Powers & Abilities Debunking Literally Every Argument Against Ryokugyu’s Black Blade UPDATE: Remembering The Fallen

Does Ryokugyu Have A Black Blade?

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Dragon777

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trav said:
You really deserve the ridicule.
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Are you really trying to look desperate here?

Literally Oda:

O: It's hard to say what exactly a profile is, but things like age and height leave room for imagination. More detailed character data can be found in the Vivre Card - One Piece Visual Dictionary. I don't mean to be mean and not write about it in the SBS so you have to buy it, but I physically can't compete with you in terms of the amount of information. I'll answer if you ask, so please forgive me.
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Literally Oda, I mean: "for age and height (character data), see the VCs"

You: "VCs are not canon because of heights".

And then you talk about ridicule lol.

At least when Oda has explicitly said something with no puns or jokes inside, let go.
 
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King7

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CbShadow said:
Black blades are weapons people are proud to possess. Oda has black blade users show off their swords shortly after they are introduced and tells us their black blades. That's how we know a weapon is a black blade.

Mihawk and Ryuma both told us their weapons were black blades.



That didn't happen with Aramaki's weapon. It's been 83 chapter since Aramaki's weapon was revived and there are no scenes stating it's a black blade.

Oda has Mihawk and Ryuma show off and use their black blade immediately.



The strength of their opponents are irrelevant. Mihawk and Ryuma used it against fodder.

We didn't see any of that from GB. If GB has a black blade why did Oda change it for GB. He has had plenty of opportunities and opponents to use his weapon against.

GB battle in the Holy Land would have been the the perfect opportunity since his DF power was to destructive to use there. Strong swordsman know how to control their cutting and destructive power.
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Why can't it be different for GB tbh, it's not like Oda has a rule that he must have all black blade users state their black blades,

Or use it immediately. Especially since Aramaki is based on Gennai Aramaki in Ronin-Gai - it's said that he never used his sword until the end ( correct or not? @Dragon777 ), and that nobody ever saw him using a sword outside his GF

If that's true, it seems Oda is following that so far with how GB never used his sword in Wano/Mariejois.

Edit : Regardless of everything, he's likely gonna use it eventually. It could still be a black blade by the time he uses it.
CbShadow said:
What's even more interesting is the weapons he gave Fujitora and GB as a child.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851307594687668504
Oda gave Fujitora a training sword and an outfit almost identical to Ryuma's outfit. Yet GB was giving a wooden club. It's almost like Oda is trying to tell us something. Especially when you look at their adult weapons. Fujitora has a sword that looks like a wooden walking stick.
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CbShadow said:
Since that's true, what weapon do you think he gave GB? A black blade or a wooden sword that looks like a black blade?
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A metal black blade ?

Fuji's transition :
As a kid : wooden sword
Adult : metal sword, which just happens to have a wood sheath.

If Oda is applying that transition to GB, then :
Kid : wood club
Adult : metal sword, and since it has haki ( what else is the black colour? ) without GB using it, it is a metal black blade.

But, i don't give much crap if it's a wood sword coated with permanent haki
( wooden black blade )

You haven't explained the blackness of the sword, what do you think it is, Haki or Paint?

What about the Hamon?
Since you throw the sword creation burden on GB, how did he create the hamon?
Did he create it with the traditional way, the so called "differential hardening"?
Or did he create it with this so called "wire brushed" method?
Or with "Chemical Etched" method?
https://www.hanbonforge.com/blog/How-to-distinguish-fake-and-real-Hamon

Or did he create it with a pencil? A pen perhaps?
Or did he create it with brush + paint?

And what is the purpose of Hamon on his wooden sword?
Did he create it just so that it looks like a metal sword? <- if that is true, why did he do that? Is it because he's insecure somehow?
 
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Owl Ki

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CbShadow said:
At least my fanfiction is plausible. I guess believing a character with wood df power using their power to create a wood weapon is a stretch when you're blinded by your agenda.
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It would actually be rather peculiar for Aramaki to keep on his person at all times a regular wooden sword that he created. Nobody else in this series does something similar to that hypothetical.

