General & Others Law never clashed with quake fruit

#21
Bruh... Error 404, logic not found.
Explain step by step what K-room does, explain it to yourself and then recalibrate everything.
One does not use intangible technique, not an attack, to block anything. That is the opposite of blocking.

Try to make some sense before you start screaming OMG Law so stronK!
Law's move in that scene is intangible, nothing more, nothing less.
He cannot block showwaves with intangible sword, that is pure nonsense.

It is Blackbeard who is blocking the intangible sword, idk the logic behind shockwaves blocking it but that is what is happening.
He doesn't want to be pierced by it in order to avoid the attack that comes after it.
Should we scream "OMG look at the damaji" if Blackbeard used the same thing to block intangible ghosts from Perona?

Because it is the exact same thing. Are yall even aware of what is happening in that scene? Like what are you praising even?
Law didn't even use an attack, it was Blackbeard who used one in order to stay clear of intangible sword which is a technique, not an attack.
The quakes are intangible as well lmao
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#22
He didn’t block a shockwave with an intangible sword, he blocked it with the vibrations of his own shockwave. Shaking lines through his sword (which shows vibrating or the attack being released) and impact lines are the indicators just like in any other instances of his Shockwille moves.

You can‘t tell that Meme and BB were being attacked by Shockwille if we didn’t see impact lines and blood spewing out. It’s a shockwave bruh, does Oda have to draw an outline for the shockwaves for you?
Bro, you are making shit up. Take a step back and get real.
There are NO vibrations in K-Room, there is nothing in it because it isn't an attack.
It is literally the same thing as using Room. It does nothing except being there.

You are confused, Law didn't use Shockwille in there. He used K-Room, there is a big difference.
The shaking lines are an indicator for K-Room being blocked, nothing more, nothing less.
Once again, Perona's ghosts come after Blackbeard and he blocks them with Gura is the exact same thing as this with Law.

What are we supposed to wank in this case?

The quakes are intangible as well lmao
Those quakes have been used to block everything Whitebeard/Blackbeard faced.
Are you new to this or what? Law's K-Room is not something used for blocking, it is used as preparation for an attack.
I feel like I am explaining the most basic shit to children...
 
#23
Dumbest thing I’ve ever read, it’s a shockwave that outwardly outputs a lot of force, not a barrier.

Law’s shockwaves have the same large attack radius:

And you never even proved that Law was the one on the offensive, we just cut back to them clashing. They just both went for an attack like all the other clashes in this show.
If Law did that with a giant sword would the shockwaves create some type of cloud?
 
#24
You are confused, Law didn't use Shockwille in there. He used K-Room, there is a big difference.
The shaking lines are an indicator for K-Room being blocked, nothing more, nothing less.
Once again, Perona's ghosts come after Blackbeard and he blocks them with Gura is the exact same thing as this with Law.

What are we supposed to wank in this case?


Those quakes have been used to block everything Whitebeard/Blackbeard faced.
Are you new to this or what? Law's K-Room is not something used for blocking, it is used as preparation for an attack.
I feel like I am explaining the most basic shit to children...
No, Law released a Shockwille type of attack at the same time as BB punched. They don’t have to yell the attack’s names all the time for us to know what is happening lol. I don’t know how you can just accept a shockwave blocking something intangible more than two shockwaves colliding. We see impact lines throughout the page even behind BB - which is not in the line of his attack if he was the only one attacking. That is proof of a clash happening.

Shockwaves ARE INVISIBLE

I think Oda has to draw a special outer outline of shockwaves just for you, maybe in a different bright color too lol.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#26
Law released a Shockwille type of attack at the same time as BB punched.
Based on what exactly are you coming to this wild conclusion?
As I said, Law fans are seeing something that ain't in One Piece...

Every time Law used a Shockwave attack during K-Room, it looks significantly different than what happened with Blackbeard scene.
There is absolutely no Shockwave coming from Law, you are seeing things that arent there.
You can clearly see shockwaves during Shock Wille and Puncture Wille every time it is being used, except in this scene.

