Controversial General Political Discussion

[Brush D. Teeth]

In times of war, the media quickly polarize the debate into good vs bad.

Until now it was "gradually increasing the weapon supply for Ukraine". But now that Trump came back, all he repeats is "Zelesnky wants WW3" and his supporters think Trump is a savior because he kneeled against tyranny.

I swear even the mofos Talibans have been fought for 20years by both the Republicans and the Democrats. Trump didn't pull back from Afghanistan. But he pulls back from sending weapons to the democracy of Ukraine where Zelensky is still very popular and choose to supply Israel instead. Hypocritical.

People voted Trump because they wanted it to stop. Zelensky wants to continue until he takes Crimea back, if you agree go and fight alongside him because he needs more men.
That Ukraine is a democracy is debatable, together with the fact that being a democracy automatically makes you always right. A good example is Israel.

 

[Mathias]

People voted Trump because they wanted it to stop. Zelensky wants to continue until he takes Crimea back, if you agree go and fight alongside him because he needs more men.

People voted for Trump for every single lies they've been fed with. I think they cared more about they/them and transpeople rights than world peace ...

That Ukraine is a democracy is debatable, together with the fact that being a democracy automatically makes you always right. A good example is Israel.

The USA is a great example too

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

People voted for Trump for every single lies they've been fed with. I think they cared more about they/them and transpeople rights than world peace ...

Ceasefire in Gaza and soon in Ukraine in less than a month. Guess the bloodbath was more peaceful for some.

The USA is a great example too

Unless you win the election. After all democracy means government of the democratic party, it's even in the name duh.

 

[Mathias]

Ceasefire in Gaza and soon in Ukraine in less than a month. Guess the bloodbath was more peaceful for some.

Unless you win the election. After all democracy means government of the democratic party, it's even in the name duh.

Gaza Riviera … what a clownish « peace » argument.

Electoral college and Russian meddling in 2016 is anti democratic. So is January 6th when you lose.

Anyway this time it didn’t happen. But as you said yourself, being a democracy doesn’t make you always right

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Gaza Riviera … what a clownish « peace » argument.

Electoral college and Russian meddling in 2016 is anti democratic. So is January 6th when you lose.

Anyway this time it didn’t happen. But as you said yourself, being a democracy doesn’t make you always right

I don't like what he says or suggests, but you have to acknowledge that what he's done so far is 1000 times better than what you democrats did, that is the extermination of almost 1/10 of the population.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Ukraine will officially stop being a country soon and will be baptized as "huge mine for the Big Tech"

You mean big tech and e-mobility mine No.9537? Because what Donnie is trying to do in Ukraine is neither innovative nor new nor rare in any way. Never wondered why China of all countries is pushing electromobility? Or look up the Indonesian island of Halmahera. Or how the EU are trying to get their hands on Serbian resources, provoking mass protests in the population.

Gaza Riviera … what a clownish « peace » argument.

Not the first transformation of normal people's homeland into a luxury tourism destination and certainly not the last. All I'll say is digital nomads in SE Asia.

 

[NAMELESS]

People voted Trump because they wanted it to stop. Zelensky wants to continue until he takes Crimea back, if you agree go and fight alongside him because he needs more men.
That Ukraine is a democracy is debatable, together with the fact that being a democracy automatically makes you always right. A good example is Israel.

So Israel is entitled to fight Hamas until they get all their hostages back, but Ukraine can't do the same? HIPOCRISY!

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

So Israel is entitled to fight Hamas until they get all their hostages back, but Ukraine can't do the same? HIPOCRISY!

Not sure what you are trying to say but I don't like Israel.

 

[NAMELESS]

Ceasefire in Gaza and soon in Ukraine in less than a month. Guess the bloodbath was more peaceful for some.

Unless you win the election. After all democracy means government of the democratic party, it's even in the name duh.

You sure about Ukraine? What is the deterrent being applied so Russian don't strike back after the cease fire?

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Not sure what you are trying to say but I don't like Israel.

It's double standards for the USA to back up Israel while denying help to Ukraine.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

You sure about Ukraine? What is the deterrent being applied so Russian don't strike back after the cease fire?

The mineral deal was, from my understanding, supposed to act as a deterrent because the gringos were not gonna let the Russians take their rare minerals, but of course that went out of the window yesterday.

It's double standards for the USA to back up Israel while denying help to Ukraine.

I agree that they shouldn't give money to Israel but if you give money to one beggar, should you be forced to also give it to another? Besides the American establishment isn't filled with powerful Ukrainian people...

 

[NAMELESS]

The mineral deal was, from my understanding, supposed to act as a deterrent because the gringos were not gonna let the Russians take their rare minerals, but of course that went out of the window yesterday.

I agree that they shouldn't give money to Israel but if you give money to one beggar, should you be forced to also give it to another? Besides the American establishment isn't filled with powerful Ukrainian people...

