Questions & Mysteries Zoro vs Shamrock, A Twist?

HA001

HA001

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#21
#21
Cozy Sofa said:
I think Shamrock is way too much for Zoro at the moment.

Lucci, a masked CP-0, held Zoro for quite some time. Now, everybody that has seen my previous posts know that I hold both Lucci and Zoro in very high regard but this Shamrock dude is the commander of Gods Knights that made even Dragon tense.

He seems to be sure he would have beat Loki in a fair 1 vs 1 without too much trouble, a Loki that is worth 2.6. In other words Shamrock is likely 3.3-4.3B worth in strength and beyond Zoro at this point.
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Lucci got one shot.
 
Cozy Sofa

Cozy Sofa

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#23
#23
HA001 said:
Lucci got one shot.
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It took a while. It wasn’t easy. I think it’s credit to both of them. Zoro for taking out a very strong/leading masked CP-0 agent. Lucci for hanging in there with Zoro, a 1.1B YC1 that took out lunarian King. In my view both came out of it with raised stocks.
 
Kōri no kokyū

Kōri no kokyū

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#28
#28
Blazing Lion said:
Before the drop of this chapter, there was a lot of discussion on Zoro vs Shamrock or Luffy vs Shamrock. Being supposedly the boss of the arc many speculated that it would be Luffy who will fight Shamrock instead of Zoro. Then the spoilers/hints dropped and the Cerberus thing made headlines with who it might belong to (Loki or Shamrock) and how it might effect the matchups. Then we get the detailed spoilers and we learn that Cerberus is an awakened mythical zoan fed to Shamrocks sword. At this point it makes a lot more sense for Zoro to fight Shamrock instead of Luffy. Reasons:
Swordsman (Luffy has barely if ever fought against swordsmen opponents)
Shanks Twin (Surpassing Shanks before being able to challenge Mihawk)
Cerberus (Guardian of Hell vs King of Hell)
3 sword style vs 3 sword heads
Samurai vs Knight

At this point it seems like Sham is a tailored opponent for Zoro and not Luffy. There is a problem though and I already said this in the spoiler thread. It increases Zoros confirmed fights. Shiryu (due to BB), Venus (due to Kitetsu) and Mihawk (final fight) are 99% confirmed fights for Zoro. But if we add Shamrock to the list too then it is already difficult to fit the previous three fights into expected arcs. We jump from 3 arcs for each opponent to 4 arcs and the pace of the story doesnt suggest we will have 3 arcs let alone 4, we are already in the final saga.

There have been arcs where Zoro has defeated multiple opponents in the same arc but when you take into account the importance of the chars in question it seems very hard that they will be sacrificed like that. I mean the least impressive from the 4 is Shiryu atm but due to BB association you can bet how important he will be. Off the top of my head we have had Zoro defeat Braham and Ohm I think in Skypiea, then Ryuma and Oars fight and then Kuma (not exactly the type of fights) in TB. In Wano he had quite a few but none of the earlier defeated chars were as important to the story or narrative as the 4 guys are.

So here comes the twist, Zoro will not fight Shamrock. Rather the BBPs will somehow invade MG and beat the HK or they will come at the end of some battle where Shiryu will be able to feed the Cerberus DF to his sword and Zoro will fight Shiryu with two DFs like many have suggested before. This will parallel quite a few things. Firstly Shiryu and BB being the two guys with multiple DFs (BB might actually get three). Shiryu will also get two DFs which are associated with BB previously (Invis was suggested for BB before while the 3 heads of Cerberus for BB being able to have multiple DFs etc.). It will also fit perfectly with his head jailer theme by having the guardian of hell as his DF. An invisible swordsman who can not be touched due to becoming nothing with an awakened mythic zoan sword which can attack from three sides simultaneously and which may also be hidden.

@nik87 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @HA001 @mly90 @CbShadow @Kōri no kokyū etc.
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I'm saying this now.
Explaing the Grim reaper in Wano against Shamrock is the perfect Answer to this.
(I don't consider Shamrock sword as a devil fruit induced btw)
 
Blazing Lion

Blazing Lion

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#32
#32
Kōri no kokyū said:
I'm saying this now.
Explaing the Grim reaper in Wano against Shamrock is the perfect Answer to this.
(I don't consider Shamrock sword as a devil fruit induced btw)
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What do you mean its not DF sword?
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Vanlax said:
I'd be disappointed if Shiryu replaces Raiu tbh. That sword has great potential.

