Controversial General Political Discussion

[AL sama]

Yeah the term is often used when actually xenophobia is meant. Or bigotry against muslims/arab.

I mean many people do fear Muslims and Islam thanks to some western extremist propaganda

 

[Blax Blah]

you shouldn't compare modern era with the old ones

nowadays only pedos would do such things

I believe it depends on what morals are founded in, for example from a view of christianity and probably judaism and Islam too that's evil no matter what no matter when,

 

[AL sama]

My friend from Bangladesh said it happened there, I know one of the mods here is Bangladeshi so idk if you can comment much about it.

there's law against child marriage but some morons do it anyways

the legal age for marriage is 23 for boys and 21 for girls

education plays a big part in all this cause most people who does such disgusting acts are uneducated in my country

 

[AL sama]

My friend from Bangladesh said it happened there, I know one of the mods here is Bangladeshi so idk if you can comment much about it.

btw I have no reason to stop anyone from talking about my country

 

[AL sama]

I believe it depends on what morals are founded in, for example from a view of christianity and probably judaism and Islam too that's evil no matter what no matter when,

it depends on how people interpret their religious scriptures

 

[Blax Blah]

it depends on how people interpret their religious scriptures

Yeah, but I think there are some things they say clearly and it's a matter of recognising what is said or twisting it

 

[AL sama]

Yeah, but I think there are some things they say clearly and it's a matter of recognising what is said or twisting it

I think too many things are too vague for average people to comprehend

 

[Gyro]

I mean many people do fear Muslims and Islam thanks to some western extremist propaganda

no, it's thanks to the religion itself
this religion is all about conquering and forcing people to go back to the 7th century and follow the strict rules of their god , and the punishments if you didn't follow or criticized said religion ...... let's say are not nice .

don't put the blame on the west.

im an ex muslim btw

 

[Zenos7]

I think too many things are too vague for average people to comprehend

if you are a sunni muslim and aisha herself states she was 9 years old in the sunni hadith collections that are deemed credible then there is nothing vague about. and the prophet is seen as the perfect example of human conduct for all times.

thats why i think this "different times" argument is total bs.

 

[AL sama]

no, it's thanks to the religion itself
this religion is all about conquering and forcing people to go back to the 7th century and follow the strict rules of their god , and the punishments if you didn't follow or criticized said religion ...... let's say are not nice .

don't put the blame on the west.

im an ex muslim btw

ah no and even if you were Muslim I don't think you understand Islam wll enough

btw I m a Muslim who is almost a non-believer

 

[Zenos7]

don't put the blame on the west.

but we should blame the racists who instrumentalize criticism of islam to push their bigotry against muslims as people.

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Islamophobia goes beyond the description of irrationnal fear or hatred for Islam. Just like antisemitism is more than the hate or fear of semites or homophobia or transphobia are more than the fear of homosexual or trans people.

All those terms (islamophobia included) are used by researchers to describe systems of oppression against certain people.

So, when we talk about Islamophobia, we don't talk about religion, we talk about the systemic oppression that face muslims in the west and in countries like China.

then the term is misleading as fuck, since its named ISLAMophobia, but apparently isnt abuot the religion islam but just its adherents. thats why i prefer terms like racism or xenophobia, or, even if a little convoluted, anti-muslim bigotry.

 

[Gyro]

ah no and even if you were Muslim I don't think you understand Islam wll enough

btw I m a Muslim who is almost a non-believer

I can debate you now if you want
I can even speak arabic

maybe you're exposed to the westernized modern islam .
i was exposed to the real islam.

 

[AL sama]

if you are a sunni muslim and aisha herself states she was 9 years old in the sunni hadith collections that are deemed credible then there is nothing vague about. and the prophet is seen as the perfect example of human conduct for all times.

average joes are stupid and your point is valid but do you know when they made physical relationship??

thats why i think this "different times" argument is total bs.

how so?? do you expect people from that era to have modern views??

I m not justifying anything here rather I m sating it was pretty normal back then

 

[AL sama]

maybe you're exposed to the westernized modern islam .
i was exposed to the real islam.

you're from India
I m from Bangladesh

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It’s because pedophilia and the age of consent are relatively modern concepts.

While this is true, there are centuries old folk tales dealing with the issue and showing it as problematic.

A lot of Islamic cultures haven’t fully modernized to the extent of the west. Hence I do believe child marriage is common in some of those countries.

In some US States it is legal.

did many of these past societies bring forth a belief system that is supposed to be applicable forever?

What do you mean by this?

There is no such thing as islamophobia , phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear or hatred , this term was created to shut people up from speaking their minds and exposing the religion , and you're a perfect example of that .

