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Ok, but you do understand that its still applicable today? so handwaving the problem with "different era" not being productive by any means?
the sahih sunni hadiths have her age at 6/7 at the point of marriage and at 9 at the consummation of marriage. to arrive at a different age you have to perform some mental gymnastics by using ages of different characters (Despite her age being directly stated multiple times by multiple people) or straight up rejecting the hadiths altogether (which wouldnt really help that case though)
the sahih sunni hadiths have her age at 6/7 at the point of marriage and at 9 at the consummation of marriage. to arrive at a different age you have to perform some mental gymnastics by using ages of different characters (Despite her age being directly stated multiple times by multiple people) or straight up rejecting the hadiths altogether (which wouldnt really help that case though)
Yeah. I was using that argument too when I was using my hate of Islam to reply to muslim who were using that term that they were legitimizing violence against those who are blaspheming.
..Not understanding that I was talking to people who are in reality expressing just the TIP of the frustration they accumulate under the oppression that is systemic Islamophobia, the tip being the straw that breaks the camel's back in their case.
People would be a lot more encline to accept blasphemy or the critic of Islam if they were not targetted daily by people, politics and medias.
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As for Islam.
A good materialist recognize that religion while being sub systems of oppression are not the problems are their interpretation evolves with times.
A such, the real problem is patriarchy and capitalism. Not Islam. Unless the oppression start to become a systemic problem, religion are simply a reflection of other oppressions, oppressions that are ignored vulontarily by people who are hating daily on Islam and muslims.
..Not understanding that I was talking to people who are in reality expressing just the TIP of the frustration they accumulate under the oppression that is systemic Islamophobia, the tip being the straw that breaks the camel's back in their case.
People would be a lot more encline to accept blasphemy or the critic of Islam if they were not targetted daily by people, politics and medias.
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As for Islam.
A good materialist recognize that religion while being sub systems of oppression are not the problems are their interpretation evolves with times.
A such, the real problem is patriarchy and capitalism. Not Islam. Unless the oppression start to become a systemic problem, religion are simply a reflection of other oppressions, oppressions that are ignored vulontarily by people who are hating daily on Islam and muslims.
Or, there are legit people who use it solely to silence critics of islam by branding them racists.
capitalism and patriarchy arent about putting apostates or homosexuals to death.
you can do this dance, i wont. islam is just as much a problem
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capitalism and patriarchy arent about putting apostates or homosexuals to death.
you can do this dance, i wont. islam is just as much a problem
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muslims' inability to accept blasphemy or criticism of Islam has nothing to do with them being targeted. Instead, it stems from deep seated indoctrination
I was born a Muslim, and this is what I was taught , not just by my family, but also by the society and media of the Muslim world (not limited to my country):
"we Muslims are the ones who are right; everyone else is wrong. Don't let anyone speak badly about the religion or the Prophet because God will be angry. Blasphemers deserve death because we're right. We are the good ones, while Jews, Christians, and the West are inherently bad. We are victims, and the whole world is conspiring against us. etc..."
this narrative isn't just a one time lesson , it's a constant, repetitive message reinforced through religious sermons, educational systems, and social discourse. It creates a mindset where questioning or dissent is not merely discouraged , it is considered a betrayal of faith, an unforgivable sin that can lead to death
even if Muslims were given the entire world, they would still not allow criticism of their religion or Prophet. This inability to tolerate differing perspectives or engage in open dialogue about their faith is not accidental , it's a direct outcome of the ideological framework Islam fosters
the root of the problem is not external factors, such as "Islamophobia" or perceived conspiracies. The real problem lies within Islam itself , the way it is structured, taught, and enforced. Islam, places unquestionable reverence above reason, faith above facts, and obedience above critical thought
this indoctrination creates a paradox , while muslims are taught to believe they are victims of global conspiracies, they are also conditioned to suppress the freedom of others to think, speak, or question. This dual narrative of victimhood and superiority leaves no room for growth, introspection, or meaningful reform
I was born a Muslim, and this is what I was taught , not just by my family, but also by the society and media of the Muslim world (not limited to my country):
"we Muslims are the ones who are right; everyone else is wrong. Don't let anyone speak badly about the religion or the Prophet because God will be angry. Blasphemers deserve death because we're right. We are the good ones, while Jews, Christians, and the West are inherently bad. We are victims, and the whole world is conspiring against us. etc..."