So how 'bout Shiryu using two swords Cerberus and Raiu with a devil fruit as well.

3 Devil Fruits Shiryu

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3 Swords Zoro

:steef:
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Even better, 2 swords Shiryu, 1 with Cerberus and 1 with Yamato no Orochi DF, 11 swords Shiryu with Shiryu himself having invi DF
 
Kōri no kokyū

Kōri no kokyū

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#33
#33
Vanlax said:
I'd be disappointed if Shiryu replaces Raiu tbh. That sword has great potential.

So how 'bout Shiryu using two swords Cerberus and Raiu with a devil fruit as well.

3 Devil Fruits Shiryu

vs

3 Swords Zoro

:steef:
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I'm rooting for other way.
Shamrock Sword Name - Cerberus
Shiryu Sword Name - Raiu

CereBerus - Gaurdian of Hell
Raiu - (Means Thunderstorm) , If had to add a devil fruit to that , "Raijin" Japanese thunder God is the best option.

Shiryu might have Lightening speed (Like enel Kizaru) + destructive Capablities too.

NOTE**
EVERYTIME shiryu has used His sword , Speed was always at focus.
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Blazing Lion said:
What do you mean its not DF sword?
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I see it as an awakening Spamming , Like Ashura / Enma (Grim Reaper). Shanks Gryphon.

Made a thread on that ,
Gunko fruit was revealed right away.
Shamrock sword was named " Cereberus " , he didn't my sword ate a df , rather my sword named Cerberus.
 
Bisoromi Bear

Bisoromi Bear

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#34
#34
Blazing Lion said:
Before the drop of this chapter, there was a lot of discussion on Zoro vs Shamrock or Luffy vs Shamrock. Being supposedly the boss of the arc many speculated that it would be Luffy who will fight Shamrock instead of Zoro. Then the spoilers/hints dropped and the Cerberus thing made headlines with who it might belong to (Loki or Shamrock) and how it might effect the matchups. Then we get the detailed spoilers and we learn that Cerberus is an awakened mythical zoan fed to Shamrocks sword. At this point it makes a lot more sense for Zoro to fight Shamrock instead of Luffy. Reasons:
Swordsman (Luffy has barely if ever fought against swordsmen opponents)
Shanks Twin (Surpassing Shanks before being able to challenge Mihawk)
Cerberus (Guardian of Hell vs King of Hell)
3 sword style vs 3 sword heads
Samurai vs Knight

At this point it seems like Sham is a tailored opponent for Zoro and not Luffy. There is a problem though and I already said this in the spoiler thread. It increases Zoros confirmed fights. Shiryu (due to BB), Venus (due to Kitetsu) and Mihawk (final fight) are 99% confirmed fights for Zoro. But if we add Shamrock to the list too then it is already difficult to fit the previous three fights into expected arcs. We jump from 3 arcs for each opponent to 4 arcs and the pace of the story doesnt suggest we will have 3 arcs let alone 4, we are already in the final saga.

There have been arcs where Zoro has defeated multiple opponents in the same arc but when you take into account the importance of the chars in question it seems very hard that they will be sacrificed like that. I mean the least impressive from the 4 is Shiryu atm but due to BB association you can bet how important he will be. Off the top of my head we have had Zoro defeat Braham and Ohm I think in Skypiea, then Ryuma and Oars fight and then Kuma (not exactly the type of fights) in TB. In Wano he had quite a few but none of the earlier defeated chars were as important to the story or narrative as the 4 guys are.

So here comes the twist, Zoro will not fight Shamrock. Rather the BBPs will somehow invade MG and beat the HK or they will come at the end of some battle where Shiryu will be able to feed the Cerberus DF to his sword and Zoro will fight Shiryu with two DFs like many have suggested before. This will parallel quite a few things. Firstly Shiryu and BB being the two guys with multiple DFs (BB might actually get three). Shiryu will also get two DFs which are associated with BB previously (Invis was suggested for BB before while the 3 heads of Cerberus for BB being able to have multiple DFs etc.). It will also fit perfectly with his head jailer theme by having the guardian of hell as his DF. An invisible swordsman who can not be touched due to becoming nothing with an awakened mythic zoan sword which can attack from three sides simultaneously and which may also be hidden.

@nik87 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @HA001 @mly90 @CbShadow @Kōri no kokyū etc.
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He might not even be the arc boss. We'll have more clarity once the backup arrives.
 
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