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They are. By soldier presence in both Gaza, and the West Bank and are controlling the entry point of Gazan. Which is exactly what a occupying force does.
Again. Factual. This is not me saying it, but the U.N and other international commitee and country.
There is nothing that you will say that will change that.
- This doesn't change the state of occupation and oppression of Palestinian and gazan by Israel. Which is - again - a factual data.
- This doesn't change the controls points, and the appartheid politics against Palestinians
- This doesn't change the rapes, the murders, and the tortures of random palestinians.
- This doesn't change the forced enprisonment of Palestinians and their rape or torture.
Are you trying to tell me that those things do not exist in front of my eye right now ?
You are in no place to talk about knowledge or understanding on the subject. You have none.
Don't try me. I'm not fully gone yet. I can have one last ride in front of genocide justifiers.
Again. Factual. This is not me saying it, but the U.N and other international commitee and country.
There is nothing that you will say that will change that.
- This doesn't change the state of occupation and oppression of Palestinian and gazan by Israel. Which is - again - a factual data.
- This doesn't change the controls points, and the appartheid politics against Palestinians
- This doesn't change the rapes, the murders, and the tortures of random palestinians.
- This doesn't change the forced enprisonment of Palestinians and their rape or torture.
Are you trying to tell me that those things do not exist in front of my eye right now ?
You are in no place to talk about knowledge or understanding on the subject. You have none.
Don't try me. I'm not fully gone yet. I can have one last ride in front of genocide justifiers.
Did you even understand the post?
Israel did withdraw completely including settlements from Gaza so that Palestinians can have free society.
It was Hamas once again that used Gaza to fire rockets and kill civilians which led Israel to impose blockade
Hamas is against peace process. They hindered peace process in 90s. They used Gaza to attack Israel in 2007 even when Israel withdraw from Gaza. The kept on escalating the conflicts since then.
And, then committed October 7th attack on civilians.
Hamas is the instigator. Hamas is the terrorist group. Calling them a resistance movement is injustice to actual resistant movement which happened in the past
Israel did withdraw completely including settlements from Gaza so that Palestinians can have free society.
It was Hamas once again that used Gaza to fire rockets and kill civilians which led Israel to impose blockade
Hamas is against peace process. They hindered peace process in 90s. They used Gaza to attack Israel in 2007 even when Israel withdraw from Gaza. The kept on escalating the conflicts since then.
And, then committed October 7th attack on civilians.
Hamas is the instigator. Hamas is the terrorist group. Calling them a resistance movement is injustice to actual resistant movement which happened in the past
Lmao ur so wrong 🤣, there was no soldier presence in Gaza after 2005 and if you talk about entry points it's called fucking borders, when your population consists of people who willing to go bomb themselves in busses or weddings you build a wall/ fence around to keep them away.
You couldn't even point to Gaza on a map before oct7 and you talk to me about having no knowledge
You couldn't even point to Gaza on a map before oct7 and you talk to me about having no knowledge
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It seems our friend Reborn doesn't know how to read.
I was sure to give him clear and factual data. But it's seems he does not understand what International laws or internationals statement means.
I think our friend here does not understand that this is not a matter of debate and does not understand what oppression for multiple decades means or feels like.
It's weird.. I was sure our friend Reborn here had a functionning brain and the minimum education required to understand basic geopolitical terms like "colonizations" or "Appartheid" "resistance" or even "Systemic oppressions".
Maybe our friend here needs a little reminded of the situation:
Maybe.
But contrary to you, I'm not trying to justify colonization or a genocide.
I guess Palestinians in Gaza murdered or raped themselves, in fact maybe Palestinian abducted themselves ontheir own to end up in Israel's prisons.
In fact.. I guess there are no soldiers in Gaza at the moment oneshoting children with snipers.. Is that what you are saying ?
I was sure to give him clear and factual data. But it's seems he does not understand what International laws or internationals statement means.
I think our friend here does not understand that this is not a matter of debate and does not understand what oppression for multiple decades means or feels like.
It's weird.. I was sure our friend Reborn here had a functionning brain and the minimum education required to understand basic geopolitical terms like "colonizations" or "Appartheid" "resistance" or even "Systemic oppressions".
Maybe our friend here needs a little reminded of the situation:
Maybe.
But contrary to you, I'm not trying to justify colonization or a genocide.
I guess Palestinians in Gaza murdered or raped themselves, in fact maybe Palestinian abducted themselves ontheir own to end up in Israel's prisons.
In fact.. I guess there are no soldiers in Gaza at the moment oneshoting children with snipers.. Is that what you are saying ?
In some example yes.
Resistance is not a game where we play moral soldiers. It's messy, it's good and it's bad. Sometimes it does legitimate things and sometimes people lose their humanity.
And do you want to know what the worst thing is ?
Sometime we don't know if the actions that created a window for peace, were the good... or the evil ones.
