Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1138 Spoilers Discussion

[Halyup]

I think we should consider Ancient Kingdom wasn't as good some thinks

Vegapunk speech

This panel

And, now the lore - kind of hints at Ancient kingdom was a violent and oppressive regime until Joyboy - the first pirate emerged.

JB is the villain in the 2nd war

 

[Thaidakar]

Pranks says that Shanks once came to Mary Joa.

SO TECHNICALLY, Shanks could still be the hooded snitcher.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Pranks says that Shanks once came to Mary Joa.

SO TECHNICALLY, Shanks could still be the hooded snitcher.

Ultimate twist just after we thought the rat allegations died lmao

 

[Halyup]

Ultimate twist just after we thought the rat allegations died lmao

It still possible that Shams stop Kaido
The twins prolly have a deal with each other lol

 

[Mansex]

It can be assumed that in the early days, Nika/Joyboy and his allies were allied with Imu and the kingdoms to fight a common enemy?

This is probably the first war, with the second war (Imu and the kingdoms vs Joyboy and his allies) not being displayed here.

Interestingly, Big Moms dream to unite all races is coming from the notion that Joyboy unites all races as displayed in the mural. Probably heard that story when she was in Elbaf.

 

[Reborn]

JB is the villain in the 2nd war

A made up villain.


If we go by the lore

"People of the moon saw a dream" it means imu and co came from outside.

But when they came down, they saw a world (Earth) ruled by ancient Kingdom - Deity of Earth. @Kurozumi Wiwi

It was land of slavery.

At that time, joyboy seeking freedom sailed to sea and end up getting Nika.

This threatened the mighty deity of Earth - the king of Ancient kingdom.

The right panel indicates battle between them with ancient weapons with IMu and co witnessing their might.



In second panel on the left, we have IMU (Diety of forest) fighting joyboy and D clan who were being perhaps framed as evil.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

First world used nuclear energy

 

[RayanOO]

Im not impressed with Cerberus DF for now especially aesthetically

But Loki looks quite fucked up

When Luffy and co will arrive the lad will be half dead

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

from fantasy pirate manga to post-apocalypse sci-fi manga

 

[Kumathegoat]

First world used nuclear energy

aka teh Mechaheart @minamoto

 

[Reborn]

Im not impressed with Cerberus DF for now especially aesthetically

But Loki looks quite fucked up

When Luffy and co will arrive the lad will be half dead

They have sensu bean

 

[Bogard]

Since Shanks was already in Marijoa once, that means it's known by him and from at least the heads in the Government that he is a Figarland and thus could explain why he could be seen as having a "special status" even as a Pirate

 

[Sir Yasheen]

That mural looks more like the story of Imu than the story of Joyboy… that king in the first panel escaping a city being burned to the ground because Nika angered the God of Earth (the western dragon on the left of the right mural) could be Imu who later gained that Earth Gods fruit. The demon in the left mural looks like a hybrid form of that western dragon.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Im not impressed with Cerberus DF for now especially aesthetically

But Loki looks quite fucked up

When Luffy and co will arrive the lad will be half dead

Oda nerfing HIM because he would solo the HKs otherwise

 

[DarkestKnightofSpoilers]

Forbidden Sun = devil fruits
Deity of earth = celestial dragon Imu
Serpent = red line
Deity of forest = tree of life dispatching devil fruits
The sun spreading seed of war = evil sun god aka devil aka Kurohige Teach ancestor
People of half moon = Wano people
People of full moon = Minks
CDs became gods after slaying the sun god
Deity of the sea = unknown yet

Forbidden Sun is imo the Mother Flame

1st passage where it called desire is sounds more like devilfruits

 

[Halyup]

First world used nuclear energy

JB have a huge kingdom with futuristic tech , have 2 ancient weapon (Poseidon & Pluton ) , and allied kingdoms and still lose the War vs the 20 Human kingdoms ( Nefartari , Figarland , Nerona , Donquixote)

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

 

[Reborn]

So shanks went to MJ once

He knows he's figarland

Top brass in WG definitely knows - I mean they literally have a twin of a yonkou around them


And, elders granted a special audience so it has to be Shanks who went during reverie to snitch

 

[SakazOuki]

Forbidden Sun is imo the Mother Flame

1st passage where it called desire is sounds more like devilfruits

It’s the same one “mankind, overtaken by desire, touched upon the forbidden sun”
Basically Adam’s apple, the devil fruit, the originator of sin

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Since Shanks was already in Marijoa once, that means it's known by him and from at least the heads in the Government that he is a Figarland and thus could explain why he could be seen as having a "special status" even as a Pirate

This was soft confirmed in film red when the gorosei talked about killing Uta