Aokiji doesn't keep a special ice sword on him at all times.

Kizaru doesn't keep a special light sword on him at all times.

Cracker doesn't keep a special biscuit sword on him at all times. He still keeps a metal sword on him.

Every single character that creates weapons out of their expendable devil fruit related materials never keeps such a weapon on them at all times. Why? Because such a weapon is fundamentally disposable since they can just create infinity of them. They create and discard such weapons as they need them.

Aramaki keeps that sword on him at all times, so logically it must be special for some reason. If it was just something he created and put little investment into then he wouldn't be so attached to it.
CbShadow said:
It's not like it's possible to create weapons out of wood or real wood weapons exist. Oh wait, there are.
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Yet such a weapon would still be a legitimate sword regardless in the world of One Piece. Lol.
CbShadow said:
Not manga facts like characters telling us their weapon is a black blade.
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Which they only say once they whip out their sword and/or before a dramatic 1v1 fight. Mihawk didn't start blabbering about his black blade as soon as he appeared on his coffin boat and Ryuuma didn't blabber about his black blade to Brook. They only started talking about it when they found a swordsman that they found respectable.
CbShadow said:
All three examples I provided are great examples why we shouldn't automatically assume it's a black blade. Cracker weapons are the best example. He scenes proved how it's possible for a df user to use their df power to create weapons from their DF that are identical in appearance too real weapons.
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You provided two examples of weapons that looked like swords being used as swords cause they are swords and one example of a dagger being used the same way a particular individual would use a sword anyway.

Now statistically compare that to the number of times that weapons that looked like swords ended up being swords. :pepecafe:
CbShadow said:
I don't think you realize it but your post just help make the wooden sword argument.

I'm not saying Cracker biscuit swords are not real weapons. I'm saying they're not real metal swords.
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Mate, I literally just said that the hypothetical wooden sword argument is irrelevant cause it would still be a fully functional sword in this world anyway. What don't you understand?

Its function determines what it is, not its materials.
 
King7

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CbShadow said:
Black blades are weapons people are proud to possess. Oda has black blade users show off their swords shortly after they are introduced and tells us their black blades. That's how we know a weapon is a black blade.

Mihawk and Ryuma both told us their weapons were black blades.



That didn't happen with Aramaki's weapon. It's been 83 chapter since Aramaki's weapon was revived and there are no scenes stating it's a black blade.

Oda has Mihawk and Ryuma show off and use their black blade immediately.



The strength of their opponents are irrelevant. Mihawk and Ryuma used it against fodder.

We didn't see any of that from GB. If GB has a black blade why did Oda change it for GB. He has had plenty of opportunities and opponents to use his weapon against.

GB battle in the Holy Land would have been the the perfect opportunity since his DF power was to destructive to use there. Strong swordsman know how to control their cutting and destructive power.
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If you doubt GB is a black blade user for always not using his blade then you can probably also doubt him being a Supreme or even a Great Grade user, since the 5 confirmed Supreme users so far always used their blades, same with Oden ( a Great Grade top tier ), probably also the same with Ryuma.

Seems like too much doubting, especially with Oda giving GB's fellow Admiral a Supreme.
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Owl Ki said:
Which they only say once they whip out their sword and/or before a dramatic 1v1 fight. Mihawk didn't start blabbering about his black blade as soon as he appeared on his coffin boat and Ryuuma didn't blabber about his black blade to Brook. They only started talking about it when they found a swordsman that they found respectable.
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I agree with this, Mihawk likely never talked about Yoru during his entire chase of Don Krieg
 
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CbShadow

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King7 said:
Why can't it be different for GB tbh, it's not like Oda has a rule that he must have all black blade users state their black blades,

Or use it immediately. Especially since Aramaki is based on Gennai Aramaki in Ronin-Gai - it's said that he never used his sword until the end ( correct or not? @Dragon777 ), and that nobody ever saw him using a sword outside his GF

If that's true, it seems Oda is following that so far with how GB never used his sword in Wano/Mariejois.

