Character Discussion The most oppressed man on the seas?

Marimo_420

The Honoured One
#1
With all the hype lore piece has just dropped in the latest chapter, I wanted to look at what this means for Luffy personally.

The ancient people or the original joyboy are shown to be able to foretell what may happen in the future, or predetermine what will happen as seen in the mural. The events have yet to pass, but they've already seen or set in motion what will occur in present day at least 800 years in advance.


Imu and the Gorosei are shitting themselves of what is about to go down as this is an inevitable war, and an inevitable defeat on their part "the sun will return once more" "surely this time, they will meet again" Whitebeard also calls them out on this on his dying breath. That's why the WG have been desperate to fight against this for 800 years.

For a man who aims to be the pirate king on his own terms
what does it mean for Luffy?


Ever since he was groomed by homeless Fingerland and forcefed the fruit by the fruit itself,
he had already been locked in an inescapable destiny.

Every island. Every opponent. Every choice. It has all been for naught but stepping stones in his destiny to be saviour and his showdown with Imu. For a man who wishes to be the freest, his whole life is just an illusion of free choice. It all points to one ending.

For the man who wishes to be free, he's the most oppressed character in one piece. And that's just really sad.
:catcry:

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#2
With all the hype lore piece has just dropped in the latest chapter, I wanted to look at what this means for Luffy personally.

The ancient people or the original joyboy are shown to be able to foretell what may happen in the future, or predetermine what will happen as seen in the mural. The events have yet to pass, but they've already seen or set in motion what will occur in present day at least 800 years in advance.


Imu and the Gorosei are shitting themselves of what is about to go down as this is an inevitable war, and an inevitable defeat on their part "the sun will return once more" "surely this time, they will meet again" Whitebeard also calls them out on this on his dying breath. That's why the WG have been desperate to fight against this for 800 years.

For a man who aims to be the pirate king on his own terms
what does it mean for Luffy?


Ever since he was groomed by homeless Fingerland and forcefed the fruit by the fruit itself,
he had already been locked in an inescapable destiny.

Every island. Every opponent. Every choice. It has all been for naught but stepping stones in his destiny to be saviour and his showdown with Imu. For a man who wishes to be the freest, his whole life is just an illusion of free choice. It all points to one ending.

For the man who wishes to be free, he's the most oppressed character in one piece. And that's just really sad.
:catcry:

@Tyki_Mikk @SakazOuki @Roo @Peroroncino @NikaInParis @Mr. Reloaded @CoC: Color of Clowns @Apollo @TheAncientCenturion @AL sama @Doggo @Natalija @MonsterKaido @Cross_Marian @Bisoromi Bear @ConquistadoR @Toby D. Dog @Indigo @Fujishiro @Seatonnes @Rej @Flower @Indigo @Kerkovian @Pringles @Kurozumi Wiwi @MarineHQ @Natalija @Sentinel @TheKnightOfTheSea @Blackbeard @Bepo D. Bear @MonochromeYoru @Owl Ki @Sir Yasheen @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Pot Goblin @Rottkins @Jaguark101
@Alexis2282AE @Monkey D Monkey @kenedyfake @Topi Jerami @Sentinel @comrade @Den_Den_Mushi @trav @Demongodzolo @Marimo_420 @Aknolagon @Cyrus the Cactus @Rivaille @Monet @Garp the Fist @Gol D. Roger @Afroking @ImmaIvanoM @MarineHQ @Luffy bin Dragon @Luffy is the mc @Rmstorm @Fleet Leader Fenaker @yj @Fiji @Playa4321 @Guan Yu @Ice devil slayer @Sword God Ryuma @Zenos7 @Akai2 @MasterD @RayanOO @Haoshoku @Dark Hound @Camie @Thabeast @style @zorojurou @RyumaZoro @Gon’s Missing Arm @Yo Tan Wa @Orojackson Refugee @Sunita @IceWitch @ShadyOjiro @LolonoisZolo @Grumpy Zoro @HA001 OF THE RAIN @Natalija @Enma @Rukusho @Sade @Sadistic Senpai @stormylife @Geo @Reborn @Cinera @ShishioIsBack @Shishi @Nidai_Kitetsu @Mikail @mly90 @The White Crane @Gauntlet @Kuro Ashi @sanjikun @Extravlad @Lion of Olympus @Buusatan94 @AL sama @Patryipe @Kiwipom @Owl Ki @Salah WG @stairs-kun @BOCCHI @EtenBoby @Fujishiro @Bogard @Punpun @Seth @Elder Lee Hung @I'mTired @Gensui Sazid @Marco @Erkan12 @Blackbeard @Alpha @matt245 @God D usopp @Shanal @ConquistadoR @Jet Pistol @Captain Luffy @Brendan Schaub @park_min young @Daikenki @serialwinnerv7 @Malick the last Light @yorosenpai @Shinsekai @King of the world @ShadowStyle369 @Daikenki @Seth @LadyVados @BornInAbyss @Fuckthis3 @ShiNoGekai @hayze moya @Meeyori @Franosuke @wys @Lor D. Coast @Kerkovian @wordy @Psychiatrist @kumae @Mr. Reloaded @Taylor_ @ChefboiiFuego @Blazing Lion @grey matter @Owari Da @Malio @OGshine @HAJI @Kurozumi Giggio @Mr.Baj1o @Red Admiral @Mr.9000 @Vanlax @Bt7207. @Croco boy @Herrera95 @JayKitetsu @LilPanda @hedera__helix @Redboy776 @Cruxroux @JoNdule @Veku @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Garps tekkai @Gari @HA001 @Foul Legacy @Moegara @SakazOuki @nik87 @Fujishiro
Oda is the final villain

