Le Fishe Thread R.I.P Yonko Lvl Gaban
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I agree that the equals shouldn't be there.
It's Roger > Rayleigh > Gaban.
I disagree that it doesn't mean there can be extreme diff between them. Though ultimately it depends on what your definitions of extreme diff is.
If you define it as 100-99 thing or Akainu/Aokiji thing, then no.
But if you define it like I do, in that it can range from 100-99 to 100-95; with condition being victor survives with severe injuries, then yes, extreme diff is possible.
This is how I see it:
It's Roger > Rayleigh > Gaban.
I disagree that it doesn't mean there can be extreme diff between them. Though ultimately it depends on what your definitions of extreme diff is.
If you define it as 100-99 thing or Akainu/Aokiji thing, then no.
But if you define it like I do, in that it can range from 100-99 to 100-95; with condition being victor survives with severe injuries, then yes, extreme diff is possible.
This is how I see it:
Says common sense - no pirate can compete with Roger in Fame because Roger is by far the most famous pirate.
Nobody can say Gaban/Ray stand shoulder to shoulder with Roger when it comes to fame and keep a straight face.
They absolutely can stand shoulder to shoulder with Roger when it comes to individual strength.
People keep forgetting the most obvious thing here - Ray and Gaban were on Roger's side, not against him.
Of course Whitebeard is compared to Roger, not the other way around, because it can be done only that way.
Idk why this is repeated all the time as if it means something, like cmon, bring some logic into it.
It is Whitebeard's introduction, not Roger's.
Roger doesn't get credit for beating who? Rocks? Who says he has beaten him in 1vs1? The story is way past Roger, he is irrelevant.
There are bigger fish to be hyped and given credit to. People simply don't get that Roger is irrelevant in the present.
Narrative requires other figures to be hyped and Oda was clear, they are not limited by Roger, when it comes to individual strength.
You are missing the point, the soul of the entire chapter, it's purpose...
It is clear to me, to introduce another monster comparable to Roger and Rayleigh.
And that is exactly what it means to stand shoulder to shoulder with those two.
Just because it comes from some random giants, it doesn't matter.
People refuse the same when it comes from King and Oden too.
I am not here to hunt fandom's individual agendas, I simply call out the wrong things.
While Rayleigh's aura is certainly hard to match, it is easy for Gaban to get better feats simply due to the nature of story's progression.
He gets to show off in an era where haki is dominant while Ray did it while Haki was barely a thing.
And there is a chance that Gaban might have unique powers, limited to him and Sanji probably, at least among relevant figures, so if he puts aCoC to shame with something that ain't aCoC, he will easily score great feats.
After all, the point of his introduction is to hype him up so that is Oda's goal here.
Genuinely wondering what do you think shoulder to shoulder refers to here?
Nobody can say Gaban/Ray stand shoulder to shoulder with Roger when it comes to fame and keep a straight face.
They absolutely can stand shoulder to shoulder with Roger when it comes to individual strength.
People keep forgetting the most obvious thing here - Ray and Gaban were on Roger's side, not against him.
Of course Whitebeard is compared to Roger, not the other way around, because it can be done only that way.
Idk why this is repeated all the time as if it means something, like cmon, bring some logic into it.
It is Whitebeard's introduction, not Roger's.
Roger doesn't get credit for beating who? Rocks? Who says he has beaten him in 1vs1? The story is way past Roger, he is irrelevant.
There are bigger fish to be hyped and given credit to. People simply don't get that Roger is irrelevant in the present.
Narrative requires other figures to be hyped and Oda was clear, they are not limited by Roger, when it comes to individual strength.
You are missing the point, the soul of the entire chapter, it's purpose...
It is clear to me, to introduce another monster comparable to Roger and Rayleigh.
And that is exactly what it means to stand shoulder to shoulder with those two.
Just because it comes from some random giants, it doesn't matter.
People refuse the same when it comes from King and Oden too.
I am not here to hunt fandom's individual agendas, I simply call out the wrong things.
While Rayleigh's aura is certainly hard to match, it is easy for Gaban to get better feats simply due to the nature of story's progression.
He gets to show off in an era where haki is dominant while Ray did it while Haki was barely a thing.
And there is a chance that Gaban might have unique powers, limited to him and Sanji probably, at least among relevant figures, so if he puts aCoC to shame with something that ain't aCoC, he will easily score great feats.
After all, the point of his introduction is to hype him up so that is Oda's goal here.
Genuinely wondering what do you think shoulder to shoulder refers to here?
Given that it is against Luffy, he will get hype of course. Even Lucci got hype against Luffy, however, we know that does not mean that the character is top tier.
