That's precisely the point, Oda didn't commit fully to WB > Mihawk in a 1v1 sense. Portrayal wise, if you look at that scene, this definitely speaks to Whitebeard's favour, but it's not the end all be all.
Mihawk can lap WB, and this statement and scene would still make sense.
Idk if I would go that far but I agree with your overall point.
MF Whitebeard was far from the strongest dude in the world.
And Mihawk's words never implied anything that anti-Mihawk agenda pushed all these years.
It was never about testing a gap in strength between them but testing if he can be taken out first.
...he simply made the same observation that several others made as well.
I have seen this cope too many times that Mihawk admitted inferiority to Whitebeard by deciding to test the gap in their strength.
The truth is, that simply never happened and I grew tired of explaining to every single individual what actually happened...
...so I decided to end it once and for all with this thread.
What can you expect in this thread? Facts, common sense and the most important, context.
Even the bright individuals of OP community, with IQ above room temperature fall for the trap of looking at isolated panels.
This time, I am serving a lot of context so brace yourselves. Let's go!
To give you a sense of the battlefield, here is the map of Marineford alongside the formation of battleships and cannons.
The formation clearly suggests that they never expected Whitebeard's ships to appear where they did and several characters have confirmed this in the manga and Tsuru said their formation might be all wrong after she realized where he would resurface. They expected to fight Whitebeard outside of the Marineford bay!
However, knowing they would prepare for his arrival, Whitebeard chose to do something unorthodox, something that would allow them to avoid the barrage of all the battleships around the island as well as all the cannons around the island and instead appeared in the middle of the bay where the walls protect them from the warship cannon fire but in turn, it exposed them to all the troops Marineford had lined up. That was a risk they were willing to take.
With Whitebeard's ships appearing where nobody expected them, the leader and main strategist of the Marines thinks the following:
Sengoku's first comment upon seeing where Whitebeard appeared is that they are very CLOSE to them.
And mind you, Sengoku is the furthest away from Whitebeard considering he is all the way in the back, on the execution scaffold.
Speaking of physical locations on the map and Sengoku being furthest away, who is the closest to Whitebeard?
The front lines, next to the cannons on the walls, of course! And who is on the front lines among Mareinford troops?
Well, see for yourselves:
Nobody is physically closer to Whitebeard than Warlords at the very start of the front lines!
Do you smell what I am cooking with this?
At this point, you should indeed smell it unless you already decided that copium is your nindo.
Whitebeard is incredibly close to the front lines, no wonder several characters remarked the physical distance.
Whitebeard is barely a ship's length away from the front lines!
Now, with context served and digested, the facts are evident, several characters are thinking that Whitebeard is way too close to them.
Physically, without using a measuring stick or whatever nonsense the copium huffers were coming up with.
Nobody is starting a dick measuring contest in Marineford at that point except for agenda pushers among the OP fandom.
Two powerhouses among the Marineford troops have the same idea - Whitebeard is physically close enough to be taken out right away!
Those powerhouses are Mihawk and Kizaru. Both of them attempt to take out Whitebeard first.
Immediately after Mihawk's attempt fails, Kizaru jumps and tries the same.
Marco responds and clears up the nonsense - despite being very close to enemy troops, Whitebeard pirates are a formidable group that can take care of threats and protect the their king from being taken so early in the game!
Finally, to explain the isolated panels to the super slow among the fandom...
>What are you doing? Are you really going to fight?
What Doflamingo makes clear in this statement is that the Warlords do NOT intend to do what they are summoned to do? Fight for real.
They showed up to keep their benefits but that is all, they never intended to put their lives at stake for the sake of the World Government.
>I just want to measure the true distance between that man and us.
What Mihawk makes clear in his line is that he wants to test if the distance is really that small that Whitebeard can be taken out.
It was always about the physical distance between that man(Whitebeard) and us(Warlords, Marineford's front lines).
The copium gang always turned this into >strength difference between that man and me.
Mihawk never said that. It was always nothing more and nothing less than a matter of reading comprehension.