Because there arent any shockwaves. You simply made them up.
I told you what is happening in that scene - Blackbeard stopping an intangible sword from piercing him by using Gura, that's all.
He was pierced by it once, he didn't allow it to happen again, that's all there is to it.
 
#27
Based on what exactly are you coming to this wild conclusion?
As I said, Law fans are seeing something that ain't in One Piece...

Every time Law used a Shockwave attack during K-Room, it looks significantly different than what happened with Blackbeard scene.
There is absolutely no Shockwave coming from Law, you are seeing things that arent there.
You can clearly see shockwaves during Shock Wille and Puncture Wille every time it is being used, except in this scene.

Because there arent any shockwaves. You simply made them up.
I told you what is happening in that scene - Blackbeard stopping an intangible sword from piercing him by using Gura, that's all.
He was pierced by it once, he didn't allow it to happen again, that's all there is to it.
You actually don’t see any distinct effects of Shockwille in BB’s case and the 2nd one on BM’s:

At best, you can see a little cloud dust afterwards in BB’s case. There are only impact lines coming out of their bodies to show that an attack is going on. There are no bodies being damaged for that type of distinction to happen in a clash. Instead we saw the impact lines throughout the page.

Occam’s Razor - two shockwaves just clashed in the middle.
Headcanon territory - a shockwave blocking an intangible object that not even the strongest type of haki can block. And we will never see another type of interaction with gura like this again in the series… so lmao.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#28
You actually don’t see any distinct effects of Shockwille in BB’s case and the 2nd one on BM’s:

At best, you can see a little cloud dust afterwards in BB’s case. There are only impact lines coming out of their bodies to show that an attack is going on. There are no bodies being damaged for that type of distinction to happen in a clash. Instead we saw the impact lines throughout the page.

Occam’s Razor - two shockwaves just clashed in the middle. Headcanon territory, a shockwave blocking an intangible object that not even the strongest type of haki can block. And we will never see another type of interaction with gura like this again in the series… so lmao.
You can see effects of Law's shockwaves in every single instance...
Even when you look at PW at the sword alone, there are effects that show a shockwave happened.
However, in the supposed clash with Blackbeard, there is none of it. Zero.

All we see are the regular effects of Gura and the usual shaking marks that can be found in an regular blocking.
Because in this case, Law's intangible K-Room coated sword is treated as tangible normal sword and thus trembling due to being blocked.
And Law's go-to technique to counter Gura is not K-Room paired with whatever Shockwave, it is Shambles to get out of the way.

You saw what he used against Hakai coming his way.
The worst part of this whole thing, even if there was any evidence that would support this headcanon, what you are praising would be the level of fodder Giant being blocked by WB back in MF...

It would be Occams razor if there was any shockwave coming from Law but there isn't so you have to look for what is actually happening.
Blackbeard stopping the same thing that tagged him just moments ago.
I am pretty sure aCoC barrier can stop K-Room. BM's body is not coated in aCoC to prevent it the same way.
The whole point of that throwaway line was to stop low-diff hax. Dont assume K-Room is unblockable.
After all, Admiral's haki blocked WB's shockwave, an intangible thing...
 
#29
You can see effects of Law's shockwaves in every single instance...
Even when you look at PW at the sword alone, there are effects that show a shockwave happened.
However, in the supposed clash with Blackbeard, there is none of it. Zero.

All we see are the regular effects of Gura and the usual shaking marks that can be found in an regular blocking.
Because in this case, Law's intangible K-Room coated sword is treated as tangible normal sword and thus trembling due to being blocked.
And Law's go-to technique to counter Gura is not K-Room paired with whatever Shockwave, it is Shambles to get out of the way.

You saw what he used against Hakai coming his way.
The worst part of this whole thing, even if there was any evidence that would support this headcanon, what you are praising would be the level of fodder Giant being blocked by WB back in MF...

