Questions & Mysteries If Zoro and Sanji don't fight King and Queen then who do you think they will fight instead?

[NeutralWatcher]

You have to realize theres a possibility that those matchups wont happen, There are plenty of potential matchups for them outside of the commanders. For Sanji: Page One, X Drake, Perospero, For Zoro: Who's Who, Sasaki, Hotei(depending on how strong oda makes Orochis best Samurai).Zoro and Sanji fighting kaidos commanders should not be expected based on how the story has been going. Its just something fans are wishing for tbh.

Oda has been doing this since pre TS. I see no reason why would he change the formula of Zoro fights 2nd strongest while Sanji fights 3rd strongest.

Zoro must defeat Mihawk soon. How would he get stronger if he doesn't fight King? Second strongest in Beast Pirates and also a swordman.

Base Sanji also did well against Drake and with RS without needing CoA and DJ he made Page One groaned in pain. Why would he need to waste his time with Flying Six who is clearly way weaker than him in his RS form?

 

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Oda has been doing this since pre TS. I see no reason why would he change the formula of Zoro fights 2nd strongest while Sanji fights 3rd strongest.

Zoro must defeat Mihawk soon. How would he get stronger if he doesn't fight King? Second strongest in Beast Pirates and also a swordman.

Base Sanji also did well against Drake and with RS without needing CoA and DJ he made Page One groaned in pain. Why would he need to waste his time with Flying Six who is clearly way weaker than him in his RS form?

The difference is that luffy didnt extreme diff someone on Mr.1 and Mr.2 level the arc before, Luffy didnt extreme diff someone on Kaku and Jabras level the arc before.Luffy extreme diffed commanders literally an arc ago and he had help in those fights which fucks everything up even more. Zoro and Sanji defeating commanders by themselves... can't happen because it makes no sense and downplays the hell out of luffys performance in wholecake.

 

[Albino 👑]

They and jinbe should either fight calamities with help or solo who's who drake and sasaki

 

[NeutralWatcher]

The difference is that luffy didnt extreme diff someone on Mr.1 and Mr.2 level the arc before, Luffy didnt extreme diff someone on Kaku and Jabras level the arc before.Luffy extreme diffed commanders literally an arc ago and he had help in those fights which fucks everything up even more. Zoro and Sanji defeating commanders by themselves... can't happen because it makes no sense and downplays the hell out of luffys performance in wholecake.

It doesn't dehype Luffy. Luffy unlocked FS and showed his move that he learnt during TS, Snakeman. For all we know Zoro and Sanji haven't shown their full power yet. Zoro and Sanji might unlock new power up.

Zoro also might show what he has learnt during TS, his Enma training.

Sanji might show another move related to emotion beside Hell Memories that he has learnt during TS and show how much stronger is RS Sanji's kick with DJ and CoA.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Zoro vs Who's Who
Sanji vs Page1

Would be the only decent backups.

 

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It doesn't dehype Luffy. Luffy unlocked FS and showed his move that he learnt during TS, Snakeman. For all we know Zoro and Sanji haven't shown their full power yet. Zoro and Sanji might unlock new power up.

Zoro also might show what he has learnt during TS, his Enma training.

Sanji might show another move related to emotion beside Hell Memories that he has learnt during TS and show how much stronger is RS Sanji's kick with DJ and CoA.

Zoro and Sanji should have had high diff fights where they can display their abilities before Wano. Not in Wano. Especially Sanji considering Sanjis actually been fighting strong people that can push him to use his abilities and he doesnt. The problem is with post timeskip in general is that Sanjis fights dont finish, and Zoro doesnt fight strong enough people. Now were in an arc filled with strong people and we still dont know how strong the characters. We should have had an idea of where they were at before the arc started if their suppose to fight yonko commnaders in this arc. You dont become commander level over night , raid suit and enma are not enough to justify that. Luffy fought 2 commander level characters before he fought katakuri and even then he barely won/ didnt even win kat really let the dude go.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

The difference is that luffy didnt extreme diff someone on Mr.1 and Mr.2 level the arc before, Luffy didnt extreme diff someone on Kaku and Jabras level the arc before.Luffy extreme diffed commanders literally an arc ago and he had help in those fights which fucks everything up even more. Zoro and Sanji defeating commanders by themselves... can't happen because it makes no sense and downplays the hell out of luffys performance in wholecake.

