Anime & Manga One Piece Spoilers - The Waiting Room

[TheAncientCenturion]

If many of his policies had catastrophic effects on current story, kishi shoulda expanded and explained them. I don't care about orochimaru mouthing off trying to shift blame

He should’ve but he didn’t. Kishi instead let us with that unquestioned knowledge.

Orochimaru is an unreliable narrator

If he was, someone would’ve corrected him. Or kishi would’ve made this apparent at some point post-this interaction, it it really wasn’t true. Instead nobody questions it, not Hiruzen who had to live through Tobirama’s legacy.

How the fuck can't you sense sarcasm there?

Are you trying to say the guy obsessed with ninjutsu isn’t a big fan of the Kage known for inventing high level ninjutsu? Come on lmfao this is such cope

 

[Franz]

If Loki's tattoo is a hint of his DF then he might have a flying type DF.

Are you sure that he has a DF?

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

His policies led to a genocide lmao

It did not.
.he gave the Uchiha what they wanted

Power and authority over the other clans in the form of being the police force

Their own district same as the hyuuga.

The person whom even implied that the nineties fox had anything to do with the Uchiha was danzo. Otherwise the Uchiha were fine

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

People are just biased against Uchihas, it's actually worrying how many people think tobirama did a good job when the village still exists thanks to Itachi sacrifice.

It’s Tobirama fans who get a hard on from his no nonsense stance and pretend he’s the goat or something, when he’s the most embarrassing Hokage

 

[Peroroncino]

Many of your policies and jutsu…

It’s not just his Uchiha stance. And this is objective, 100%. Tobirama is Orochimaru’s favorite Hokage lol

oh pls, tobirama is everyone's favourite hokage

 

[Marimo_420]

Tobirama did nothing wrong.

 

[Welkin]

These are Kishi’s words, they’re not refuted and they’re the only report we have of Tobirama’s tenure as Kage lol.

They’re not Kishimoto’s words it’s Orochimaru’s opinion on Tobirama’s reign. If you were to ask 10 people about their opinion on X president they would all give you a different answer

Edo Tensei, a jutsu that requires a living person to die and the caster to grave rob the summoned dead? Yeah Tobirama can take credit for that, it’s not like the atom bomb where there were multiple people who could’ve done—no one is making Edo Tensei but Tobirama

Is Tobirama the one that used Edo Tensei to destroy the world? No? Then why does he shoulder the blame?

Edo Tensei was forbidden and Orochimaru decided to dig it up. Why didn’t Hiruzen stop his student from learning it?

 

[MarineHQ]

Tobirama had to tame the ticking time bomb fast before it went off, who knows how he would've handled everything later down the line if he didn't die so young.

At the very least unlike cuck Hiruzen he got off his chair and did something about the issues of the village.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

The same Akainu that was too scared of Shanks to challenge him?

Would never happen in a million years. Lol

Hanafuda was able to rival Kaido, something Saint Shanks the Holy Roppo could never accomplish in a million years.

I’m just one SBS, Oda confirmed Saint Shanks was beneath YC2 let that sink in

 

[SakazOuki]

Yeah,I wouldn't shit on Tobirama either necessarily, making sure that clans used to all hate eachother would come together in one village isn't exactly easy, and old feuds coming up again could cause a lot of problems, I think it makes sense he was worried about the uchiha clan because of Madara, though he obviously had his bigotries.

Tobirama was in no way bigoted, he led the village using brains over emotions
The Uchiha are a cursed clan by blood, their ocular powers being the proof of it. Hiruzen was a piss poor hokage which is why the more ruthless Danzo did what he wanted. Everyone sane knows Tobirama is the one who built the shinobi world

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Are you sure that he has a DF?

Yes? Whatever it is it has claws.

 

[Roo]

Trafalgar Law

 

[SakazOuki]

God Hiruzen was pathetic, if he didn't want to kill Orochimaru he could've at least detained him
What a fucking clown, Tsnunade clears

 

[sanzolu]

i guess redon is hiding hints again

 

[L57]

People are just biased against Uchihas, it's actually worrying how many people think tobirama did a good job when the village still exists thanks to Itachi sacrifice.

Bumtachi didnt saved shit

 

[RayanOO]

The Uchiha are a cursed clan by blood, their ocular powers being the proof of it.

None sense

Yeah Uchiha have some emotion problems

Yet you don’t see them going crazy every day or attacking others or other shit.

The more they had ties with other clans and integrated well into the village the less likely it would have been for them to go ham or be dangerous

Thinking he could tame them he only pushed them to be even more dangerous

 

[soupongo]

Tobirama was in no way bigoted, he led the village using brains over emotions
The Uchiha are a cursed clan by blood, their ocular powers being the proof of it. Hiruzen was a piss poor hokage which is why the more ruthless Danzo did what he wanted. Everyone sane knows Tobirama is the one who built the shinobi world

I don't entirely disagree with you, but he obviously didn't like the uchiha clan,which is what started the resentment between the uchiha and the leaf

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

They’re not Kishimoto’s words it’s Orochimaru’s opinion on Tobirama’s reign. If you were to ask 10 people about their opinion on X president they would all give you a different answer

1. Who wrote the dialogue
2. Did Hiruzen or Minato, two people who would be fully capable of refuting Orochimaru, step up to do so?

It is presented as a fact with the story moving on, there’s no indication Orochimaru is wrong here.

Is Tobirama the one that used Edo Tensei to destroy the world? No? Then why does he shoulder the blame?

Edo Tensei was forbidden and Orochimaru decided to dig it up. Why didn’t Hiruzen stop his student from learning it?

No, Tobirama just invented a morally atrocious jutsu that requires human sacrifice and grave robbing.

That’s not a good legacy lmfao

Hiruzen by that point in time was an old and weak man unable to push past his sentimentalism for his student. That is Hiruzen’s great failing, alongside the Uchiha Massacre.

Nobody is denying that

 

[RayanOO]

God Hiruzen was pathetic, if he didn't want to kill Orochimaru he could've at least detained him
What a fucking clown, Tsnunade clears

Tsunade is maybe the best Hokage

only big mistake I saw is thinking it was a good idea to put Naruto against Pain while it was stupid as fuck

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Tobirama was in no way bigoted, he led the village using brains over emotions
The Uchiha are a cursed clan by blood, their ocular powers being the proof of it. Hiruzen was a piss poor hokage which is why the more ruthless Danzo did what he wanted. Everyone sane knows Tobirama is the one who built the shinobi world

No he didn’t build the shinobi world lmfao and even if he did, that’s a total negative. The Shinobi world is a silent antagonist in all of Shippuden. It was the big obstacle to world peace