It would be Occams razor if there was any shockwave coming from Law but there isn't so you have to look for what is actually happening.
Blackbeard stopping the same thing that tagged him just moments ago.
I am pretty sure aCoC barrier can stop K-Room. BM's body is not coated in aCoC to prevent it the same way.
The whole point of that throwaway line was to stop low-diff hax. Dont assume K-Room is unblockable.
After all, Admiral's haki blocked WB's shockwave, an intangible thing...
Those effects of Shockwille as I said are only applicable when he already hit a body, we see that there’s no such effects during the attack itself - only impact and shaky lines similar to gura. Those cloud like things that you’re seeing afterwards could be a frying type of effect, indicating a successful attack.

BM and g5 has been shown to radiate acoc-esque type of lightning in multiple points and Kaidou basically confirmed that g5‘s body is coated with acoc.

Gura’s shockwave isn‘t intangible like a room or Perona’s ghost. It’s a force and could be stopped by a literal metal wall so even barrier haki in that case can applicably stop it. Law’s room isn’t tangible in the slightest, there has been no instances in the manga where anybody can even interact with a room which is essentially what Law’s sword turned into.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#30
Those effects of Shockwille as I said are only applicable when he already hit a body, we see that there’s no such effects during the attack itself - only impact and shaky lines similar to gura. Those cloud like things that you’re seeing afterwards could be a frying type of effect, indicating a successful attack.

BM and g5 has been shown to radiate acoc-esque type of lightning in multiple points and Kaidou basically confirmed that g5‘s body is coated with acoc.

Gura’s shockwave isn‘t intangible like a room or Perona’s ghost. It’s a force and could be stopped by a literal metal wall so even barrier haki in that case can applicably stop it. Law’s room isn’t tangible in the slightest, there has been no instances in the manga where anybody can even interact with a room which is essentially what Law’s sword turned into.
Bruh, you are confusing K-Room with Shock Wille.
Shock Wille is a shockwave technique, like all other shockwave techniques that Law has and they all have effects that are clearly visible.
Going from Counter Shock all the way up to Puncture Wille, the effects of shockwaves are visible.

The body coating is nonsense, stop it, lol. There would never be any need to coat the fist if his body was already coated.
Same for BM and Kaido... It is there only for Oda to choose the easy route and prevent Law from Shambling two arc bosses all over the place or mincing them with chopping ability because they are 2 slow pokes tagged by everything.

Blackbeard doesn't have such haki and yet, instead of chopping him, Oda decides to chop up Stronger and protect Blackbeard instead.
It is called plot armor.
Gura shockwave doesn't have physical form, it is a vibration, trembling.
Perona's ghosts and Law's K-Room coated Kikoku behave the same, as non-physical forms, phasing through everything, which is exactly what Gura does too as well as Kuma's Paw Canon or Ursus Shock.
If Hakai can be stopped by haki barrier, these things can be stopped by haki barrier too.
Problem is, Blackbeard doesn't have such level of haki, thus Gura "bubble" is a replacement for it, working exactly the same...
He doesn't have Haki burst to cancel DFs, he has Yami that does that same thing instead.
These are all different variations of the same ability.

Room is Law's domain of free manipulation of matter inside it.
K-Room is the same thing, just focused on the free manipulation of the sword instead.
All he does with K-Room is freely manipulate the length of his sword, that's all.
Aside from making it phase through everything without causing it harm, which is what chopping does normally inside a regular Room, not causing any harm. His sword phases through matter, detaching it but not harming it.

Law's body is the source of the shocks, the sword is just used as conductor, Room and K-Room arent needed for shocks.
I digress... Back to the scene. When Law uses K-Room, it is in order to place Kikoku inside a target to conduct the shockwave from Law, through the sword into the target. All Blackbeard in this scene was using Gura punch to stop K-Room coated Kikoku phasing into him.
 
#31
Bruh, you are confusing K-Room with Shock Wille.
Shock Wille is a shockwave technique, like all other shockwave techniques that Law has and they all have effects that are clearly visible.
Going from Counter Shock all the way up to Puncture Wille, the effects of shockwaves are visible.