People don't seem to understand this. There is a certain level of consistency that needs to be maintained in order for the story to not turn into a cluster fuck of what the hell just happened. The Yonko Commanders are suppose to be the cream of the crop of the Pirate World outside of the Yonko's themselves. They've been getting hyped up ever since way back during Marineford, and then Oda ramped it up ten fold on WCI by showcasing Luffy heavily struggle against not one, but two of them on separate occasions. To turn around and have two characters who've barely been given any major screen time of strength progression since the timeskip a 1 on 1 victory against a Yonko Commander, just one arc later would be incompetent writing. Especially if it would be their first major one on one fight in the New World.

 

[Hades]

Zoro vs Who's who
Sanji vs Drake

I am just talking about solo fights...

 

[NeutralWatcher]

Zoro and Sanji should have had high diff fights where they can display their abilities before Wano. Not in Wano. Especially Sanji considering Sanjis actually been fighting strong people that can push him to use his abilities and he doesnt. The problem is with post timeskip in general is that Sanjis fights dont finish, and Zoro doesnt fight strong enough people. Now were in an arc filled with strong people and we still dont know how strong the characters. We should have had an idea of where they were at before the arc started if their suppose to fight yonko commnaders in this arc. You dont become commander level over night , raid suit and enma are not enough to justify that. Luffy fought 2 commander level characters before he fought katakuri and even then he barely won/ didnt even win kat really let the dude go.

Sanji with RS already showed significance superiority to Page One without needing to use DJ and CoA. He has no business with Flying Six anymore and that includes Drake, Who'sWho etc. His only real challenge in RS is Queen, leader of Flying Six. RS Sanji has shown that he's way above Flying Six.

Zoro also already defeated Killer and showed good feat against Hawkin and that's before Enma training. We haven't seen Zoro's Enma training result and what does he learnt during TS.

If Luffy can unlock FS and show what he learnt during TS, what prevent Zoro and Sanji from doing the same thing?

Have we seen what Zoro and Sanji learnt during TS beside ISDS and Hell memories?

 

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People don't seem to understand this. There is a certain level of consistency that needs to be maintained in order for the story to not turn into a cluster fuck of what the hell just happened. The Yonko Commanders are suppose to be the cream of the crop of the Pirate World outside of the Yonko's themselves. They've been getting hyped up ever since way back during Marineford, and then Oda ramped it up ten fold on WCI by showcasing Luffy heavily struggle against not one, but two of them on separate occasions. To turn around and have two characters who've barely been given any major screen time of strength progression since the timeskip a 1 on 1 victory against a Yonko Commander, just one arc later would be incompetent writing. Especially if it would be their first major one on one fight in the New World.

Yup Plus we can't ignore the fact that literally NONE of the fights against Commander level people have been 1v1's. They've all been 2v1's essentially. Luffy vs Kat doesnt count becuz luffy left mid fight, and if not for brulees devil fruit abilities he wouldnt have been able to escape from katakuri and would have lost.

 

[Lunaria]

Why so many people think Drake might fight someone from the alliance ? He's a marine whose mission is to take down Kaido, he has no reason to fight the alliance right now. Not to mention it's abundantly clear he helped Law escape and formed a secret alliance with him.

Zoro vs Who's Who
Sanji vs Page1

Would be the only decent backups.

I wouldn't consider Sanji vs Page One a decent back up. Sanji vs Sasaki would be better.

 

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Sanji with RS already showed significance superiority to Page One without needing to use DJ and CoA. He has no business with Flying Six anymore and that includes Drake, Who'sWho etc. His only real challenge in RS is Queen, leader of Flying Six. RS Sanji has shown that he's way above Flying Six.

Zoro also already defeated Killer and showed good feat against Hawkin and that's before Enma training. We haven't seen Zoro's Enma training result and what does he learnt during TS.

If Luffy can unlock FS and show what he learnt during TS, what prevent Zoro and Sanji from doing the same thing?

Have we seen what Zoro and Sanji learnt during TS beside ISDS and Hell memories?

First of all Sanji vs Page One was a C L A S H neither of the characters even used a named attack. Yes Sanji could hit Page One any time he wanted but he has to overcome the tough skin of the Ancient zoans to defeat them. To Say Sanji has no business fighting tobi roppo is blasphemous. Luffy was about to use G4 for Ulti because her power was too strong. And G3 didnt do shit to Page one. Your underestimating how tuff the skin of these dinosaur users are.