this narrative isn't just a one time lesson , it's a constant, repetitive message reinforced through religious sermons, educational systems, and social discourse. It creates a mindset where questioning or dissent is not merely discouraged , it is considered a betrayal of faith, an unforgivable sin that can lead to death
even if Muslims were given the entire world, they would still not allow criticism of their religion or Prophet. This inability to tolerate differing perspectives or engage in open dialogue about their faith is not accidental , it's a direct outcome of the ideological framework Islam fosters
the root of the problem is not external factors, such as "Islamophobia" or perceived conspiracies. The real problem lies within Islam itself , the way it is structured, taught, and enforced. Islam, places unquestionable reverence above reason, faith above facts, and obedience above critical thought
this indoctrination creates a paradox , while muslims are taught to believe they are victims of global conspiracies, they are also conditioned to suppress the freedom of others to think, speak, or question. This dual narrative of victimhood and superiority leaves no room for growth, introspection, or meaningful reform
Yes. The same who are oppressed by Systemic Islamophobia. So, instead of focusing on their arguments, try to look at what they are not telling you.
Actually yes. It is. Less for capitalism but it participate in that.
Patriarchy is the PRIME reason why homosexuals are targetted.
Patriarchy created over the time something we call heteronormativity. Heteronormativity is exactly the reason why LGBTQI+ communities are targetted by the far right.
Leftist library >>
UNDERSTANDING HETERONORMATIVITY
- [VIDEO] - What is heteronormativity ?
- [VIDEO] - Gender studies / The theory of Gender - Sociology
- [VIDEO] - Understanding Gender - Judith Butler
No.
And I won't discuss with you on that.
Actually yes. It is. Less for capitalism but it participate in that.
Patriarchy is the PRIME reason why homosexuals are targetted.
Patriarchy created over the time something we call heteronormativity. Heteronormativity is exactly the reason why LGBTQI+ communities are targetted by the far right.
Leftist library >>
UNDERSTANDING HETERONORMATIVITY
- [VIDEO] - What is heteronormativity ?
- [VIDEO] - Gender studies / The theory of Gender - Sociology
- [VIDEO] - Understanding Gender - Judith Butler
No.
And I won't discuss with you on that.
consider the following example
you may see ads on YouTube showing Palestinians in Gaza crying out for help, pleading, "Where is your humanity? Help me, I’m a human. If you care about human life, don’t skip this video. From human to human, where’s your heart and compassion?" These appeals tug at your sense of empathy and moral obligation.
but these same individuals, who appeal to universal human values when they are victims, often have zero issue when the same principles are denied to others. They would not bat an eye if:
A gay person was thrown off a rooftop to their death simply for being born gay.
A woman was stoned to death for choosing to have consensual sex with a man outside of marriage.
A man was beheaded for exercising his right to leave the religion.
This stark hypocrisy is not incidental
it's a product of indoctrination. Muslims are conditioned to view themselves as perpetual victims deserving global compassion, yet they are also taught to show no empathy for those who transgress their rigid moral and religious codes.
Stop making excuses , this cult is evil.
you may see ads on YouTube showing Palestinians in Gaza crying out for help, pleading, "Where is your humanity? Help me, I’m a human. If you care about human life, don’t skip this video. From human to human, where’s your heart and compassion?" These appeals tug at your sense of empathy and moral obligation.
but these same individuals, who appeal to universal human values when they are victims, often have zero issue when the same principles are denied to others. They would not bat an eye if:
A gay person was thrown off a rooftop to their death simply for being born gay.
A woman was stoned to death for choosing to have consensual sex with a man outside of marriage.
A man was beheaded for exercising his right to leave the religion.
This stark hypocrisy is not incidental
it's a product of indoctrination. Muslims are conditioned to view themselves as perpetual victims deserving global compassion, yet they are also taught to show no empathy for those who transgress their rigid moral and religious codes.
Stop making excuses , this cult is evil.