Resistance is not a game where we play moral soldiers. It's messy, it's good and it's bad. Sometimes it does legitimate things and sometimes people lose their humanity.
And do you want to know what the worst thing is ?
Sometime we don't know if the actions that created a window for peace, were the good... or the evil ones.
Wtf does that even mean ? how can you call yourself a resistance movement while raping kidnapping and killing civilians ? you know there is a reason they are 2 different words with 2 different meanings right ?
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Egypt also control their border I don't see people say anything about that, and they literally have no other border so wtf are u on about
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Egypt also control their border I don't see people say anything about that, and they literally have no other border so wtf are u on about
I would agree. But what happens when a bad action creates the windows for peace ? How long must a people live in the worst of oppressions for the worst option to become the only one possible ?
And if you were to ask those people the most important question of all ..
Sometimes, a simple and cold observations is scarier than all moral judgments.
And if you were to ask those people the most important question of all ..
Sometimes, a simple and cold observations is scarier than all moral judgments.
Killing civilians is a surefire way to get people against your cause because nobody wants to support that. Just look the ANC in South Africa. Nelson Mandela at first was ambivalent towards, but then realize how ineffective it was and tried his hardest to move away from it
So not only is morally wrong, it's ineffective as well
So not only is morally wrong, it's ineffective as well
I am on about the fact that Rafah's border is with Egypt but controlled by Israel as well.
The Rafah Border Crossing (Arabic: معبر رفح, romanized: Ma`bar Rafaḥ) or Rafah Crossing Point is the sole crossing point between Egypt and Palestine's Gaza Strip. It is located on the Egypt–Palestine border. Under a 2007 agreement between Egypt and Israel, Egypt controls the crossing but imports through the Rafah crossing require Israeli approval.
You shouldn't talk so superficially and with such certainty of things you do not know and do not understand.
Israel control what and who gets into Palestine, I.e. Palestine is under Israel control, has always been.
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I share this view, but it's absurd to not expect radicalisation in a population oppressed for 60 years.
Hamas is also a useful idiot that helps demonising the Palestinian cause, that's why Israel itself helped its success:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
The Rafah Border Crossing (Arabic: معبر رفح, romanized: Ma`bar Rafaḥ) or Rafah Crossing Point is the sole crossing point between Egypt and Palestine's Gaza Strip. It is located on the Egypt–Palestine border. Under a 2007 agreement between Egypt and Israel, Egypt controls the crossing but imports through the Rafah crossing require Israeli approval.
You shouldn't talk so superficially and with such certainty of things you do not know and do not understand.
Israel control what and who gets into Palestine, I.e. Palestine is under Israel control, has always been.
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I share this view, but it's absurd to not expect radicalisation in a population oppressed for 60 years.
Hamas is also a useful idiot that helps demonising the Palestinian cause, that's why Israel itself helped its success:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
I am not saying its impossible nor improbable, it's just not good or effective.
The problem with Logiko is that his world view demands extreme leniency towards the oppressed, and while it's good to analyze the difference in power/material conditions I don't think it gives the oppressed a carte blanche to do whatever they want
The problem with Logiko is that his world view demands extreme leniency towards the oppressed, and while it's good to analyze the difference in power/material conditions I don't think it gives the oppressed a carte blanche to do whatever they want
On what you posted it clearly says it, it's Egypt border, they control it, the Israel approvel doesn't happen in practice as they have imported a lot of weapons from, so no you are wrong, since oct7 they do control it but beforehand it was Egypt border and they still didn't let gazans to pass through, I wonder why.
True
As I said earlier, Palestinians have right to statehood. They have rights to freedom and liberty.
Israel cannot continue to hold all lands under it at the cost of Palestinian rights. Israel cannot continue to hold all chips in its hand.
But what Hamas has been doing is just counter productive. Whenever there was peace talks, it was Hamas who tried to derail it.
Hamas actions affect Palestinians cause more than it affects Israel. The terrorists attacks legitimatize Israel action to defend itself.
Hamas terrorist attacks is bringing down Palestinians.
Because let's be real
A nation that has top notch military and intelligence, is backed by world big economies and military power like US, European giants, India in terms of aid during the ongoing war - will not back down against a terror group or some toothless international organizations.
As I said earlier, Palestinians have right to statehood. They have rights to freedom and liberty.
Israel cannot continue to hold all lands under it at the cost of Palestinian rights. Israel cannot continue to hold all chips in its hand.
But what Hamas has been doing is just counter productive. Whenever there was peace talks, it was Hamas who tried to derail it.
Hamas actions affect Palestinians cause more than it affects Israel. The terrorists attacks legitimatize Israel action to defend itself.
Hamas terrorist attacks is bringing down Palestinians.
Because let's be real
A nation that has top notch military and intelligence, is backed by world big economies and military power like US, European giants, India in terms of aid during the ongoing war - will not back down against a terror group or some toothless international organizations.
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