Spoiler One Piece Chapter 987 Spoilers Discussion

[Albino 👑]

Kaido "looking weak" doesn't really make anyone else look better
Cause as far as we know kaidos still the strongest and if it stays it just lets us know it coulda happened to anyone

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Kinemon has Advanced CoA but he still got cut by Law in Punk Hazard..... Even Doffy cut him I think......Having advanced CoA is definitely useful but it's not be all and end all lol

Kinnemon got cut by Doffy coz he was distracted, yet he was fine afterwards
He never was serious vs law like he is vs Kaido

Btw, we can confirm Katakuri top top tier :P ?
Advanced Observation Haki = the strongest people in the world, very rare
Advanced Haki enough to hurt the "strongest criature in the world" = 8 semi randoms characters
No one of those have Advanced Observation.

Katakuri is still the GOAT xDDDD.

The sooner people accept Kata is above commanders and Warlords, the better
FS is only attained by the best

 

[Fabiopazzo2]

People underestimate Kaido again

 

[SDfear]

Oda will drag act3 to chapter 1000

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Luffy didn't put his heart and soul into any of the attacks he launched on Kaido. We're talking about a series where one of the characters had a .02 percent survivability rate, and recovered in less than 24 hours because of his Willpower. I can provide dozens of more examples of impossible shit being pulled off because of willpower since the series began. The scabbards gave it everything they had and managed to just barely pierce Kaido's skin. It's not like they skewered him straight through from one side to the other.

2/3 %
https://s2.mangabeast01.com/manga/One-Piece/0538-002.png
That means that 2/3 people from 100 would survive that.
Nothing impressive. I mean, the MC showed a feat which can be replicated by 20 000/30 000 from 1 000 000.
Conqueror Haki is more impressive, 1 from 1 000 000.
:P

 

[mly90]

Ulti is salty as fuck that Yamato put her down with her mace/club, So the jealous girl brings one herself, lol Girl is asking to get pwnd.

i hope yamato fixes her attitude that would be a great sight

 

[Buusatan94]

At least it confirms that other Yonkos and Top Tiers can definitively injure Kaido.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

we are really about to have threads
calling kinemon low top tier

 

[SDfear]

The real hype next chapter will be Luffy vs Big Mom and Yamato vs Ulti and Who's Who

We know the scabbards are meant to lose but I'm kind of surprised they will be the ones to weaken kaido before his 1v1 against Luffy.

Kinemon went from fodder feats to YC1+ tier feat since he came back to Wano. He looks completely different, he's now a complete badass, proud and very capable. I like that change.

Regarding Luffy vs Big mom, we might see him use adv CoA for the first time in a fight.i can't wait to see how effective it is

Everything will be offscreen

 

[Rmstorm]

What? Zoro was never explicitly taught that by Koshiro, he had only heart instructions that he never followed through until Alabasta where just by memorizing the instructions he unlocked advanced Haki in a day while it took Luffy like a week with instructor and flash backs to unlock it. While Luffy was trained by one of the greatest Haki masters of all time Garp as a kid but he learned fuck all.

Also what do you mean higher level? Do you realize how strong Zoro's CoA is? Enma cant be tamed because its used to Oden's Godly CoA, scabbards who have CoA strong enough to hurt Kaido think they will turn into husk if they try to tame Enma, but Zoro's Haki was sufficient enough and then he made his Haki even stronger in a few days.

Lol at Luffy being more talented than Zoro when he needs DF cheat to be only as strong as Zoro yet have shit tier offense that can't even hurt Kaido while fodders like Kinnemon can.

Luffy was not trained by Garp, all Garp did was through Luffy in the jungle and told him to survive, Luffy is mostly self taught. Zoro was taught professionally. by 2 of the best teachers.

Luffy also has Future Sight and will have Advanced CoC very soon. That just shows the difference in talent between the 2.


There is no denying this, these are just manga facts.

 

[Jodie]

Could Big Mom bleed Kaido for 1 day?

 

[Master OF Haki]

While I do agree One Piece is far less consistent post TS, but I gotta agree with @Celestial D. Dragon will power resulting in power is a theme well established in One Piece. Yes many character have strong wills but its also the certain moments that triggers their force of will such as Zoro showing his force of will in Thriller Bark, or Luffy against Katakuri but there are moments such as Zoro passing out or Luffy getting knocked out by Killer where same will power doesn't come into fruition.

In that situation every scabbards used all the pent up frustration, the anger, their will power towards their assault on Kaido and they managed to make him bleed.

Luffy was frustrated too, he tought that his crew is dead and he was angry as fuck for both his cre and for hearting O-tama. So Kinemon's willpower>Luffy's Willpower, you can't explain it otherwise.

 

[mly90]

Zoro won't cut Kaido.

he definitely will

 

[Igor_akainu_redog]

Yonkous (whitout using armament haki)

Whitebeard was TOTALLY pierced by Squardo and fodders marines.

Kaido was a LITTLE BIT pierced by 10.000x stronger people and using the most advanced form of armament (Ryou)

BUT.....somehow, kaido is getting hate of some people for It.

Haha what a joke.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Luffy was frustrated too, he tought that his crew is dead and he was angry as fuck for both his cre and for hearting O-tama. So Kinemon's willpower>Luffy's Willpower, you can't explain it otherwise.

Oh no, its just that Kinnemon's Haki > Luffy's Haki, simple enough.

 

[Buusatan94]

I wouldn't bash Kaido that soon, as the old saying says an injured beast is only more dangerous, and he hasn't shown his true power yet. Plus being able of injuring doesn't mean that he isn't too a monster of endurance nor that he isn't an Awakened Zoan and so can quickly recover from injuries.

 

[Zara]

Kaido really went from 1 shotting luffy and splitting the heavens with big mom to getting penetrated by kinemon

KINEMON

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

the biggest FU to yonkos is if the allaince dont fail
but two yonkos are actually taken out this arc as luffy implies.
that would be tough

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Oooo I disagree with that for sure, because reality is Zoro is a far more competent Haki user and swordsmen in general are superior to brawlers so Luffy failed where swordsman who shat looking at Zoro flex succeeded.

You know as well as I do that if it was a do or die situation then Luffy could have damaged him. During the Lucci fight, G2 couldn't break through Lucci's Tekkai, but that last ditch willpower infused Jet gatling that ended the fight tore through it, like it was nothing.

 

[stealthblack]

I predict that once scabbards are defeated, momonosuke will can Zunisha to fight kaidou