Phantom Troupe vs Pitou (Multiple Rounds)

[MonsterKaido]

--Round 1 - Original Phantom troupe vs Pitou (No chrollo or Hisoka included)

--Round 2 - Original Phantom troupe vs Pitou (No chrollo)

--Round 3 - Original Phantom troupe vs Pitou

Thoughts

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[Rurushu]

R1-2: Pitou stomp

R3: with prep they can win probably, w/o it's again stomp

 

[MonsterKaido]

R1-2: Pitou stomp

R3: with prep they can win probably, w/o it's again stomp

Chrollo can't trap pitou with fun fun cloth while others are ganging on her?

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

The original PT you mean is the Yorkshin Troupe (Hisoka included)? If positive, then they should win all rounds. As overpowered as Pitou is, the PT has too many heavy hitters (Uvogin, Franklin, Phinks, Feitan, although the only ones capable of killing Pitou are probably Phinks and Feitan). Pitou also couldn't finish one-armed Kaito right away (although she didn't have a hatsu yet), so they most likely won't be one-shotted. They would probably be wiped out after they kill Pitou though, if he activates post-mortem nen.

R1: PT high to extreme diff, many casualties and crippling injuries. Uvogin should be tanky enough to hold his own against Pitou for a time, giving time for Phinks and the others to land their hits. Kortopi, Pakunoda and Shizuku will probably be useless. Shalnark might be extremely useful if he can use his autopilot on someone else.

R2: PT high diff, with Hisoka they should be safer.

R3: PT low to high diff, depends on if they're prepared or not. Chrollo has too many abilities and Pitou is prone to falling for traps (e.g.: Fun Fun Cloth) due to his overwhelming strength and lack of experience. Chrollo might even be able to steal Pitou's abilites if he manages to capture him 🤔.

 

[MonsterKaido]

The original PT you mean is the Yorkshin Troupe (Hisoka included)? If positive, then they should win all rounds. As overpowered as Pitou is, the PT has too many heavy hitters (Uvogin, Franklin, Phinks, Feitan, although the only ones capable of killing Pitou are probably Phinks and Feitan). Pitou also couldn't finish one-armed Kaito right away (although she didn't have a hatsu yet), so they most likely won't be one-shotted. They would probably be wiped out after they kill Pitou though, if he activates post-mortem nen.

R1: PT high to extreme diff, many casualties and crippling injuries. Uvogin should be tanky enough to hold his own against Pitou for a time, giving time for Phinks and the others to land their hits. Kortopi, Pakunoda and Shizuku will probably be useless. Shalnark might be extremely useful if he can use his autopilot on someone else.

R2: PT high diff, with Hisoka they should be safer.

R3: PT low to high diff, depends on if they're prepared or not. Chrollo has too many abilities and Pitou is prone to falling for traps (e.g.: Fun Fun Cloth) due to his overwhelming strength and lack of experience. Chrollo might even be able to steal Pitou's abilites if he manages to capture him 🤔.

I think chrollo aside only feitan's pain packer is an ability capable of maybe beating pitou. Uvogin's big bang impact and phinks's roller attack will do damage but not significant enough.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Round 3 depends on how much prep time chrollo gets and how many op hatsu he can collect.

For Hisoka, he needed a whole year, like 5 new hatsu, and he needed to upgrade skill hunter. Pitou is vastly so much above Hisoka.

Otherwise Pitou stomps.

Even if say chrollo somehow managed to eek out a W and kill Pitou barely, Terpsichora could activate and catch the troupe off guard.

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I think chrollo aside only feitan's pain packer is an ability capable of maybe beating pitou. Uvogin's big bang impact and phinks's roller attack will do damage but not significant enough.

Problem is, Feitan has to survive the hits. He ain't surviving hits from Pitou.

Uvo's Big Bang Impact ain't doing much.

And I theorize that Phinx hatsu is based on accurately figuring out how much spins he need for an enemy. If he gets it correctly, his attack works and one shots them. If not, he will get some consequences for not guessing correctly. Like some damage deflected back to him or something. If he has no conditions like that, phinx is just too broken and can just roll and roll and roll until it one shots anyone.

So, if his hatsu has that condition or something similar, he's gonna miss. Cause he's gonna underestimate Pitou and mess up the rolls.

 

[zenox]

Pitou destroys them

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

I think chrollo aside only feitan's pain packer is an ability capable of maybe beating pitou. Uvogin's big bang impact and phinks's roller attack will do damage but not significant enough.

Phinks would too IMO. Ripper Cyclotron is a hell of a hatsu when you have time and opportunity.

