Speculations The dragon and the winged creature are the same entity

#64
I understood it as the end result of the war, whatever it is BB will take part in this war.
Agree, but I’m thinking maybe the literal end of the first world was the Yami Yami being used to turn everything to nothingness. The second world poem does start with “a breath within the void”. Was the first world a dark void after the Yami Yami destroyed it.



And with the power of the earth(quake) as well.

Might be Blackbeard has chosen those two DFs very specifically.

Also new theory, the first world being destroyed is not symbolic, that world was actually destroyed and reduced the void of space and darkness, humanity fled to the second (current) world in arks like the Noah and the Maxim, using the precursor mother flame.
 
#66
Agree, but I’m thinking maybe the literal end of the first world was the Yami Yami being used to turn everything to nothingness. The second world poem does start with “a breath within the void”. Was the first world a dark void after the Yami Yami destroyed it.



And with the power of the earth(quake) as well.

Might be Blackbeard has chosen those two DFs very specifically.

Also new theory, the first world being destroyed is not symbolic, that world was actually destroyed and reduced the void of space and darkness, humanity fled to the second (current) world in arks like the Noah and the Maxim, using the precursor mother flame.
Did you know that Imu means void lol.
The one piece is the sun the entity held :kobeha:
Since imu doesnt have it
No its the mother flame lol.
 
#68
The evil should not reincarnate, the evil should be the original evil itself. It is the heroes who should reincarnate. That is the trope. Lol
Essentially arguing that Imu being a reincarnation of an ancient evil is like arguing that Luffy shouldn’t defeat the actual evil itself, he should only defeat an imitation of that evil.
But this could be the whole point.
The sun defeating the earth is only necessary if the earth enslaves the people and makes their lives unbearable.
The sun permanently defeating the earth would consiture a nuclear catastrophe, or in a nutshell: the people need both the earth and the sun to live, too much sun is bad and so is.too much earth. None of the two must be allowed to dominate and destroy the other in its entirety. Like a yin and Yang situation, with a little spot on yin in the Yang and a spot of Yang in the yin.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#69
All for one, Piccolo Junior,etc
All For One literally took over Shigaraki’s body btw. Deku was trying to save Shigaraki from All For One.

Don’t ever bring up Dragonball in a conversation about good writing ever again. MHA is questionable as well but MHA suits my point as AFO was the final evil there as well.
 
#70
Lees point that evil shouldnt reincarnate and that its a troupe makes no sense when plenty of manga have the main villain reincarnating lol.
All For One literally took over Shigaraki’s body btw. Deku was trying to save Shigaraki from All For One.

Don’t ever bring up Dragonball in a conversation about good writing ever again. MHA is questionable as well but MHA suits my point as AFO was the final evil there as well.
It was still Shigaraki for most of it, its possible that the earth god entity will try to take over Imus mind and body too you know just like Nika atlers Luffys behaviour.
 
#71
We will see lol. This is all very fascinating.

@Roo @Elder Lee Hung this is also worth reading since it seems Oda is taking inspiration from our real world religions:

biblically speaking, the dragon symbolizes the D(eified)EVIL or DEVIL as stated explicitly in Rev 12:9, to wit: “And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.”
That's why the CD's are obsessed with dragons :shocked:
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#74
The sun defeating the earth is only necessary if the earth enslaves the people and makes their lives unbearable
Luffy isn’t going to destroy the Earth lmfao. The Earth God was called that by ancient civilizations, let’s not think Luffy is going to destroy the planet lmfao.

Lees point that evil shouldnt reincarnate and that its a troupe makes no sense when plenty of manga have the main villain reincarnating lol.
Plenty of garbage manga like DBZ and MHA? Lol

The MHA ending was universally panned as awful bro.
 
#75
All that talk about Imu being the earth and the dragon being the red line. But IMU reversed is Umi aka the sea and dragons are sea creatures
The dragon is Imu who is the earth god or earth god vessel. The red line is the serpent of flame imo.
Luffy isn’t going to destroy the Earth lmfao. The Earth God was called that by ancient civilizations, let’s not think Luffy is going to destroy the planet lmfao.



Plenty of garbage manga like DBZ and MHA? Lol

The MHA ending was universally panned as awful bro.
DBZ Piccolo JR wasnt garbage, and Shigaraki inheritting All For One and wrestling for control with OG All For One was a good idea it just wasnt executed well.
 
#76
Luffy isn’t going to destroy the Earth lmfao. The Earth God was called that by ancient civilizations, let’s not think Luffy is going to destroy the planet lmfao.
No that's not how i mean it.
Let me reword for clarity:
The sun GOD defeating the earth GOD is only necessary if the earth GOD enslaves the people and makes their lives unbearable.
Whenever a characters speak of the future events they say the world is going to be destroyed. While THEY might think world refers to the whole planet, we know it's only the CURRENT ORDER of things that is destroyed. Like how it works in real life mythologies.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#78
@Fujishiro @Paperchampion23 @Bisoromi Bear I would like to clarify:

I believe from the history described, the Sun God has lost both War 1 and War 2 and the primordial evil was never actually defeated, only suppressed. This is why I believe we have to beat the primordial evil, because it has never been defeated before.

I mean why else do we know there’s going to be a third war unless the cause for the original wars were never resolved lol….the primordial evil of the OP world is likely still alive imo. Just imprisoned beneath the ocean.
 
#79
@Fujishiro @Paperchampion23 @Bisoromi Bear I would like to clarify:

I believe from the history described, the Sun God has lost both War 1 and War 2 and the primordial evil was never actually defeated, only suppressed. This is why I believe we have to beat the primordial evil, because it has never been defeated before.

I mean why else do we know there’s going to be a third war unless the cause for the original wars were never resolved lol….the primordial evil of the OP world is likely still alive imo. Just imprisoned beneath the ocean.
I believe it too I just think Imu is the incarnation of that evil lol. The war was never resolved because Nika keeps coming back.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#80
I believe it too I just think Imu is the incarnation of that evil lol. The war was never resolved because Nika keeps coming back.
1. So why is Nika still starting to spark wars if there is no primordial evil alive and the thing was defeated in War 1?

2. Or why is the primordial reincarnating into Imu if it was never defeated? Lol

No matter how you look at it, Imu reincarnation is nonsense.
 
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