The body coating is nonsense, stop it, lol. There would never be any need to coat the fist if his body was already coated.
Same for BM and Kaido... It is there only for Oda to choose the easy route and prevent Law from Shambling two arc bosses all over the place or mincing them with chopping ability because they are 2 slow pokes tagged by everything.

Blackbeard doesn't have such haki and yet, instead of chopping him, Oda decides to chop up Stronger and protect Blackbeard instead.
It is called plot armor.
Gura shockwave doesn't have physical form, it is a vibration, trembling.
Perona's ghosts and Law's K-Room coated Kikoku behave the same, as non-physical forms, phasing through everything, which is exactly what Gura does too as well as Kuma's Paw Canon or Ursus Shock.
If Hakai can be stopped by haki barrier, these things can be stopped by haki barrier too.
Problem is, Blackbeard doesn't have such level of haki, thus Gura "bubble" is a replacement for it, working exactly the same...
He doesn't have Haki burst to cancel DFs, he has Yami that does that same thing instead.
These are all different variations of the same ability.

Room is Law's domain of free manipulation of matter inside it.
K-Room is the same thing, just focused on the free manipulation of the sword instead.
All he does with K-Room is freely manipulate the length of his sword, that's all.
Aside from making it phase through everything without causing it harm, which is what chopping does normally inside a regular Room, not causing any harm. His sword phases through matter, detaching it but not harming it.

Law's body is the source of the shocks, the sword is just used as conductor, Room and K-Room arent needed for shocks.
I digress... Back to the scene. When Law uses K-Room, it is in order to place Kikoku inside a target to conduct the shockwave from Law, through the sword into the target. All Blackbeard in this scene was using Gura punch to stop K-Room coated Kikoku phasing into him.
He have a clash sfx tho which means bb s coa was enough to negate k room intangibility which makes sense
 
#32
Law fans say it was a clash big hype when the case is bb just blocked his awakening attack , bb didnt even attack
Wb did the same at marineford with the axe giant

Had bb attacked law and and everything behind him wouldve been destroyed

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It would’ve been easier to say blackbeard didnt use full power
 
#33
Bruh, you are confusing K-Room with Shock Wille.
Shock Wille is a shockwave technique, like all other shockwave techniques that Law has and they all have effects that are clearly visible.
Going from Counter Shock all the way up to Puncture Wille, the effects of shockwaves are visible.

The body coating is nonsense, stop it, lol. There would never be any need to coat the fist if his body was already coated.
Same for BM and Kaido... It is there only for Oda to choose the easy route and prevent Law from Shambling two arc bosses all over the place or mincing them with chopping ability because they are 2 slow pokes tagged by everything.

Blackbeard doesn't have such haki and yet, instead of chopping him, Oda decides to chop up Stronger and protect Blackbeard instead.
It is called plot armor.
Gura shockwave doesn't have physical form, it is a vibration, trembling.
Perona's ghosts and Law's K-Room coated Kikoku behave the same, as non-physical forms, phasing through everything, which is exactly what Gura does too as well as Kuma's Paw Canon or Ursus Shock.
If Hakai can be stopped by haki barrier, these things can be stopped by haki barrier too.
Problem is, Blackbeard doesn't have such level of haki, thus Gura "bubble" is a replacement for it, working exactly the same...
He doesn't have Haki burst to cancel DFs, he has Yami that does that same thing instead.
These are all different variations of the same ability.

Room is Law's domain of free manipulation of matter inside it.
K-Room is the same thing, just focused on the free manipulation of the sword instead.
All he does with K-Room is freely manipulate the length of his sword, that's all.
Aside from making it phase through everything without causing it harm, which is what chopping does normally inside a regular Room, not causing any harm. His sword phases through matter, detaching it but not harming it.

