Controversial General Political Discussion

[Brush D. Teeth]

Are you saying we should try to reform school shooters, serial killers, and sadistic murderers?

Even if that was possible those people still deserve to die.

Ironic to write this in the day dedicated to Saint Stephen.

 

[Blax Blah]

Why am I tagged ?

Usual Mathias W

Trump will end wokeness.

Ironic to write this in the day dedicated to Saint Stephen.

What do you mean?

 

[Rej]

Usual Mathias W


What do you mean?

 

[Mathias]

Trump will end wokeness.

By falling asleep

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Russian missile shot down the Azerbaijani plane in Kazakhstan.


Happened in countries with Russian influenced zone/ ex USSR state.

Russia is so retarded OMG

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

What do you mean?

Saint Paul used to be a very zealous executioner of the early Christian people, he was also among the executioners of Saint Stephen, the first martyr.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Why am I tagged ?

Because prison industry is worse than executions

By falling asleep

This post is terrorism

 

[Blax Blah]

Because prison industry is worse than executions
This post is terrorism

Why is it that?

 

[Germinator]

There are other ways to change a person than to punish them

Restoring justice isn't strictly about making a person change for the better.

There was no debt to begin with. A life is not a debt, there is no ownership here. When we lose someone, we do not lose an object, we lose someone that was there and is now not there anymore because of the actions of someone else.

Well, there are are several types of justices, not all of them refer to paying off a material debt, which is an example or communitive justice

In the case of murder, it would be an example of retributive justice which is just the balancing of a wrong done with an proportionate punishment.

Many types of injustices fall into this category, such as apologizing for insulting someone, for cheating on someone, etc., justice for these actions does not have a "debt" owed in the material sense

Again, there is no debts. If a bad action happens, we can't bribe the universe to erease it or to buy it back. It happened, it's in the past, so the question is not "how can I make the person who made me suffer, suffer" but "how can justice be applied so that this person stop being a danger for others".

If I insult you personally and without good reason, there is no "debt" but there is an obligation for me to apologize.

Murder is not evil, it's simply the action of taking the life of another human. In some cases, it is ethical, in others it is not.

No, that's just you using semantics to try and appear intelligent. Murder is defined as a type of killing of humans, a type that is unjust. That is what differentiates the word murder from the word kill.

In some cases killing is ethical, in others (when it's murder) it's not

 

[Mathias]

Because prison industry is worse than executions
This post is terrorism

I never said I was in favour of prison industry or even prisons at all

 

[NAMELESS]

He still literally says in the post he is opposed to the death penalty. You are retarded or being disingenuous

Or both.

 

[AL sama]

we just need "talk no jutsu" and everyone will be a good person

 

[Toby D. Dog]

we just need "talk no jutsu" and everyone will be a good person

So out of pocket.

 

[NAMELESS]

Ah yes, you flew into the air to give a birds' eye "definition" (didn't really define anything) and never came back down to land on where, specifically, an injustice would occur in giving the death penalty to a murderer lol.

I just went and reread it. Is it because, as you said, we should "work on it" and seek rehabilitation?

I would somewhat agree and do not think every murderer needs, or should receive the death penalty.

However, I would argue equally that someone can simultaneously deserve a punishment, but it be better for them not to refuse it out of mercy and a desire for their betterment.

An example of this would be a father toward his son, who had struck his mother; the father may take mercy on the son and not ground him and instead only have him apologize because it would be better for his behavior.

Does the son still deserve punishment? Yes. Is it justified that the father, through his authority relieves the debter of his debt? Also yes.

Similarly, all murderers deserve to give their life in exchange for the life they took, but not all may need to do such in order to repent and improve.




If what you say is true, then what accounts for these laws and social structures exactly? Why not have no laws or any laws?

In truth, it is laws and "social structure" (whatever that is supposed to mean) that presume fundamental aspects inherit to human nature such as this right to life that every human has, which makes murder evil to begin with. Outside of these facts about human nature there exists no laws or social structure at all; the laws and the social structure assume these things to exist.

Laws are a literal social construct.

Based on ?

You desire for blood ? What would make the difference between you and them then ?

If you consider that someone must be killed there must be another reason that "revenge". Revenge resolves nothing, it repares nothing, it only adds suffering and violence on suffering and violence. So by principle, revenge is unethical and thus a good system of justice CAN'T be based on revenge.

It can only be based on the will to repare and to change. This is what and just system is.

Why ?

Because it takes into account the fact that in the end, we and the choices we made are the product of the material conditions of our existence : capitals/Biology/education/ Environment etc.

but if you want consider to consider that we have control over our choice then fine. Prove it to me right away and start to like something and someone you hate right now.

As you can see, choice and thus responsibility are illusion. In a materialistic vision of the world, in the most scientifically accurate possible, we, human, are the product of our material condition of existence.

In short, A justice that judge work based on the principle that people make their own choice is an idiotic system at best and an highly oppressive system at worse.

We do NOT live in this kind of world. I know, it sucks.. well until you start to see the big picture.

A good system of Justice can only work correctly if it is based on :

1. A just and efficient way to see the world
2. On the material reality of the world we live in.

This material reality is not what is funding our current justice system in the world today. So no. No one deserves to die. Even the worst of the worst. Sometimes people have no choice but to kill, but Justice has the choice to do things differently.. if we let it.



People are not evil, people do evil things.

As long as you don't understand this basic philosophical principle, you won't understand the world.

Wrong. In psychology, there is something called "The Dark Triad"(Psychopathy, Narcissism and Machiavellianism). Some people are evil. Period. Wake up to reality.

 

[AL sama]

So out of pocket.

cool

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I never said I was in favour of prison industry or even prisons at all

Then what do you want logiko?

 

[NAMELESS]

You "understand" why some wanted trump assassination because your view point aligns with them.

You feel they are threatened coz you feel threatened yourself and thus saying "I understand" why they were sad when assassination failed.



What kind of a punishment do you think a mass shooter in school killing kids or terrorist attack killing civilians or gruesome rapist deserves?

Don't write an essay....just answer it in a paragraph to the point -


what kind of a punishment do you think would suffice to be called "Justice was done in accordance to the henious crime committed"?

What i got from his posts, he is anti-punishment and pro-magically turning people good with the power of "science" lmfao

 

[Mathias]

Then what do you want logiko?

Let’s call a philosopher and think together. We can solve this before new year

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Just as racial and ethnic identity. All of these things are social constructs, just like proximity to “whiteness” in America.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

power of "science"

=

Forceful administration of drug cocktails that change a criminal's personality

?

Let’s call a philosopher and think together. We can solve this before new year

You want all of humankind to die?