Yeah, hate usually just ends up forcing you into corners that make your own agenda seem bad because you can't push it without contradictions. This is why, even as a Shanks fan, I tend to prop up Mihawk a lot and only slander him when his fans slander Shanks first because I know they're relative rivals who're right beside each other. The Shankstards who push Mihawk as some YC1 bum are now making Shanks look bad because that's his relative rival
Our true hate agenda should be against those admiraltards who try sneaking their fodder goats into conversations of the strongest