Law's body is the source of the shocks, the sword is just used as conductor, Room and K-Room arent needed for shocks.
I digress... Back to the scene. When Law uses K-Room, it is in order to place Kikoku inside a target to conduct the shockwave from Law, through the sword into the target. All Blackbeard in this scene was using Gura punch to stop K-Room coated Kikoku phasing into him.
This is going no where, you lost me at comparing a shockwave like Gura and Ursus Shock to Law’s room or a ghost. A shockwave can interact with matter, it destroys, you can feel it, it vibrates. The room is completely intangible, you can’t even feel it, Law can create matter within it, it’s as conceptual of a power as you can get. Nothing has ever interacted with it, not even another conceptual power like haki or willpower. Shockwaves will not and can not block it with all reason.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#35
He have a clash sfx tho which means bb s coa was enough to negate k room intangibility which makes sense
The problem is BB used Gura punch which is irrelevant to haki and the usual way for WB/BB to block anything.

This is going no where, you lost me at comparing a shockwave like Gura and Ursus Shock to Law’s room or a ghost. A shockwave can interact with matter, it destroys, you can feel it, it vibrates. The room is completely intangible, you can’t even feel it, Law can create matter within it, it’s as conceptual of a power as you can get. Nothing has ever interacted with it, not even another conceptual power like haki or willpower. Shockwaves will not and can not block it with all reason.
Ignore Gura and Ursus Shock if it confused you.
Ursus Shock is there to be compared to Law's shocks, not to Law's Room and its variations.
K-Room is a DF ability and like all other DF abilities, they fall inferior to haki. Haki conquers everything, after all.

So, I am pretty sure a regular haki barrier can stop K-Room and treat it as tangible.
The issue is Blackbeard ain't capable of it, thus he uses Gura. Dont try to make sense of it, just like Rubber shouldn't be able to touch Enel and yet it does. Immunity is one thing but touching it is something else entirely.
While BM was too sloppy and was ganged up in 1vs2 to be capable of blocking it with haki.

Law just tagged BB moments before and he tried it again, Blackbeard simply countered it.
There is nothing impressive in that scene but I kept seeing some amazing Gura-matching feat from Law so I had to investigate...
 
#36
The problem is BB used Gura punch which is irrelevant to haki and the usual way for WB/BB to block anything.


Ignore Gura and Ursus Shock if it confused you.
Ursus Shock is there to be compared to Law's shocks, not to Law's Room and its variations.
K-Room is a DF ability and like all other DF abilities, they fall inferior to haki. Haki conquers everything, after all.

So, I am pretty sure a regular haki barrier can stop K-Room and treat it as tangible.
The issue is Blackbeard ain't capable of it, thus he uses Gura. Dont try to make sense of it, just like Rubber shouldn't be able to touch Enel and yet it does. Immunity is one thing but touching it is something else entirely.
While BM was too sloppy and was ganged up in 1vs2 to be capable of blocking it with haki.

Law just tagged BB moments before and he tried it again, Blackbeard simply countered it.
There is nothing impressive in that scene but I kept seeing some amazing Gura-matching feat from Law so I had to investigate...
Yea, I completely disagree. I don’t even mind if haki can block or interact with room, it’s the in-verse conceptual solution to everything. The problem is that there’s no proof of even that ever happening yet.

An ordinary shockwave blocking a phasing room is like saying the blowing wind can stop Law from expanding his room.

BB used a shockwave attack, Law had to use another shockwave to cancel it. Otherwise it goes through his room/sword and hits him. Seems way more logical, does it? Lol
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#38
Can u even coat vibrations with coa?
I mean wb hurt akainu with them:quest:
According to that scene, yes otherwise should have dealt no damaji to Akainu.

Yea, I completely disagree. I don’t even mind if haki can block or interact with room, it’s the in-verse conceptual solution to everything. The problem is that there’s no proof of even that ever happening yet.

An ordinary shockwave blocking a phasing room is like saying the blowing wind can stop Law from expanding his room.

