Is Bleach Better than Kingdom?


  • Total voters
    179
And outside of Kai, who does the HSU even have? No one even close to Yoko’s level I can tell you that much. Sure Shin’s commanders can stall him by ganging up on him, but individually none of them are close to Yoko in any way.
I have actually been talking about this for a while now. Outside of KyouKai the Hi Shin unit is somewhat lacking. If we are going to believe that this unit has what it takes to become a unit fit for the "Greatest General Under Heaven" they need to start earning some feats. I was hoping that even if it was a 3v1 victory that the Den boy's and the archer brother would get one here by taking down Yoko Yoko. Someone in the Hi Shin Unit besides Kai needs to start making some noise and earning some achievements on the battlefield. That or they will have to assimilate some stronger fighters into their ranks.
 
My bias wants him to join the HSU. :PepeNumberOne:

It would be cool for Shin to start convincing and recruiting enemy Generals in the name of uniting China. Renpa recruited Kyouen after fighting him so I would like to see Shin achieve a similar feat at least once.

Regardless, Qin does need to show that they aren't just going to wipe out wholesale the Generals and soldiers of every state that they conquer. Kanki tanked their PR so Tou and Shin are going to need to claw it back.
So that we can have another martial beast that does jacksh*t along with Kyoukai and Kyourei :milaugh:
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
I have actually been talking about this for a while now. Outside of KyouKai the Hi Shin unit is somewhat lacking. If we are going to believe that this unit has what it takes to become a unit fit for the "Greatest General Under Heaven" they need to start earning some feats. I was hoping that even if it was a 3v1 victory that the Den boy's and the archer brother would get one here by taking down Yoko Yoko. Someone in the Hi Shin Unit besides Kai needs to start making some noise and earning some achievements on the battlefield. That or they will have to assimilate some stronger fighters into their ranks.
I could see Yoko Yoko surviving this battle, and after Han falls, he ventures to Nanyou to learn more about the Qin army who defeated his lords Rakuakan and Hakuokoku, to see if he will still need to raise his blade against Qin in the future.

There he learns of the kind Rishin and the Hi Shin Unit, who even forgave an old citizen who tried to assassinate Shin himself, which is just completely unheard of.

After this he would seek out the Hi Shin Unit, preferring to fight on the battlefield for them rather than to wither away and die of stagnation. Then we would need to see if the Hi Shin Unit themselves can forgive someone who turned his blade against them like Shin did at Nanyou.

I can see this happening post-Zhao, so while Qin wraps up in Zhao, Yoko Yoko is in Nanyou and then comes to them afterward.

Mouten and Ouhon themselves would need to gather some busted subordinates to be keeping up with Shin though. I have loved the idea of Bananji joining Mouten for a while now.
I could even see Yoko Yoko leaving the HSU later when Ei Sei goes batshit, and this would be the first time Shin would actually have to fight an ex HSU commander on the battlefield lol.
 
So that we can have another martial beast that does jacksh*t along with Kyoukai and Kyourei :milaugh:
Kyoukai supposedly wants to leave the HSU in order to become a Great General and when she does that, Rei will probably go with her since Kai is the person she is closest too.

Which means there is room for the HSU to have good future subordinates that aren't bullshit Shiyuu. :PepeNumberOne:
I could see Yoko Yoko surviving this battle, and after Han falls, he ventures to Nanyou to learn more about the Qin army who defeated his lords Rakuakan and Hakuokoku, to see if he will still need to raise his blade against Qin in the future.

There he learns of the kind Rishin and the Hi Shin Unit, who even forgave an old citizen who tried to assassinate Shin himself, which is just completely unheard of.

After this he would seek out the Hi Shin Unit, preferring to fight on the battlefield for them rather than to wither away and die of stagnation. Then we would need to see if the Hi Shin Unit themselves can forgive someone who turned his blade against them like Shin did at Nanyou.

I can see this happening post-Zhao, so while Qin wraps up in Zhao, Yoko Yoko is in Nanyou and then comes to them afterward.

Mouten and Ouhon themselves would need to gather some busted subordinates to be keeping up with Shin though. I have loved the idea of Bananji joining Mouten for a while now.
I could even see Yoko Yoko leaving the HSU later when Ei Sei goes batshit, and this would be the first time Shin would actually have to fight an ex HSU commander on the battlefield lol.
Come on Hara, this is legitimate peak fiction right here man. This needs to happen with somebody. :sighting:
 
Hango battle > Han battle for now
By a good margin

SBS and his boyz were good

Haku killed by Shin here is so bland and void
The man was introduced, did almost nothing and was killed

I won’t remember anything about him
Han is the weakest (weaker than Yan and Qi) of the 7 warring states for a reason. It wouldn't make sense for their generals to push Qin to some bloody war, plus it wouldn't be historically accurate either.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Han is the weakest (weaker than Yan and Qi) of the 7 warring states for a reason. It wouldn't make sense for their generals to push Qin to some bloody war, plus it wouldn't be historically accurate either.
I am not saying they have to mis Qin extreme diff

But they can be a challenge a little first

and they can bring characters that are not completely void

Here we have Shin killing someone who was forcefully hyped one or two chapters ago (that 2 stars hype pushing back Renpa etc was ridiculous writing), we don’t know shit about him, we don’t have impactful moments with him, lines, strategy, feat, nothing. The man was just the general of the week. 0 personality like his bland ass design.