Luffy must kill him to be free
 
#3
With all the hype lore piece has just dropped in the latest chapter, I wanted to look at what this means for Luffy personally.

The ancient people or the original joyboy are shown to be able to foretell what may happen in the future, or predetermine what will happen as seen in the mural. The events have yet to pass, but they've already seen or set in motion what will occur in present day at least 800 years in advance.


Imu and the Gorosei are shitting themselves of what is about to go down as this is an inevitable war, and an inevitable defeat on their part "the sun will return once more" "surely this time, they will meet again" Whitebeard also calls them out on this on his dying breath. That's why the WG have been desperate to fight against this for 800 years.

For a man who aims to be the pirate king on his own terms
what does it mean for Luffy?


Ever since he was groomed by homeless Fingerland and forcefed the fruit by the fruit itself,
he had already been locked in an inescapable destiny.

Every island. Every opponent. Every choice. It has all been for naught but stepping stones in his destiny to be saviour and his showdown with Imu. For a man who wishes to be the freest, his whole life is just an illusion of free choice. It all points to one ending.

For the man who wishes to be free, he's the most oppressed character in one piece. And that's just really sad.
:catcry:

@Tyki_Mikk @SakazOuki @Roo @Peroroncino @NikaInParis @Mr. Reloaded @CoC: Color of Clowns @Apollo @TheAncientCenturion @AL sama @Doggo @Natalija @MonsterKaido @Cross_Marian @Bisoromi Bear @ConquistadoR @Toby D. Dog @Indigo @Fujishiro @Seatonnes @Rej @Flower @Indigo @Kerkovian @Pringles @Kurozumi Wiwi @MarineHQ @Natalija @Sentinel @TheKnightOfTheSea @Blackbeard @Bepo D. Bear @MonochromeYoru @Owl Ki @Sir Yasheen @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Pot Goblin @Rottkins @Jaguark101
@Alexis2282AE @Monkey D Monkey @kenedyfake @Topi Jerami @Sentinel @comrade @Den_Den_Mushi @trav @Demongodzolo @Marimo_420 @Aknolagon @Cyrus the Cactus @Rivaille @Monet @Garp the Fist @Gol D. Roger @Afroking @ImmaIvanoM @MarineHQ @Luffy bin Dragon @Luffy is the mc @Rmstorm @Fleet Leader Fenaker @yj @Fiji @Playa4321 @Guan Yu @Ice devil slayer @Sword God Ryuma @Zenos7 @Akai2 @MasterD @RayanOO @Haoshoku @Dark Hound @Camie @Thabeast @style @zorojurou @RyumaZoro @Gon’s Missing Arm @Yo Tan Wa @Orojackson Refugee @Sunita @IceWitch @ShadyOjiro @LolonoisZolo @Grumpy Zoro @HA001 OF THE RAIN @Natalija @Enma @Rukusho @Sade @Sadistic Senpai @stormylife @Geo @Reborn @Cinera @ShishioIsBack @Shishi @Nidai_Kitetsu @Mikail @mly90 @The White Crane @Gauntlet @Kuro Ashi @sanjikun @Extravlad @Lion of Olympus @Buusatan94 @AL sama @Patryipe @Kiwipom @Owl Ki @Salah WG @stairs-kun @BOCCHI @EtenBoby @Fujishiro @Bogard @Punpun @Seth @Elder Lee Hung @I'mTired @Gensui Sazid @Marco @Erkan12 @Blackbeard @Alpha @matt245 @God D usopp @Shanal @ConquistadoR @Jet Pistol @Captain Luffy @Brendan Schaub @park_min young @Daikenki @serialwinnerv7 @Malick the last Light @yorosenpai @Shinsekai @King of the world @ShadowStyle369 @Daikenki @Seth @LadyVados @BornInAbyss @Fuckthis3 @ShiNoGekai @hayze moya @Meeyori @Franosuke @wys @Lor D. Coast @Kerkovian @wordy @Psychiatrist @kumae @Mr. Reloaded @Taylor_ @ChefboiiFuego @Blazing Lion @grey matter @Owari Da @Malio @OGshine @HAJI @Kurozumi Giggio @Mr.Baj1o @Red Admiral @Mr.9000 @Vanlax @Bt7207. @Croco boy @Herrera95 @JayKitetsu @LilPanda @hedera__helix @Redboy776 @Cruxroux @JoNdule @Veku @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Garps tekkai @Gari @HA001 @Foul Legacy @Moegara @SakazOuki @nik87 @Fujishiro
Yeah hes the child of destiny just like Naruto was.
 