The main reason why Gaban is not on the same level as Roger or Rayleigh is because he couldn't stop Loki even though he has been in Elbaph for 20 years (meaning he was more or less in his prime then) with the help of the other giants
The main reason why Gaban is not on the same level as Roger or Rayleigh is because he couldn't stop Loki even though he has been in Elbaph for 20 years (meaning he was more or less in his prime then) with the help of the other giants
The first part is fair enough but we have yet to see the details of that challenge.
I mistakenly posted before replying to your part so you probably saw only the response to Redboy's quote...
I don't think that's the reason why Gaban is not the same level as them because old Ray and old Roger wouldn't be able to stop Loki either, 6 years ago, which is when he caused trouble and murdered Harald.
It could simply be that Loki is that strong and old legends cannot stop him. Standing shoulder to shoulder with Roger/Ray can only refer to strength here, because there is no way he or Ray can match Roger's fame so when it comes to me, Gaban is equal to Roger, strength-wise. I cannot interpret shoulder-to-shoulder in any other way.
I mistakenly posted before replying to your part so you probably saw only the response to Redboy's quote...
I don't think that's the reason why Gaban is not the same level as them because old Ray and old Roger wouldn't be able to stop Loki either, 6 years ago, which is when he caused trouble and murdered Harald.
It could simply be that Loki is that strong and old legends cannot stop him. Standing shoulder to shoulder with Roger/Ray can only refer to strength here, because there is no way he or Ray can match Roger's fame so when it comes to me, Gaban is equal to Roger, strength-wise. I cannot interpret shoulder-to-shoulder in any other way.
6 years ago is even before the current timeline Gaban's statement was not even limited to 6 years but also before that period. In addition, Rayleigh 2 years ago stopped Kizaru and I'm pretty sure same Kizaru is not getting stopped by Loki.
In my view such a statement should be interpreted based on the facts we have and no fact points to Gaban being equal to Roger. The facts actually point in the opposite
In my view such a statement should be interpreted based on the facts we have and no fact points to Gaban being equal to Roger. The facts actually point in the opposite
I think we can wait and see how powerful Loki actually is.
However, I think Gaban has been out of his prime whenever Loki caused problems.
In the worst case, Loki might be so strong than he cannot be stopped even by their prime... But we will see soon enough.
If we read the room, the purpose of last chapter is to introduce another RP member who had monstrous strength, comparable to other 2.
However, I think Gaban has been out of his prime whenever Loki caused problems.
In the worst case, Loki might be so strong than he cannot be stopped even by their prime... But we will see soon enough.
If we read the room, the purpose of last chapter is to introduce another RP member who had monstrous strength, comparable to other 2.
Most shameless ones are Linlin wankers who use that panel like gospel. Noodle and Albino will tell you that panel is Kaido's undeniable Top 5 but Linlin>>>>Oden, please don't ask questions. 
Stop mentioning me
You don't see me being disrespectful you guys by calling you silly names
But I know you're a joke, so lemme ignore you again
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Luffy zoro sanji, oldbeard Marco jozu, Kaido king queen, Roger Rayleigh Gaban are all the same shit
Zoro and Sanji stand shoulder to shoulder with Luffy like they always have. Nothing changed and nothing is changing
Since the start of paradise
To the end of it
The start of the timeskip
Why make up an argument to get yourself upset
Oden ~ kaido > Linlin
Me wanting her (and Kaido) to return stronger doesn’t change how strong they were prior
Zoro and Sanji stand shoulder to shoulder with Luffy like they always have. Nothing changed and nothing is changing
Since the start of paradise
To the end of it
The start of the timeskip
Why make up an argument to get yourself upset
Oden ~ kaido > Linlin
Me wanting her (and Kaido) to return stronger doesn’t change how strong they were prior
Oden himself knew kaido wasn't at peak yet
And Oden isn't > Linlin
It is Kaido >~ BM >~ Shanks >= Teach ~ Luffy >~ Oden
Kaido and BM aren't returning stronger
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Rayleigh is not equal and will never equal to Roger
Ray and Scopper are wings like Zoro and Sanji are
Like King and queen are, like Marco and Jozu are for their captains
The difference is just that Ray and Scopper aren't way weaker than their captain, they're top tiers who give him high diff battle at best
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Is this take coming from the morons that still thought Zoro VS Sanji is a debate after Little Garden and spent years bullshitting about ZKK, is that what we’re doing?
Zoro stans are eternal losers. Y’all barely qualify as intelligent life.
Zoro stans are eternal losers. Y’all barely qualify as intelligent life.