Finally, after all these years, now you know, that you have been huffing copium the entire time, whether you were aware of it or not.
The only question that remains is - Will you continue to take the L due to this copium or you will continue to cope?
It was simply a time when narrative wanted to hype up Whitebeard while Mihawk was a side character most of the time.
Idk if I would go that far but I agree with your overall point.
MF Whitebeard was far from the strongest dude in the world.
And Mihawk's words never implied anything that anti-Mihawk agenda pushed all these years.
It was never about testing a gap in strength between them but testing if he can be taken out first.
MF WB was below Mihawk in power.
MF WB would lose to Marco. Marco has less AP than WB, but is overall stronger during MF.
Not even remotely capping here. People need to become realistic about old WB. Its agendadriven nonsense by admiral fans to hype him up with top tier. We now got on panel display of top tier power. Can anyone say with a staight face that old MF WB would be able to stalemate Kaido?
As cools as some parts of his interactions in MF were we need to view them in context. There are other instances were great feats were done, but only as a last resort, fully knowing that their life was at an end.
Oden is the most recent example of this.
WB entered the MF fray aware that he would likely not leave the place alive. After Squardo stabbed him it was ogre for him and he knew.
For the Mihawk/WB interaction.
What was the point of interfering in this if WB could handle it himself. Its not a good look no matter what reason the commanders gave.
Prime WB would not allow them to save him. It would be a disgrace.
exactly. mihawk was trying to provoke Whitebeard into a 1v1. instead, Whitebeard's crew goes AAAHHH I HAVE TO SAVE YOU OYAJIIIIII and blocks for him. if Whitebeard needs that he fell off. the distance is farther than expected.
Then you read it wrongly. Not uncommon.
Mihawk wanted smoke with WB and prime WB would never let him down. A challenge by the WSS would be answered by himself and not his commanders.
Jozu interfering was all Mihawk needed to see the truth.
Then you read it wrongly. Not uncommon.
Mihawk wanted smoke with WB and prime WB would never let him down. A challenge by the WSS would be answered by himself and not his commanders.
Jozu interfering was all Mihawk needed to see the truth.
He would've said "the distance between ME and that man" instead of "us", if what you're saying has any sense to it
WSS has no personal quarrel with the WSM, he knows he's stronger and he doesn't care
It is called common sense. Everyone should be able to put 2 and 2 together.
Strongest weapon that is a result of haki forging it and lifting its rank and making it #1 is logically a tell tale that the user has the strongest haki and well, the strongest haki means the strongest character because >Haki conquers everything.
Yes, unironically Jozu proved that the true distance is bigger than what it is physically.
Yes, they have shown that true distance is bigger.
And dont forget Kizaru attempting to do the same thing Mihawk did - not measuring Power whatsoever.
No, it has nothing to do with CoO and power scaling.
Both Kizaru and Mihawk attempted the same thing - take Whitebeard out.
It has nothing to do with gap in power but Whitebeard being close, in range to be taken out.
But Marco responds that king cannot be taken out so early, proving that true distance is bigger than what Mihawk(and Kizaru) thought.
If only there was any evidence of this nonsense... The last straw was sunk today by context.
People simply have already determined that Whitebeard is stronger than Mihawk and dont care about anything else.
You are one of those. And like all others, you too are wrong.
Sickness has nothing to do with it, even if it was Primebeard, Mihawk was stronger.
Neither Mihawk nor Kizaru have attempted to measure power difference, they attempted the same thing - to take out WB right away.
Then you read it wrongly. Not uncommon.
Mihawk wanted smoke with WB and prime WB would never let him down. A challenge by the WSS would be answered by himself and not his commanders.
Jozu interfering was all Mihawk needed to see the truth.
You just fundamentally don't understand Whitebeards character. WB in his prime avoided fights with the Navy because he had no interest in that. Why would he fight Mihawk? He never in his life had any interest in that, and he certainly wouldn't be interested while Ace was about to be executed.
MF WB was below Mihawk in power.