For Zoro....We dont know how strong killer is, and he didnt defeat hawkins plus Hawkins as far as we know is below the flying 6.

 

[BangOO🍅]

We should start to wondering after the alliances win against Kaido.

Does Luffy became a yonko? Or the World Govt will make 4 emperors became 3 emperors and they will started to think if Worst Generation is the real deal.
Because 8 supernova is in Onigashima, and this arc isn't just Straw Hat Pirates vs Beast Pirates.

 

[Pirate hunter eddy]

Could be like Skypeia, where Zoro fights #2 and the main boss for a bit, an ally takes #3, and #4 was Sanji + help.

Yeah that's actually how I think it will go in someway

 

[NeutralWatcher]

First of all Sanji vs Page One was a C L A S H neither of the characters even used a named attack. Yes Sanji could hit Page One any time he wanted but he has to overcome the tough skin of the Ancient zoans to defeat them. To Say Sanji has no business fighting tobi roppo is blasphemous. Luffy was about to use G4 for Ulti because her power was too strong. And G3 didnt do shit to Page one. Your underestimating how tuff the skin of these dinosaur users are.

What so blasphemous about it? RS Sanji didn't use CoA and DJ and he made Page One groaned in pain? Page One only did little damage to Sanji. It's not blasphemous when RS Sanji didn't have to use DJ and CoA and Page One still felt pain. What's so blasphemous is if Sanji went all out against Page One using DJ and CoA and yet Page One didn't groan in pain then yes it's blasphemous to say RS Sanji is way above Flying Six.

I'm not underestimating the tough skin of ancient zoan. it just hypes Sanji even more. Without DJ and CoA he made ancient zoan who has high durability groaned in pain.

RS Sanji with CoA and DJ should be saved for Queen, not someone who groaned in pain from non DJ and non CoA RS Sanji kick. I think RS Sanji with DJ and CoA should be above G3 Luffy level. I think it makes sense since Oda always portray Luffy>Zoro>Sanji and each of them are in base. The gap in power also not that big for three of them.

For Zoro....We dont know how strong killer is, and he didnt defeat hawkins plus Hawkins as far as we know is below the flying 6.

He beat Killer in 2 on 1 situation. Yeah difficult to judge who won between Zoro and Hawkin. I think it's just a clash.

 

[BangOO🍅]

First of all Sanji vs Page One was a C L A S H neither of the characters even used a named attack. Yes Sanji could hit Page One any time he wanted but he has to overcome the tough skin of the Ancient zoans to defeat them. To Say Sanji has no business fighting tobi roppo is blasphemous. Luffy was about to use G4 for Ulti because her power was too strong. And G3 didnt do shit to Page one. Your underestimating how tuff the skin of these dinosaur users are.

For Zoro....We dont know how strong killer is, and he didnt defeat hawkins plus Hawkins as far as we know is below the flying 6.

I have a thought if Apoo and Hawkins dont want/dont have a chances to became a Flying Six especially Hawkins because he forced to join the beast pirates after Kaido fell from sky.
And based on Queen's dialogue, Flying Six seat/spot isnt always open.

And because X-Drake might joined Beast Pirates after he defeating Scotch, thats mean he might join the "Flying Six" audition and he succeed alongside Who'Who,Sasaki,Ulti,Page One, Black Maria.

 

[Bullet]

Trolling aside Smoothie is here my preference is Marco vs King so Zoro can take on Smoothie
And Sanji is too strong for a flying six as we saw he was owning page 1 without diable Jambe so if Sasaki and Ww aren't significantly above P1 then Sanji should take on Jack though i would prefere the dukes.

 

[Tobra]

me after seeing the comments on this thread:

 

[Finalbeta]

me after seeing the comments on this thread:

Which ones in particular? :P

 

[Enma]

Trolling aside Smoothie is here my preference is Marco vs King so Zoro can take on Smoothie
And Sanji is too strong for a flying six as we saw he was owning page 1 without diable Jambe so if Sasaki and Ww aren't significantly above P1 then Sanji should take on Jack though i would prefere the dukes.

Let Yamato take on Lmoothie
Zoro will fight King