be strong enough. Future sight? Your coo need to be strong enough. Zoan awakening? Your mind and body need do be strong enough. Paramecia awakening? You need to train your fruit and it will become strong enough so you can use it. Taming enma? Need enough haki.

There is a reason why veterans like kata and mingo can not use acoc. And why people awaken their power only in specific moments. It just they finally become strong or proficient enough to use it. So zoro doesn't need to sacrifice sanji and chopper to achieve bb.
Zoan awakening also likely requires death of the user
 
#70
Zoan awakening also likely requires death of the user
"We call this awakening. Your mind and body are finally able to harness the potential of your ability" - Kaido. Never about some death thing. Oda can use it for metaphor or something but it never said to be a requirement. Chopper is an obvious example. Pre-ts neither his body nor his mind were strong enough to use it. He need rumble balls to use any zoan form and he can not control monster point. After ts his body is strong enough to use zoan form without rumble and his mind can surpass the will of his zoan.
 
#71
"We call this awakening. Your mind and body are finally able to harness the potential of your ability" - Kaido. Never about some death thing. Oda can use for metaphor or something but it never said to be a requirement. Chopper is an obvious example. Pre-ts neither his body nor his mind were strong enough to use it. He need rumble balls to use any zoan form and he can not control monster point. After ts his body is strong enough to use zoan form without rumble and his mind can surpass the will of his zoan.
Impel down beast were awakened
Lucci and kaku figured out awakening
None of the beast pirates were awakened
Luffy only awakened after dying

Kaido is obsessed with death completing a person and suicide is a hobby for him
 
#73
Impel down beast were awakened
Lucci and kaku figured out awakening
None of the beast pirates were awakened
Luffy only awakened after dying

Kaido is obsessed with death completing a person and suicide is a hobby for him
That doesn't mean they die at some point. The main reason why lucci and kaku were able to awaken so soon is because their zoans are not that strong. Will and power of nika, dragon > will and power of giraffe, leopard.
 
#74
If a 'fodder' could forge a black blade, this debate wouldn't exist😂
In the fodders defense if number 2 of on an emperor crew zoro doesn’t even know how it’s done even after being trained by the wss himself why would they

That doesn't mean they die at some point. The main reason why lucci and kaku were able to awaken so soon is because their zoans are not that strong. Will and power of nika, dragon > will and power of giraffe, leopard.
So you have to be at least kaido level to awaken a dinosaur fruit or something
Can only imu awaken the dragon fruit? Is his fruit even harder to awaken than the sun god fruit?
 
#75
So you have to be at least kaido level to awaken a dinosaur fruit or something
Can only imu awaken the dragon fruit? Is his fruit even harder to awaken than the sun god fruit?
No. Kaido was awakened. His strongest drunken form that he use against g4 is probably awakening. He was able even to fight against g5 in it. It just not that drastically change his appearance but it look the same as lucci's, chopper's and impel down beasts awakenings: top of the body look more beastly then usually.
 
#76
No. Kaido was awakened. His strongest drunken form that he use against g4 is probably awakening. He was able even to fight against g5 in it. It just not that drastically change his appearance but it look the same as lucci's, chopper's and impel down beasts awakenings: top of the body look more beastly then usually.
Kaido wasn’t fully awakened
You can argue his more beast hybrid form to be partial awakening but kaido did not have a straight up awakening from he could stay in
 
#78
No. Kaido was awakened. His strongest drunken form that he use against g4 is probably awakening. He was able even to fight against g5 in it. It just not that drastically change his appearance but it look the same as lucci's, chopper's and impel down beasts awakenings: top of the body look more beastly then usually.
Kaidos not awakened, his drunken modes are just forms akin to choppers points that he is able to trigger thanks to alcohol.

That’s just his transformations, he had zero awakening.
 
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