#5
With all the hype lore piece has just dropped in the latest chapter, I wanted to look at what this means for Luffy personally.

The ancient people or the original joyboy are shown to be able to foretell what may happen in the future, or predetermine what will happen as seen in the mural. The events have yet to pass, but they've already seen or set in motion what will occur in present day at least 800 years in advance.


Imu and the Gorosei are shitting themselves of what is about to go down as this is an inevitable war, and an inevitable defeat on their part "the sun will return once more" "surely this time, they will meet again" Whitebeard also calls them out on this on his dying breath. That's why the WG have been desperate to fight against this for 800 years.

For a man who aims to be the pirate king on his own terms
what does it mean for Luffy?


Ever since he was groomed by homeless Fingerland and forcefed the fruit by the fruit itself,
he had already been locked in an inescapable destiny.

Every island. Every opponent. Every choice. It has all been for naught but stepping stones in his destiny to be saviour and his showdown with Imu. For a man who wishes to be the freest, his whole life is just an illusion of free choice. It all points to one ending.

For the man who wishes to be free, he's the most oppressed character in one piece. And that's just really sad.
:catcry:

@Tyki_Mikk @SakazOuki @Roo @Peroroncino @NikaInParis @Mr. Reloaded @CoC: Color of Clowns @Apollo @TheAncientCenturion @AL sama @Doggo @Natalija @MonsterKaido @Cross_Marian @Bisoromi Bear @ConquistadoR @Toby D. Dog @Indigo @Fujishiro @Seatonnes @Rej @Flower @Indigo @Kerkovian @Pringles @Kurozumi Wiwi @MarineHQ @Natalija @Sentinel @TheKnightOfTheSea @Blackbeard @Bepo D. Bear @MonochromeYoru @Owl Ki @Sir Yasheen @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Pot Goblin @Rottkins @Jaguark101
@Alexis2282AE @Monkey D Monkey @kenedyfake @Topi Jerami @Sentinel @comrade @Den_Den_Mushi @trav @Demongodzolo @Marimo_420 @Aknolagon @Cyrus the Cactus @Rivaille @Monet @Garp the Fist @Gol D. Roger @Afroking @ImmaIvanoM @MarineHQ @Luffy bin Dragon @Luffy is the mc @Rmstorm @Fleet Leader Fenaker @yj @Fiji @Playa4321 @Guan Yu @Ice devil slayer @Sword God Ryuma @Zenos7 @Akai2 @MasterD @RayanOO @Haoshoku @Dark Hound @Camie @Thabeast @style @zorojurou @RyumaZoro @Gon’s Missing Arm @Yo Tan Wa @Orojackson Refugee @Sunita @IceWitch @ShadyOjiro @LolonoisZolo @Grumpy Zoro @HA001 OF THE RAIN @Natalija @Enma @Rukusho @Sade @Sadistic Senpai @stormylife @Geo @Reborn @Cinera @ShishioIsBack @Shishi @Nidai_Kitetsu @Mikail @mly90 @The White Crane @Gauntlet @Kuro Ashi @sanjikun @Extravlad @Lion of Olympus @Buusatan94 @AL sama @Patryipe @Kiwipom @Owl Ki @Salah WG @stairs-kun @BOCCHI @EtenBoby @Fujishiro @Bogard @Punpun @Seth @Elder Lee Hung @I'mTired @Gensui Sazid @Marco @Erkan12 @Blackbeard @Alpha @matt245 @God D usopp @Shanal @ConquistadoR @Jet Pistol @Captain Luffy @Brendan Schaub @park_min young @Daikenki @serialwinnerv7 @Malick the last Light @yorosenpai @Shinsekai @King of the world @ShadowStyle369 @Daikenki @Seth @LadyVados @BornInAbyss @Fuckthis3 @ShiNoGekai @hayze moya @Meeyori @Franosuke @wys @Lor D. Coast @Kerkovian @wordy @Psychiatrist @kumae @Mr. Reloaded @Taylor_ @ChefboiiFuego @Blazing Lion @grey matter @Owari Da @Malio @OGshine @HAJI @Kurozumi Giggio @Mr.Baj1o @Red Admiral @Mr.9000 @Vanlax @Bt7207. @Croco boy @Herrera95 @JayKitetsu @LilPanda @hedera__helix @Redboy776 @Cruxroux @JoNdule @Veku @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Garps tekkai @Gari @HA001 @Foul Legacy @Moegara @SakazOuki @nik87 @Fujishiro
Leave it to modern fools to believe predestination for glory is oppression.