BB used a shockwave attack, Law had to use another shockwave to cancel it. Otherwise it goes through his room/sword and hits him. Seems way more logical, does it? Lol
Indeed, there is no proof yet. I explained why, Blackbeard ain't capable of it while BM was blindsided due to 1vs2.

As I said, it is not that wild, Blackbeard has no other way to block such thing.
I mean Gura was used to block magma attacks. Logically, vibrations can never stop that and yet they do...
Magma is fluid and yet it was treated like a solid...

We disagree on the whole thing, you think it was BB who attacked while I think it was Law who attacked.
It is default Gura blocking by punching into whatever comes their way, sees countless times before.
Meanwhile, Law blocking with K-Room is something that never happened.

When Law wants to block he uses anti-bacterial curtain or regular sword blocking.
However, if this was a shockwave attack from BB, he wouldn't try to block it to begin with but Shamble out of the way.
This is just a regular block tho from BB. And even when he uses it as attack it is so weak that fodder troops from Law's crew withstand it easily. Thus I am certain that this is Blackbeard stopping K-Room instead of Law stopping Gura punch.
 
#39
According to that scene, yes otherwise should have dealt no damaji to Akainu.


Indeed, there is no proof yet. I explained why, Blackbeard ain't capable of it while BM was blindsided due to 1vs2.

As I said, it is not that wild, Blackbeard has no other way to block such thing.
I mean Gura was used to block magma attacks. Logically, vibrations can never stop that and yet they do...
Magma is fluid and yet it was treated like a solid...

We disagree on the whole thing, you think it was BB who attacked while I think it was Law who attacked.
It is default Gura blocking by punching into whatever comes their way, sees countless times before.
Meanwhile, Law blocking with K-Room is something that never happened.

When Law wants to block he uses anti-bacterial curtain or regular sword blocking.
However, if this was a shockwave attack from BB, he wouldn't try to block it to begin with but Shamble out of the way.
This is just a regular block tho from BB. And even when he uses it as attack it is so weak that fodder troops from Law's crew withstand it easily. Thus I am certain that this is Blackbeard stopping K-Room instead of Law stopping Gura punch.
BM had all the time in the world to put up whatever type of haki defense, problem is she can’t. Oda invented this ability for that reason in the first place, to completely damage BM’s body.

You are assuming that Law would react with Shambles 100% of the time, everybody has options. Law didn’t show his awakening in Wano early since he’s not used to stamina drain.

They were far away from BB’s attack. And what if he wanted to block it precisely because there are fodders behind his back?

The simplest answer is that both of them just went for an attack, Law had to stop his phasing and release his shockwave early because if he doesn’t then he’ll get hit by BB’s shockwaves first. He can’t continuously phase then simultaneously release an attack as shown with Puncture Wille. More like a one time time release per sword length.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#40
BM had all the time in the world to put up whatever type of haki defense, problem is she can’t. Oda invented this ability for that reason in the first place, to completely damage BM’s body.

You are assuming that Law would react with Shambles 100% of the time, everybody has options. Law didn’t show his awakening in Wano early since he’s not used to stamina drain.

They were far away from BB’s attack. And what if he wanted to block it precisely because there are fodders behind his back?

The simplest answer is that both of them just went for an attack, Law had to stop his phasing and release his shockwave early because if he doesn’t then he’ll get hit by BB’s shockwaves first. He can’t continuously phase then simultaneously release an attack as shown with Puncture Wille. More like a one time time release per sword length.
When did she have that time when she was caught off-guard each time...
She can put up haki barriers, the problem is that both Law and Kidd followed up on each other's attack leaving BM flat out helpless.
Oda invented this ability because Law, just like Luffy, cannot break through the tough exterior.
What ID CoA is for Luffy, K-Room is for Law. Targeting the insides while ignoring the tough exterior.

There is no indication of Law wanting to block a weak thing that already failed to injure his troops.
There is an indication of BB wanting to block the thing that messed him up considerably just moments ago.
I see no hint whatsoever for Law going for an attack except for trying to plant Kikoku inside Blackbeard.
 
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