Edit : Regardless of everything, he's likely gonna use it eventually. It could still be a black blade by the time he uses it.


A metal black blade ?

Fuji's transition :
As a kid : wooden sword
Adult : metal sword, which just happens to have a wood sheath.

If Oda is applying that transition to GB, then :
Kid : wood club
Adult : metal sword, and since it has hardening without GB using it, it is a metal black blade.

But, i don't give much crap if it's a wood sword coated with permanent hardening
( wooden black blade )

You haven't explained the blackness of the sword, what do you think it is, Hardening or Paint?

What about the Hamon?
Since you throw the sword creation burden on GB, how did he create the hamon?
Did he create it with the traditional way, the so called "differential hardening"?
Or did he create it with this so called "wire brushed" method?
Or with "Chemical Etched" method?
https://www.hanbonforge.com/blog/How-to-distinguish-fake-and-real-Hamon

Or did he create it with a pencil? A pen perhaps?
Or did he create it with brush + paint?

And what is the purpose of Hamon on his wooden sword?
Did he create it just so that it looks like a metal sword? <- if that is true, why did he do that? Is it because he's insecure somehow?
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If you understand how Oda write you know that he he repeats the same patterns throughout the story. When I see Oda deviate from his normal pattern I'm going to question why.

There not be a set of rules for black blades but I noticed a pattern with the way OdA handles black blades. Since GB weapon didn't follow that pattern I question whether his weapon is a black blade or something else like a wooden sword. I'm not going to automatically assume it's a black blade since we don't have confirmation it is one like the other two black blades.

There will always be questions in one piece that will go unanswered and scene that don't make any sense. Cracker biscuit swords look like metal swords while his biscuit shield looks like a giant biscuit. Why was that? Who knows and we will probably never get an answer for it. I try to look for answers to only the important questions.

Oda could give GB weapon a hamon and make it black to trick the readers. Who's Who didn't need a sword size sheath from his blade. It didn't serve an purpose other than to trick the readers into believing he had a sword.

Sometime I ask myself if people forget they are reading a fiction series. We see stuff all the time that makes no sense and are impossibe. Cracker painted his biscuit soldiers and weapon with biscuit dust. That's impossible but it happened.

Stuff like this happens all the time but nobody ever questions it. The only reason why it's been questioned now is because it's going against people's agenda.
 
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Poorsalino Cooker

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CbShadow said:
If you understand how Oda write you know that he he repeats the same patterns throughout the story. When I see Oda deviate from his normal pattern I'm going to question why.

There not be a set of rules for black blades but I noticed a pattern with the way OdA handles black blades. Since GB weapon didn't follow that pattern I question whether his weapon is a black blade or something else like a wooden sword. I'm not going to automatically assume it's a black blade since we don't have confirmation it is one like the other two black blades.

There will always be questions in one piece that will go unanswered and scene that don't make any sense. Cracker biscuit swords look like metal swords while his biscuit shield looks like a giant biscuit. Why was that? Who knows and we will probably never get an answer for it. I try to look for answers to only the important questions.

Oda could give GB weapon a hamon and make it black to trick the readers. Who's Who didn't need a sword size sheath from his blade. It didn't serve an purpose other than to trick the readers into believing he had a sword.

Sometime I ask myself if people forget they are reading a fiction series. We see stuff all the time that makes no sense and are impossibe. Cracker painted his biscuit soldiers and weapon with biscuit dust. That's impossible but it happened.

Stuff like this happens all the time but nobody ever questions it. The only reason why it's been questioned now is because it's going against people's agenda.
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This is just getting embarrassing. Like just drop the biscuit stuff. A more half-decent counter-theory would be that maybe Greenbull was given or took the black blade from someone like what happened to Zoro with Ryuma and Oden's swords. But this biscuit shit is the weirdest cope I've ever seen.
 
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