Anti Islamic bias then. We should be talking about every religion's negative sides.

regardedless of to which political party public office bearer belongs to

😂Murica is a one party state

Anyone who is responsible for this should be fired immediately.

Also, it surprises me that a country so advanced like USA doesn't have houses build with flame retardant materials and roof sprinklers in a wildfire hazard zones

It's by design. Remember that fire in Hawaii?

no, it's thanks to the religion itself
this religion is all about conquering and forcing people to go back to the 7th century and follow the strict rules of their god , and the punishments if you didn't follow or criticized said religion ...... let's say are not nice .

don't put the blame on the west.

im an ex muslim btw

Yes you definitely have a point. Doesn't mean all Muslims are like this. That's why the distinction between fundamentalists and moderates exist in basically every religion. Unlike Islam, Christianity was not founded by a genocidal warlord but once it gained support among elites they quickly made sure to ''fix'' that

 

[Logiko]

then the term is misleading as fuck, since its named ISLAMophobia, but apparently isnt abuot the religion islam but just its adherents. thats why i prefer terms like racism or xenophobia, or, even if a little convoluted, anti-muslim bigotry

Islamophobia is sociologically a form of racism.

Yes. It's a bit confusing but it was simply used as such because muslim were already using it that way to talk about what they were leaving. We can talk about the term if you want, but that's howit is now and it won't change very soon.

So we might as well accept it and talk about it as it is. it's important to talk about Islamophobia as a specific form of racism because currently, it is invisibilized and yet highly present in western societies.

 

[Gyro]

average joes are stupid and your point is valid but do you know when they made physical relationship??

how so?? do you expect people from that era to have modern views??

I m not justifying anything here rather I m sating it was pretty normal back then

Im not justifying anything but im justifying everything lol

islam supposedly came from an all knowing god so you can't use the different timing excuse

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you're from India
I m from Bangladesh

im not from india wtf

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Yes you definitely have a point. Doesn't mean all Muslims are like this. That's why the distinction between fundamentalists and moderates exist in basically every religion. Unlike Islam, Christianity was not founded by a genocidal warlord but once it gained support among elites they quickly made sure to ''fix'' that

i know that
im talking about the religion itself and the people who follow it blindly

not the moderates who follow the modernized islam.

 

[AL sama]

islam supposedly came from an all knowing god so you can't use the different timing excuse

I m almost a non believer so my point is just showing where the thought came from and nothing more

im not from india wtf

yet you were screaming racists when people insulted you as such a few weeks a

ok my bad but not my fault for thinking you're one

 

[Zenos7]

average joes are stupid and your point is valid but do you know when they made physical relationship??

when she was 9 years old. according to the credible sunni hadith. some of which are accredited to aisha herself.

how so?? do you expect people from that era to have modern views??

I m not justifying anything here rather I m sating it was pretty normal back then

because the prophet wasnt just an example for human conduct back then, he still is. so this argument just doesnt work. it can only work as deflection with people who dont know about him still being the perfect example for human conduct. pointing to other assholes who were pedo throughout history is meaningless when no one is taking them or their behavior as an example today.

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What do you mean by this?

islam is still applicable, its not comparable to other societies having child marriages because they didnt create a belief system that is still sticking around.

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Doesn't mean all Muslims are like this.

most arent. at least i dont know a single one that supports child marriage or wife beating or the death sentence for apostates. (i mean irl, there is of course plenty apologists who do. . .)

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Islamophobia is sociologically a form of racism.

Yes. It's a bit confusing but it was simply used as such because muslim were already using it that way to talk about what they were leaving. We can talk about the term if you want, but that's howit is now and it won't change very soon.

So we might as well accept it and talk about it as it is. it's important to talk about Islamophobia as a specific form of racism because currently, it is invisibilized and yet highly present in western societies.

sure, but there is the issue of people exploiting this term to silence criticism of islam or brand critics of islam as racists when they are not.

which is why i never use the term and im with Gyro, if you take this term at face value, its bs. because there is nothing irrational about hating an oppressive, dangerous, totalitarian belief system.

 

[Gyro]

yet you were screaming racists when people insulted you as such a few weeks a

ok my bad but not my fault for thinking you're one

so, if someone calls me the N word, I should stay silent just because I'm not Black? does that mean I should only stand up to racists if they insult me based on my own race ? only if they got my race right i should get angry ? I don't have to be Indian to feel anger when a racist calls me a "dirty Indian." standing up against racism is about basic human decency and compassion. racism is wrong, period, no matter who it’s directed at.
how about thinking critically before you speak?

and btw in that thread i said multiple times im not an indian , and I don't look remotely indian.