Whoever thought that was going to stop Putin is certainly an imbecile.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Whoever thought that was going to stop Putin is certainly an imbecile.

Have fun taking over Moscow then, let me know how it goes.

 

[Mathias]

I don't like what he says or suggests, but you have to acknowledge that what he's done so far is 1000 times better than what you democrats did, that is the extermination of almost 1/10 of the population.

I almost forgot I was a Democrat.

Have fun taking over Moscow then, let me know how it goes.

Prigojine was very close to do it to be fair. It doesn't seem that hard, give me three hundred wackos with enough magazine, and I'll bring Putin to the International Court. The issue is just being dropped directly in Moscow and extraction. We can do it.

Obviously, we'll do a false flag operation. Because we know how they always end up so well... without any repercussions at all.

 

[NAMELESS]

Have fun taking over Moscow then, let me know how it goes.

Question: Who is at fault for this invasion?

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Question: Who is at fault for this invasion?

It'd probably be a long and unfruitful discussion and I am sorry but I can't be bothered, let's just say that Russia isn't the only country making military interventions.

I almost forgot I was a Democrat.



Prigojine was very close to do it to be fair. It doesn't seem that hard, give me three hundred wackos with enough magazine, and I'll bring Putin to the International Court. The issue is just being dropped directly in Moscow and extraction. We can do it.

Obviously, we'll do a false flag operation. Because we know how they always end up so well... without any repercussions at all.

And he is dead.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The mineral deal was, from my understanding, supposed to act as a deterrent because the gringos were not gonna let the Russians take their rare minerals, but of course that went out of the window yesterday.

Out the window my rear. Trump forces Zelensky in a situation where he can decide only between giving their territory to Putler or to Trumpistan.

I agree that they shouldn't give money to Israel but if you give money to one beggar, should you be forced to also give it to another?

''Beggar'' 🙃 when will you people understand how international politics works?

give me three hundred wackos with enough magazine, and I'll bring Putin to the International Court.

I love the spirit I knew you're pro gun

 

[Ravagerblade]

Anybody simping and sucking Zelenski off is imo a disgrace.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Anybody simping and sucking Zelenski off is imo a disgrace.

The USA should split in two again. No point in trying to unite this divided subcontinent.

 

[Ravagerblade]

The USA should split in two again. No point in trying to unite this divided subcontinent.

 

[NAMELESS]

It'd probably be a long and unfruitful discussion and I am sorry but I can't be bothered, let's just say that Russia isn't the only country making military interventions.

And he is dead.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-and-security-assurances-glance
"Timeline

• July 16, 1990: Ukraine’s Declaration of Sovereignty
• July 31, 1991: The United States and the Soviet Union sign START
• Dec. 26, 1991: The Soviet Union officially dissolves, delaying entry into force of START
• Dec. 30, 1991: Minsk Agreement on Strategic Forces
  • The Commonwealth of Independent States agrees that strategic forces would be under the joint command of the former Soviet Union states
• May 23, 1992: Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and the United States sign the Lisbon Protocol
  • The protocol calls for the return of nuclear weapons in three formerly Soviet states to Russia and for all states to be added to the START treaty and join the NPT
• Jan. 14, 1994: Ukraine, Russia, and the United States sign the Trilateral Statement
  • Ukraine commits to full disarmament, including strategic offensive weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia
• Sept. 4, 1993: Massandra Accords
  • Failed summit between Russian and Ukrainian governments
• Dec. 5, 1994: Russia, Ukraine, United States, and the United Kingdom sign the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances
  • Includes security assurances against the threat or use of force against Ukraine’s territory or political independence
• Dec. 5, 1994: Ukraine submits its instrument of accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state
  • The five START parties exchange instruments of ratification for START, which enters into force
• June 1, 1996: Ukraine transfers its last nuclear warhead to Russia
• October 30, 2001: Ukraine eliminates its last strategic nuclear weapon delivery vehicle
• Dec. 4, 2009: Joint Statement by Russia and the United States
  • The two countries confirm the security guarantees made in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum
• March 18, 2014: Russia annexes Ukraine's Crimean peninsula and provides supports an ongoing insurrection by separatist forces in the eastern Luhansk and Donetsk provinces of Ukraine.
• Late 2021 to early 2022: Russia engages in "military exercises" with a force estimated to exceed 150,000 military personnel involving land-, sea-, and air-based weaponry on the northern, eastern, and southern borders of Ukraine raising fears of an invasion by Russia.
• February 24, 2022: Russia began a large-scale military attack and invasion of Ukraine, with planes and missile launcher attacks on Ukrainian cities, airports, and military infrastructure across much of the country."

Ukraine is in this mess thnx to Europe and America. The moral thing to do would be for NATO to help Ukraine, but since you people have no honor, instead you will coerce Ukraine into giving up their land and resources in exchange for a very fragile peace. Cowards.

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Anybody simping and sucking Zelenski off is imo a disgrace.

This is not about Zelensky, this about Ukranian sovereignty.