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What's funny is that even though swordstans love to overhype King so much, Oda himself really doesn't care about King that much.

King was completely overshadowed by Queen and Oda gave a more interesting background to Queen than to King.

Oda barely focused on King until his fight against Zoro.

Other than his design and him being a Lunarian, his overall focus as a character ended up being mid.

Meanwhile Katakuri back during the WCI arc had way more focus as a character.

Oda gave Katakuri CoC, Future Sight, very strong CoA, and Awakening.

He gave none of those to King, and King only ended up having basic haki despite some believing he would have advanced CoA.

The only reason why King is somewhat important is because of his race, that is pretty much it.
 
@Sentinel @MarineHQ
What's funny is that even though swordstans love to overhype King so much, Oda himself really doesn't care about King that much.

King was completely overshadowed by Queen and Oda gave a more interesting background to Queen than to King.

Oda barely focused on King until his fight against Zoro.

Other than his design and him being a Lunarian, his overall focus as a character ended up being mid.

Meanwhile Katakuri back during the WCI arc had way more focus as a character.

Oda gave Katakuri CoC, Future Sight, very strong CoA, and Awakening.

He gave none of those to King, and King only ended up having basic haki despite some believing he would have advanced CoA.

The only reason why King is somewhat important is because of his race, that is pretty much it.
They are jealous Katakuri was better written.

Btw, do you have any manga evidence to support your claim? Asking before nik or cb do. Lmao.
 
Cracker couldn't pierce King's ball sacks with his best attack, why is he in the discussion? If it were Kata vs King I'd understand. But Cracker gets split in half one second into the fight.
Y'all take this troll shit too far to the point where you genuinely believe the fight would go any other way despite us knowing for a fact that King is superior to Cracker in every single way imaginable.
Go ahead and tell me how Cracker will do anything to King when even Rooftop Zoro couldn't.
 
Cracker couldn't pierce King's ball sacks with his best attack, why is he in the discussion? If it were Kata vs King I'd understand. But Cracker gets split in half one second into the fight.
Yall take this troll shit too far to the point where you genuinely believe the fight would go any other way despite us knowing for a fact that King is superior to Cracker in every single way imaginable.
It's not Cracker solo. It's Cracker + Flampe in my own fanfic variant.
 
Because, as you see, nobody can counter my points for 21 pages straight.
If it goes on like this and no counter-argument is presented, we can go on till eternity...


Door to Poneglyph room wasn't King's level nor had invincibility and she still couldn't pass it.
Once she beats the door, next obstacle is the waterfall. She is not worthy to stand in front of King.


When you talk about firepower, Zoro is the guy at the top of the chart so you are indeed in Zoro Piece.


What is their hax to counter King's aerial supremacy?
We have manga panels showing King's destructivity and invincibility, there is no overrating here.
Future sight and awakening are useless on the ground or against fire-based AOE powers. Katakuri is a mere Hiken victim.
A wall of biscuits doesn't help against heat and a shockwave or magma-like AOE that is severely bigger than biscuits which King controls freely.

How do you imagine they deal damage to King when the guy who left a scar on Kaido couldn't damage King?
Are you saying Katakuri and Cracker can damage Kaido more than Zoro did?
Smoothie is fodder to King, she will get one-shotted before she blinks. Her long range moves couldn't hit a ship...
Exhausted Luffy post Cracker has no parallel with King. He is a weakling in that state while King is tougher than the Mama and they admitted they cant do anything to stop her, even in weakened state.

And what happens when they figure it out? Nothing. Just like nothing happened when Zoro told Luffy and Lucci about it.
You still need firepower to damage someone tougher than Kaido and Mama, whether you know Lunarians or not.
Candy jacketed bullets... Oh no... What is a guy tougher than Kaido gonna do against those mighty bullets... He is doomed!
There is no numerical advantage against King, Jackpot, flight and Temprua Udon neutralize any numerical advantage, not that he would be bothered by a gang of healing panchi merchants to begin with... You saw how numerical advantage is of no use when Scabbards ganged up on Kaido and King is tougher than Kaido with even better AOEs than Kaido and far more lethal moves.
I think it is laughable to think that the entire family, Big Mom included, can do anything in this scenario. They are completely screwed.


It is not a bait if it is true.


This thread exists to show while some downplayers think Cracker can handle King, literally nobody can prove that the entire family can handle King invading their territory and burning them down from the sky. That's how easily the trolls get debunked.
Cracker's biscuit can tank most of King's aerial attacks. Katakuri's awakening can do the same. Peerless mochi can attack him on the sky. Re-read Wano. King's durability is caused by his flames being up, those can't be up all the time. His normal state is flames down. Eventually, he will gas himself and show openings. Izo fucking managed to disarm King lol. Marco hurt King with casual kicks. Zoro landed attacks and made him bleed when his flames were down multiple times. You are overrating King and underestimating the BMP. Magma attacks? Jinbe was tanking those with his bare hands pre-skip. Any Sweet Commander can replicate that feat with COA. Stop wanking King.
 
