Le Fishe Thread R.I.P Yonko Lvl Gaban

#61
Z boys worship Kaido words as gospel and then be shocked when people do the same to put Oden above everyone that wasn't in his top
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Forget Rayleigh, Oden > Mihawk since Mihawk wasn't in the famous top 5
Most shameless ones are Linlin wankers who use that panel like gospel. Noodle and Albino will tell you that panel is Kaido's undeniable Top 5 but Linlin>>>>Oden, please don't ask questions. :Kizgrin:
 
#63
I understand Zoro fans' frustrations due to being clowned in the discussions thread intially.

But at some point, once the dust of agenda settles, you have to realize that this is a win for Zoro too.
Gaban being close to Roger means that Rayleigh is even more closer to Roger.

Take the damn W and go after Luffy fans lmao. They've been pushing Roger = 2/3 Rayleighs, Luffy solos his whole crew, etc for a long time.
Can't believe those guys are still getting away with deflecting lmao
Yeah idk how luffy fans aren’t getting cooked by every fandom rn.
 
#64
But at some point, once the dust of agenda settles, you have to realize that this is a win for Zoro too.
Sword swallowers are born losers, Zoro stans especially. They don't know what a W looks like, never mind what to do with it. :suresure:

We're talking about the kind of losers that project power fantasies on manga daddies. Their dedicated thread is called the the "Grand Temple" or some shit. These kind of losers are beyond saving.


The only appropriate response is to mock them relentlessly and remind them how much time in their life they've wasted to being wrong.
 
#73
Lmfao.

Yeah Viz murdered the Rayleigh ~ Gaban notion with that change, there's clearly a hierarchy (which is obvious anyways as Gold > Silver > Copper).

The shoulder to shoulder line really isn't that deep - the amount of characters you can say stood shoulder to shoulder together yet were lightyears apart in terms of strength is crazy.

As you've said, Oda himself stated Arlong stood shoulder to shoulder with Jinbe and Buggy stood shoulder to shoulder with Shanks.

The rooftop 5 stood shoulder to shoulder together vs the 2 Yonko, Oden stood shoulder to shoulder with Whitebeard, Sakura stood shoulder to shoulder with Naruto and Sasuke lmao. You can say the same for the three calamities, for the 4 sweet commanders incl. Snack, for the Shichibukai of whom it was initially stated that there were 6 more just like Mihawk [X]... It's really not that deep, it's just Oda grouping them together as the M3 - it doesn't mean they were close in strength, it simply means that there was a significant gap between these 3 and the rest of the crew (obviously excluding Oden).

This all really just stems from Roger downplay. He's underestimated because he's featless, but if someone said Scopper Gaban pushes Prime Whitebeard to extreme-diff they'd get laughed out the building and rightly so. Whitebeard and Roger were equals, even Kaido who was the strongest admitted that Roger was unmatched, and brought the world to its knees with his haki alone. And the gap between Kaido and mid top-tiers is not an insignificant one - don't forget that Kaido absolutely ragdolled ACoC G5 Luffy in 1047 whereas Kizaru was matching ACoC-less G5 Luffy.

Kaido, a high top-tier, high-diffs mid top-tiers. This Kaido admitted inferiority to Roger and even went to MF just to fight old Whitebeard. If Roger is capable of high-diffing someone of Kaido's calibre, then even mid top-tiers are getting mid-diffed or worse.

The ceiling is high. Garp and Sengoku, two men of Kaido's level fighting together against Shiki was still a high-diff battle lmao. So if Shiki is above Kaido, and Roger's above even Shiki matched only by Whitebeard, then the gap between Roger and mid top-tiers or worse is insane. For Gaban and Roger to even begin to be considered the same level, prime Gaban would have to be Kaido level. If old Gaban is low top-tier and looks as good as the likes of Garp and Rayleigh, then this is possible. If old Gaban is no longer a top-tier and is instead YC1/YC1+, then there is no chance that he was on Roger's level in his prime - simple. We'll find out soon enough.
 
#80
While it is fun to troll Sanjibros, I don't agree with what is implied, the translations have changed nothing.
Sanjibros will come out on top here.
People can take an L once or several times due to one and the same thing.
Remember how many Ls ppl took for underestimating Zoro... Dont fall for the same thing with Sanji of all ppl.
Fellow Zoribros are missing the big picture here tbh.

Many Zoribros spent years claiming that EoS Sanjino will cap out at barely above Marco/Kat level, which is now laughable after the hype Gaban received this chapter, having been explicitly given a 1:1 parallel with Sanji. That is an L by itself, but on top of that, Rayleigh is no longer the only special/relevant crewmate of Roger -- which was what many people used for years to separate Luffy and Zoro from Sanji and the rest of the crew.

Obviously, Rayleigh is still the VC, still the #2 and still Roger's partner, but now Oda has formally introduced the monster trio dynamic and the Zoro-Sanji dynamic into the Roger Pirates. If you try to downplay or even entirely remove the Roger ~ Ray ~ Gaban implication, it is hurting Ray's standing and by proxy hurting Zoro's standing.

Instead, accepting that those 3 are comparable in power and accepting that they reflect Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji basically guarantees Zoro's place at the top of the verse come EoS.
 
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