Determinism is demanded by physics, not philosophy.
 
#8
Naruto shits on his own character because he was always talented, instead of embodying hard work.

Luffy shits on his own character, because he's now not free.


Japanese shonun try not to 180 thier mc before EoS, is a challege too far.
Everything you’ve ever done was determined before you existed. Cope.
As if that takes away from your ambitions or the things you enjoy.
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Is inspiration grooming?
“But I didn’t choose it all on my own so it’s meaningless 😱”
“On your own you would be meaningless trash that died in the forest.”
“But my free will 😭😭😭”
 
#9
I think the prophecy is somebody in the past seeing visions of events that'd happen in the future, akin to how Madame Shirley did, and simply wrote em down.

No different than how how future sight work. Doesn't mean a person is oppressed to do those things. Everything is happening with Luffy's own free will.
 
#11
I think the prophecy is somebody in the past seeing visions of events that'd happen in the future, akin to how Madame Shirley did, and simply wrote em down.

No different than how how future sight work. Doesn't mean a person is oppressed to do those things. Everything is happening with Luffy's own free will.
Almost as if free will is a made up concept that actually just means being able to do what you like to do
 
#12
Everything you’ve ever done was determined before you existed. Cope.
As if that takes away from your ambitions or the things you enjoy.
It's up to you if you believe that
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Everything you’ve ever done was determined before you existed. Cope.
As if that takes away from your ambitions or the things you enjoy.
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“But I didn’t choose it all on my own so it’s meaningless 😱”
“On your own you would be meaningless trash that died in the forest.”
“But my free will 😭😭😭”
How do you know that?
 

Marimo_420

The Honoured One
#14
Everything you’ve ever done was determined before you existed. Cope.
As if that takes away from your ambitions or the things you enjoy.
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“But I didn’t choose it all on my own so it’s meaningless 😱”
“On your own you would be meaningless trash that died in the forest.”
“But my free will 😭😭😭”
No free will of his own, that's the mural and the df doing it for him.

Luffy is finished, you can cope all you want.

Ironic considering Goody is supposed to be the ultimate freedom of freedom as of right now.
 
#15
It's up to you if you believe that
No it isn’t? Everything you’ve ever experienced was in the past, “you” are a determined machine made of atoms that are only reacting, never under your control. All such control is the illusion of consciousness, which is a complex framework created by your mind to allow you to gather food and reproduce by predicting the future.
 
#16
I think the prophecy is somebody in the past seeing visions of events that'd happen in the future, akin to how Madame Shirley did, and simply wrote em down.

No different than how how future sight work. Doesn't mean a person is oppressed to do those things. Everything is happening with Luffy's own free will.
That's literally how prophecies work
 
#17
No free will of his own, that's the mural and the df doing it for him.

Luffy is finished, you can cope all you want.

Ironic considering Goody is supposed to be the ultimate freedom of freedom as of right now.
Nothing that has ever existed has ever had free will in the metaphysical sense of absolute self-determination. Just as Luffy would not exist without being born, he would not be here to enjoy being pirate king without intervention from billions of variables that rule out the illusion of autonomy.
That takes away exactly nothing from his lived experience. All humans in reality and all fiction are completely determined. You have never experienced the present, let alone controlled it.
 
#18
No it isn’t? Everything you’ve ever experienced was in the past, “you” are a determined machine made of atoms that are only reacting, never under your control. All such control is the illusion of consciousness, which is a complex framework created by your mind to allow you to gather food and reproduce by predicting the future.
Show me the mural detailing how I’m gonna wake up tomorrow and goon, smart guy
 
#20
Show me the mural detailing how I’m gonna wake up tomorrow and goon, smart guy
In order to do that, we would need to know the current position and velocity of all your atoms and all the atoms in your environment. But it is possible, and that mural ‘exists’ in the mind of the being we call God.
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A prophecy is a prediction.

Literally seeing what will happen in the future and writing it down isn't a prophecy
A person can’t actually be more wrong than this. Prophecies that can be wrong are false prophesies.
 
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