King with his flame off is more durable than kaido.
King with his flame off was only damaged by zoros Acoc attacks and needed MULTIPLE to lose
Did you miss Marco vs King and Queen?
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I guess only two options remain here for BMP to tackle King if their collective hax doesnt work.
1. Katakuri somehow learn Internal destruction/ACoc and be able to damage King
2. King stamina goes drained and is out of flame mode.
Number 2 is cannon.
 
For katakuri I meant any restrction type moves or attacks he has melded his Fruit with his Armament. Jinbe showed how when it is in that state it gets affected.
Question though.Considering Mochi is flammable,can Katakuri even use his portals all around the island if King has burned the ground throught the island?
The portals don't appear out of thin air. They come directly vertically out of his mochi awakening which will be burned immediately in this case.

The places he will be able to built them is limited.
Affected by enough moisture, not only different element we are talking about here, but also it takes hundreds of liters of moisture for mochi to be affected, wheareas the heat of a hot tea generated is enough to melt Perospero's candy prothesis:

Of course until Oda explictly changes properties of mochi, or makes it fire proof as he did with Greenbull's plants for example, we can assume by by virtue of mochi's nature, restriction type of moves wouldn't work since mochi would get in direct conatct with King and therefore his flames would just burn through it after insert amount of time here, but not only can Katakuri turn any part of the enviroment he desires into mochi and properly adjust the direction of any move before King would even be able to react to, he can move the portals freely at will.

You'd have to create a biased and fairly unrealistic scenario in favor of King to think he'd just burn the entire island the fight takes place on before Katakuri, let alone the BMP can interfer, like not even Ace has accomplished that and King's feats don't suggest anything like that..Btw, Oven controls heat itself, so shouldn't he able to shut the flames down?

Daifuku's genie was easily stopped from base Sanji in its biggest form and Daifuku is shit wihtout it and unprotected. Yonji was restraining it in its smaller form .C'mon now.. Smoothie couldn't even target a ship correctly. Her Slashes on air/water are slow.

Izo managing that before any fight begun is completely moot when Zoro in the whole fight never managed to do it even after gaining huge power spike with FCoc.
Or the presecence of multiple targets in the form of all Scabbards led to King not being solely focused on Izo?



Obviously any of the mentioned BMPs bar Katakuri is an ant to King, but when there is already an future sight user that can spam G3+ level of punches from anywhere in combination with enviromental control on his ass, it's asinine to think they wouldn't make any difference, like catching King off guard and pushing him into the right direction is all they need to accomplish...
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Affected by enough moisture, not only different element we are talking about here, but also it takes hundreds of liters of moisture for mochi to be affected, wheareas the heat of a hot tea generated is enough to melt Perospero's candy prothesis:

Of course until Oda explictly changes properties of mochi, or makes it fire proof as he did with Greenbull's plants for example, we can assume by by virtue of mochi's nature, restriction type of moves wouldn't work since mochi would get in direct conatct with King and therefore his flames would just burn through it after insert amount of time here, but not only can Katakuri turn any part of the enviroment he desires into mochi and properly adjust the direction of any move before King would even be able to react to, he can move the portals freely at will.

You'd have to create a biased and fairly unrealistic scenario in favor of King to think he'd just burn the entire island the fight takes place on before Katakuri, let alone the BMP can interfer, like not even Ace has accomplished that and King's feats don't suggest anything like that..Btw, Oven controls heat itself, so shouldn't he able to shut the flames down?


Or the presecence of multiple targets in the form of all Scabbards led to King not being solely focused on Izo?



Obviously any of the mentioned BMPs bar Katakuri is an ant to King, but when there is already an future sight user that can spam G3+ level of punches from anywhere in combination with enviromental control on his ass, it's asinine to think they wouldn't make any difference, like catching King off guard and pushing him into the right direction is all they need to accomplish...
Irrelevant point
Kaido was also disarmed when not on guard

Did they disarm him when they actually fought him on the roof ?
No
 
Irrelevant point
Kaido was also disarmed when not on guard

Did they disarm him when they actually fought him on the roof ?
No
The scene just goes to demonstrate how easy it would be for King to get caught of guard, when he'd be facing the entire BMP
There is no realistic scenario in which he keeps track of all of them before getting corned from all sides.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
The scene just goes to demonstrate how easy it would be for King to get caught of guard, when he'd be facing the entire BMP
There is no realistic scenario in which he keeps track of all of them before getting corned from all sides.
No it doesn't.
Same as kaido wasn't disarmed 1 vs 9 vs the scabbards on the roof. Despite it happening in the middle of the party.
Even then it doesn't matter cause he has more tools than just his swordsmanship.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
@Sentinel @MarineHQ
What's funny is that even though swordstans love to overhype King so much, Oda himself really doesn't care about King that much.