People are forgetting that Youpi had a lot of trouble against Morel, Knuckle, Shoot, Meleoron and Killua. Even if you consider Pitou the strongest RG, Youpi shouldn't be too far behind and Pitou will be facing 10 to 12 exceptional nen users (out of the extermination team, only Morel is comparable to them in terms of power AND experience, and he was at 35%~40% condition already when he invaded the palace), at least 5 more than Youpi.

 

[Chrono]

They win the last match with a few weeks worth of prep.

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Round 3 depends on how much prep time chrollo gets and how many op hatsu he can collect.

For Hisoka, he needed a whole year, like 5 new hatsu, and he needed to upgrade skill hunter. Pitou is vastly so much above Hisoka.

Otherwise Pitou stomps.

Even if say chrollo somehow managed to eek out a W and kill Pitou barely, Terpsichora could activate and catch the troupe off guard.

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Problem is, Feitan has to survive the hits. He ain't surviving hits from Pitou.

Uvo's Big Bang Impact ain't doing much.

And I theorize that Phinx hatsu is based on accurately figuring out how much spins he need for an enemy. If he gets it correctly, his attack works and one shots them. If not, he will get some consequences for not guessing correctly. Like some damage deflected back to him or something. If he has no conditions like that, phinx is just too broken and can just roll and roll and roll until it one shots anyone.

So, if his hatsu has that condition or something similar, he's gonna miss. Cause he's gonna underestimate Pitou and mess up the rolls.

You have to take into consideration that this is 12v1. So he obviously wouldnt need as much prep.

 

[ElderOnitar]

And I theorize that Phinx hatsu is based on accurately figuring out how much spins he need for an enemy. If he gets it correctly, his attack works and one shots them. If not, he will get some consequences for not guessing correctly. Like some damage deflected back to him or something. If he has no conditions like that, phinx is just too broken and can just roll and roll and roll until it one shots anyone.

Didn't he say he overestimated the number of rolls needed to take out the gorilla ant?

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Didn't he say he overestimated the number of rolls needed to take out the gorilla ant?

yeah

but he gotta have some kinda limit or condition. else he's the most op character in hxh.

hopefully togashi fleshes him out in the next batch coming in 3 years. The troupe were pretty prominent in the last two batches after all.

 

[Welkin]

With no prep they get torched by Pitou

None of them have abilities that would allow them to do significant damage (if any) to Pitou realistically

- Hisoka doesn’t have a real damage dealing ability
- If Phinks tries twisting his arm he gets insta killed
- Feitan has to take damage in order to use Pain Packer but Pitou would behead him in 1 hit
- Uvogin’s ability is a slightly stronger right-handed punch that’s never landing (probably wouldn’t do much damage anyway tbh)
- Franklin’s bullets would do 0 damage
- Nobunaga gets stat gapped

The rest get killed instantly anyway

In R3 with Chrollo and some prep they MIGHT take it depending on who Chrollo’s willing to sacrifice in order to get whatever crazy Hatsu combination he has off

HxH generally has pretty good powerscaling but pretty much the entire point of the Chimera Ants is the fact that they break the board

The only other character that has a similar threat level (I’d argue he’s actually a worse matchup for pretty much any group of characters than a Royal Guard) is Netero

 

[MonochromeYoru]

The only other character that has a similar threat level (I’d argue he’s actually a worse matchup for pretty much any group of characters than a Royal Guard) is Netero

Ging

Adult Gon

Beyond

Tserri

Nanika

etc

 

[Welkin]

Ging

Adult Gon

Beyond

Tserri

Nanika

etc

Unconfirmed but possible

Don’t count him cause that’s more of a transformation but yeah it would apply to him too

Possible but I kinda doubt it

Tserri? Give him a decade or 2 and he’s untouchable but rn he’s fodder (comparatively)

Wish granting genie I don’t really count her tbh

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Possible but I kinda doubt it

Bro he's literally named "Beyond" Netero.

As in, he's beyond Netero. Like, he's better/stronger than Netero.

Tserri? Give him a decade or 2 and he’s untouchable but rn he’s fodder (comparatively)

Nah. Bro already has a broken hatsu within like 2 weeks. 2 nen beasts protecting him. And is learning nen at an unprecedented level that no character in the story has shown.

He will be at that level at the end of the arc, which is what, 2 months? Even less?

 

[Welkin]

Bro he's literally named "Beyond" Netero.

As in, he's beyond Netero. Like, he's better/stronger than Netero.

It doesn’t have to be taken literally

He could be “beyond” Netero as a Hunter

I don’t think Togashi was referencing strength when he named him that. Especially since Beyond is trying to do what Netero couldn’t/didn’t in fully exploring and taming the Dark Continent

Nah. Bro already has a broken hatsu within like 2 weeks. 2 nen beasts protecting him. And is learning nen at an unprecedented level that no character in the story has shown.