And he was killed in a straight short duel, as soon as a the battle really begun

Frankly im unimpressed

Only hope now is Rakuakan and I don’t have high hopes too

The only real interesting thing in the arc is how to make conquered people accepting the new rule and how to make it smooth etc
 
Ousen getting destroyed by RBK isn't historically accurate either, along with many other things, so that's a weird argument to use.
It was pretty damn close to being accurate and the story has been following pretty close to the true history with Hara just making the battles go the way he wanted. Last arc where Qin lost "Li Mu (RiBoku) and Sima Shang (SBS) (司馬尚) built defensive structures and avoided direct confrontation with Qin forces, who were unable to advance further, resulting in a stalemate." Did Hara take a few liberties? Yes, but is it close to historically accurate? Yes. Same thing is happening with this arc.
 
Han is the weakest (weaker than Yan and Qi) of the 7 warring states for a reason. It wouldn't make sense for their generals to push Qin to some bloody war, plus it wouldn't be historically accurate either.
Weird argument
Being the weakest doesn't mean you have to be pathetic
Qin has like 8-9 gg level characters
Zhao stacked as well
and each of those guys has multiple impressive vassals in their armies
Han could have easily had 2 qin6 level generals who each have a couple of decent HK tier vassals while still being weaker than the other states
Yet here we have 2 gg's below the Qin 6 and only 1 impressive subordinate in their entire state.
Han is less stacked than Seika which is one city in Zhao.
 
Weird argument
Being the weakest doesn't mean you have to be pathetic
Qin has like 8-9 gg level characters
Zhao stacked as well
and each of those guys has multiple impressive vassals in their armies
Han could have easily had 2 qin6 level generals who each have a couple of decent HK tier vassals while still being weaker than the other states
Yet here we have 2 gg's below the Qin 6 and only 1 impressive subordinate in their entire state.
Han is less stacked than Seika which is one city in Zhao.
Do you not know how things actually went down in the history of China?
This is crazy.
I have one person saying Hara takes too many liberties with characters like Ri Boku and now I have another one saying that Hara isn't taking enough.
Where did I go wrong?
 
Do you not know how things actually went down in the history of China?
This is crazy.
I have one person saying Hara takes too many liberties with characters like Ri Boku and now I have another one saying that Hara isn't taking enough.
Where did I go wrong?
Didn't know this was a documentary
Hara has already brought people back from the dead but having Haku be a decent tactican that bamboozles Ten for a couple of chapters and then gets overpowered by Shin's instincts would have destroyed this manga oh no
How could we recover if the Haku army had a decent warrior that gave a tough fight to Kyoukai? This manga would be finished.
 
Didn't know this was a documentary
Hara has already brought people back from the dead but having Haku be a decent tactican that bamboozles Ten for a couple of chapters and then gets overpowered by Shin's instincts would have destroyed this manga oh no
How could we recover if the Haku army had a decent warrior that gave a tough fight to Kyoukai? This manga would be finished.
But it's finished because those thing didnt happen? Get real. It's surely not as bad as you're making it out to be. It's inline with the history of what happens during this was and they seems to have accomplished what the actual goal of this battle is.

I said it from the beginning of this fight. Han would be outdone by their lack of experience and that's exactly what went down. These Generals who have seen limited battle due to being shielded by Wei and Zhao were overconfident in their abilities. They've dulled, they didn't realize it, and they've been easily defeated.
 
"Early" TL
https://fast-translation-kingdom.blogspot.com/2025/02/kingdom-chapter-826.html

@Elder Lee Hung @Owl Ki @Blackbeard @God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea @FutureWarrior123 @RayanOO @Rumble @Greenbeard @Dark Admiral @Jailer @Peroroncino @Monet @Topi Jerami @Shanks @Cichy @Bullet @mmd @Yo Tan Wa @𝓓𝓡 . 𝕋𝒆ñ𝐦𝐚 @Darkrai1381 @tcb @Pirao @Luffy is the mc @Warchief Sanji D Goat @Bepo @Daniel @Pot Goblin @centurion @Ou Zen @GUI VI @Alexis2282AE @Ousen @BanditKanki @moreha9685 @PlasmaSnake

I didn’t notice this until now, but Hakuokoku actually came pretty close to Shin’s head. Lol

Quite an underappreciated feat right there.
I said it before, this fight is similar to Ren Pa vs Hakugoat.

Only, Haku didn't just miss and get a relatively minor wound for it.

I think that was entirely within Shin's control.
 
Top