King was completely overshadowed by Queen and Oda gave a more interesting background to Queen than to King.

Oda barely focused on King until his fight against Zoro.

Other than his design and him being a Lunarian, his overall focus as a character ended up being mid.

Meanwhile Katakuri back during the WCI arc had way more focus as a character.

Oda gave Katakuri CoC, Future Sight, very strong CoA, and Awakening.

He gave none of those to King, and King only ended up having basic haki despite some believing he would have advanced CoA.

The only reason why King is somewhat important is because of his race, that is pretty much it.
When you have to talk about character development in a thread about feats, we know what time it is. :milaugh:

Cracker couldn't pierce King's ball sacks with his best attack, why is he in the discussion? If it were Kata vs King I'd understand. But Cracker gets split in half one second into the fight.
Y'all take this troll shit too far to the point where you genuinely believe the fight would go any other way despite us knowing for a fact that King is superior to Cracker in every single way imaginable.
Go ahead and tell me how Cracker will do anything to King when even Rooftop Zoro couldn't.
This is not King vs Cracker.
This is King vs Cracker, Katakuri, Big Mom, Smoothie and everyone else, at the same time.
I would love to hear how the family with the lowest firepower in the show will deal any damage to a guy tougher than Kaido.

The guy who can nuke them all into the afterlife at the same time.
Is Katakuri's famous 113 deluxe healing panchi going to be the thing that can deal significant damage to Kaido?
Kaido is the first obstacle here, when they can deal enough damage to him, they are still not ready to deal enough damage to King.


Cracker's biscuit can tank most of King's aerial attacks. Katakuri's awakening can do the same. Peerless mochi can attack him on the sky. Re-read Wano. King's durability is caused by his flames being up, those can't be up all the time. His normal state is flames down. Eventually, he will gas himself and show openings. Izo fucking managed to disarm King lol. Marco hurt King with casual kicks. Zoro landed attacks and made him bleed when his flames were down multiple times. You are overrating King and underestimating the BMP. Magma attacks? Jinbe was tanking those with his bare hands pre-skip. Any Sweet Commander can replicate that feat with COA. Stop wanking King.
Cracker's biscuits cant tank the weakest Boundman moves while King's Tempura Udon makes KKG look cute.
Katakuri's Awakening is helpless against fire attacks of Jackpot's and Imperial Dragon's magnitude.
Peerless mochi is formed from the ground, not from the sky...

Flameless King tanked aCoC and KOH moves with his face and nothing that Charlottes have is on that level, except for Meme's Ikoku that base Luffy dodged easily. His normal state is flames up, the flames go out only when he wants to boost speed which is normally not the case. Izo disarming off guard King is of no relevance here. Zoro never managed to disarm King unless Izo is better than Zoro?

Marco has never hurt King, just like Zoro has never hurt him because he cannot be hurt in flame mode.
Zoro's firepower is second to none, you cannot transfer that as an argument for Charlottes who have the worst firepower in manga.
Jinbe tanking magma attacks doesn't equal to Charlottes tanking magma attacks. You are granting them free feats.
Not a single Charlotte has defense on Jinbe's level except for Big Mom.

King doesn't need to be wanked, feats speak for themselves.
And the story wanked King by itself.
After all, it was WSM Whitebeard who told us about the Gods of the Red Line...

I guess only two options remain here for BMP to tackle King if their collective hax doesnt work.
1. Katakuri somehow learn Internal destruction/ACoc and be able to damage King
2. King stamina goes drained and is out of flame mode.
Internal attacks do not work as proven by Lucci's Rokuogan.
Jack fought non-stop for 5 days, King can last longer by default.
None of the Charlottes have significant firepower to harm King, even outside of flame mode.

Did you miss Marco vs King and Queen?
Charlottes don't have Marco and even if they had him, he accomplishes nothing against King, 0 damaji.

Nik-chan, how can Alber hit them with Jackpot if he’s far in the sky?
Jackpot's range is huge, even firing it off in the sky will nuke them on the ground, in fact, it is even more effective that way.
Or he simply lands in front of Big Meme and baits her into hitting him, blowing up in her face.
Tho Katakuri's FS might come in time to tell her that hitting him is not a good idea and instead to run away.
 
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