He will be at that level at the end of the arc, which is what, 2 months? Even less?

He’s not living past the end of this arc imo

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Especially since Beyond is trying to do what Netero couldn’t/didn’t in fully exploring and taming the Dark Continent

All the more reason for it to be referencing strength...

Taming the Dark continent absolutely requires strength.

He’s not living past the end of this arc imo

Yes. But that means he will reach his potential or close to it by the end of the arc. Which has been implied to be the top of the nen world.

 

[Welkin]

All the more reason for it to be referencing strength...

Taming the Dark continent absolutely requires strength.
.

True, but we also know strength is far from the only factor when it comes to making it through the Dark Continent

We also know that Netero sought the pinnacle of strength/combat while Beyond wants something else entirely

If I had to guess I think Togashi was trying to say Beyond will be a superior Hunter in the most literal sense

But you could be right who knows

Yes. But that means he will reach his potential or close to it by the end of the arc. Which has been implied to be the top of the nen world.

If Tserri achieved even half of his potential he’d be pretty much invincible lol

There’s no way he gets that far if Togashi wants to realistically off him

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

yeah

but he gotta have some kinda limit or condition. else he's the most op character in hxh.

hopefully togashi fleshes him out in the next batch coming in 3 years. The troupe were pretty prominent in the last two batches after all.

Besides the time he spends rotating his arm, I think that Phinks also has his nen pool as a limit. I don't think that he could rotate his arm 10 thousand times and generate a punch more powerful than an atomic bomb, for example... his aura must be the limit of his attack power (maybe he could even overexhaust himself if he rotates beyond his limit).

With no prep they get torched by Pitou

None of them have abilities that would allow them to do significant damage (if any) to Pitou realistically

- Hisoka doesn’t have a real damage dealing ability
- If Phinks tries twisting his arm he gets insta killed
- Feitan has to take damage in order to use Pain Packer but Pitou would behead him in 1 hit
- Uvogin’s ability is a slightly stronger right-handed punch that’s never landing (probably wouldn’t do much damage anyway tbh)
- Franklin’s bullets would do 0 damage
- Nobunaga gets stat gapped

The rest get killed instantly anyway

In R3 with Chrollo and some prep they MIGHT take it depending on who Chrollo’s willing to sacrifice in order to get whatever crazy Hatsu combination he has off

HxH generally has pretty good powerscaling but pretty much the entire point of the Chimera Ants is the fact that they break the board

The only other character that has a similar threat level (I’d argue he’s actually a worse matchup for pretty much any group of characters than a Royal Guard) is Netero

One-armed Kaito could hold his own alone against Pitou long enough to allow Killua to escape with Gon. Pitou will be facing 10 to 12 nen users as strong as a 100% Kaito (some are arguably even stronger). I'm pretty sure that most of them wouldn't get one-shotted.

If they can wound Pitou, even if slightly, Shizuku would be able to suck his blood with Blinky. Hisoka can trap him with bungee gum (even if for a second, it's time enough in a nen battle). Phinks can charge his Ripper Cyclotron easily having so many people to keep Pitou busy. Even unprepared, Chrollo is a threat to anyone... he only took so much time to prepare for his fight against Hisoka because he wanted to have a 100% guaranteed victory, with minimal risks involved. Even if he has only a few days of preparation, with so many strong allies with him (whom also have a lot of synergy with Chrollo, as he knows most of them since his childhood), I'm pretty sure that he could turn it into an easy battle.

 

[Welkin]

One-armed Kaito could hold his own alone against Pitou long enough to allow Killua to escape with Gon. Pitou will be facing 10 to 12 nen users as strong as a 100% Kaito (some are arguably even stronger). I'm pretty sure that most of them wouldn't get one-shotted.

This part alone makes your entire post wrong

Kite had his arm lopped off and lost badly to a freshly awakened Pitou who learned about nen literal seconds prior to their clash (no joke, go read chapter 198 it’s like 3-4 panels apart) who also had no Hatsu

This is the insignificant damage he did to a rookie version of Pitou with little to no grasp on nen or their own strength

Pitou by the end of the Chimera Ant arc with superior nen, experience, and a Hatsu that boosts all of their physical stats would quite literally insta kill the Phantom Troupe

This is without mentioning that they canonically held back against Kite anyway

Spoiler

I'm pretty sure that most of them wouldn't get one-shotted.

Even ignoring her speed there isn’t a single member of the Phantom Troupe that could tank even one of her hits. Kite instantly lost an arm to a Pitou that was essentially a nen infant

Pitou + Terphiscora means they all get their heads knocked off immediately