MF WB would lose to Marco. Marco has less AP than WB, but is overall stronger during MF.
Not even remotely capping here. People need to become realistic about old WB. Its agendadriven nonsense by admiral fans to hype him up with top tier. We now got on panel display of top tier power. Can anyone say with a staight face that old MF WB would be able to stalemate Kaido?
As cools as some parts of his interactions in MF were we need to view them in context. There are other instances were great feats were done, but only as a last resort, fully knowing that their life was at an end.
Oden is the most recent example of this.
WB entered the MF fray aware that he would likely not leave the place alive. After Squardo stabbed him it was ogre for him and he knew.
For the Mihawk/WB interaction.
What was the point of interfering in this if WB could handle it himself. Its not a good look no matter what reason the commanders gave.
Prime WB would not allow them to save him. It would be a disgrace.
Yes, Marineford WB was stronger then Kaido. Kaido himself believed this, which is why he waits until Wb was busy with a war to attack him. He had no plans of trying to fight WB aside from that at all
Mihawk never admitted to be inferior to WB. That's headcannon. All he was doing was testing to see if Yonko, who hardly ever leave their territory, can be easily hit.
Even though WB is close, he not as easy to hit it's not as easy as it seems thanks to his YC.
The YC Oda used to block Mihawk attack was Jozu, the YC with the strongest defensive power in the crew and one of the strongest defensive power in the manga. Oda didn't use Vista.
Mihawk never admitted to be inferior to WB. That's headcannon. All he was doing was testing to see if Yonko, who hardly ever leave their territory, can be easily hit.
Even though WB is close, he not as easy to hit it's not as easy as it seems thanks to his YC.
The YC Oda used to block Mihawk attack was Jozu, the YC with the strongest defensive power in the crew and one of the strongest defensive power in the manga. Oda didn't use Vista.
This right here. It's explained what Mihawk was saying.
Close this thread.
Sorry anti-Zoro/anti-Mihawk cult, but you are wrong again.
Again, which territory was Whitebeard stationed at? The manga never implies anything like that ever existed. Whitebeards was a pirate who traveled and is shown often on his ship. He seemed to put his flag on any island he wanted to protect, but its never implied or shown that he hung out much in FMI or anything else. In EL, in Chap 0, in the Oden flashback, in the Ace flashback he is on his ship. He never hid in an island for 28 years like the seastones salesman
Its funny how some Mihawk "fans" say he showed up to the Marineford war to keep the warlord position. Mihawk never cared about that position and was getting job offers 5 seconds after the warlord system ended. He left the second the war was about Shanks and not Whitebeard.
Truth be told, Mihawk's "measurement" between him and Whitebeard being about WB's commanders is further supported by Mihawk later on noting that Luffy's true power is how easily he can turn anyone around him into his allies, including former enemies, and he even notes that's the most dangerous ability in the entire ocean. The fact that Whitebeard was able to have so many individuals willingly risk their lives for him against any threat speaks volumes to how Whitebeard himself has such a power, though to a lesser extent.
Meanwhile, Mihawk himself has no one except maybe the baboons to come to his aid, Moria has only a few individuals, but the vast majority of his "allies" are mindless zombies, Doffy has his small gang, but that's pretty much it, etc.
The World Government do have "allies" but it's more of a job to the Marines rather than a genuine bond in anyway, and allied countries are "allies" either by force or by a mutual agreement for resources. Nobody's sticking their necks out for any World Government official without compensation, especially not for the Celestial Dragons.
I mainly have to thank @nik87 and @ZenZu for opening my eyes, and in doing so, made me expand on my interpretation of Mihawk's statement about Luffy's ultimate power. Thanks.
I see the comment as Mihawk wanting to test how much WB is stronger than him but finding out that WB is a shell of his prime self who’s weaker than him and hence needs his subordinates blocking his slashes hence knows he’s weaker and stops attacking since he doesn’t wanna pick on people not in their prime out of respect.
None of that actual physical distance bullshit headcanon garbage
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