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"Conspiracy theorists" were right all along
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-pandemic-likely-unleashed-by-lab-mishap-germanys-bnd/a-71897701
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-pandemic-likely-unleashed-by-lab-mishap-germanys-bnd/a-71897701
"Conspiracy theorists" were right all along
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-pandemic-likely-unleashed-by-lab-mishap-germanys-bnd/a-71897701
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-pandemic-likely-unleashed-by-lab-mishap-germanys-bnd/a-71897701
This is very important to understand, because this is the difference between thinking that there are big bad guys groups acting in the shadows out there to get us AND understanding that our systems are flawed enough that they will eventually product those types of results.
The political actions are not the same. The first will direct people toward reactionnarism the others toward social progressism.
This is also the difference between thinking that problems comes from people VS understanding that problems comes from systems. Once again, it's a materialistic approach.
"Conspiracy theorists" were right all along
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-pandemic-likely-unleashed-by-lab-mishap-germanys-bnd/a-71897701
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-pandemic-likely-unleashed-by-lab-mishap-germanys-bnd/a-71897701
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Okay, talk to me, American righties…are we sick of winning yet?? Fully slashed social services, mass firings in crucial sectors, eggs are still three times more expensive than they should be, an unelected foreign billionaire is pulling the strings on Putin’s sweetest boy, but at least DEI has been defeated, yeah?? 
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I know that full well Bear, I have been a strong conspiracy theorist myself.
This is precisely why it's so important to bring back two things:
- Hope
- Critical, materialist and Political Education
When I'm telling you that we must have a materialist approach. This means that we must look at people who fall for conspirationnism and those who defend states and governement the same way.
Understanding that our material conditions (and therefore systems) creates our social situations (good or bad) is fundamental and it allows us to have a critical look at both those types of rethoric.
This is precisely why it's so important to bring back two things:
- Hope
- Critical, materialist and Political Education
When I'm telling you that we must have a materialist approach. This means that we must look at people who fall for conspirationnism and those who defend states and governement the same way.
Understanding that our material conditions (and therefore systems) creates our social situations (good or bad) is fundamental and it allows us to have a critical look at both those types of rethoric.
Hope doesn't come from nowhere.
We have to look at the actual problems in society and solve them. Demanding or expecting the 1% to solve the problems they caused won't happen because that's not how it works.
The sheep mindset and mass infantilisation of grown adults has to go away.
Shutting up people and calling everything they suggest to be a conspiracy theory certainly won't make conspiracy theories go away.
I agree that overreacting and being too sceptical can be problematic long term but the same must be said about the sheepish follower mindset of those who blindly trust anything the government says.
In the case of the pandemic , spreading the meat market origin theory came with quite a few benefits to the elitist 1%.
*Animosity against Asians -> conflicts within societies ,racism always benefits the 1% because divide and conquer
*Anti meat agenda
* and ofc the obvious deflection of responsibility
The potential for further bioweapon research is still in the room. The COVID 19 virus was known to have different effects on different people depending on blood type and some genes iirc. Bioweapon use simplifies future genocides, depopulation of land deemed valuable by real estate clowns like the orange guy, or large landowners interesinterested in expanding their gmo monocultures and unsustainable cattle herds etc
The potential is HUGE, and what I mentioned doesn't even scratch the surface of what future lab made viruses do to societal stability.
Not only does it provide the authorities with a blueprint for lockdowns (aka mass detention of citizens) it also causes social unrest, divisions in the population and the exclusion of certain groups from participating.
We all saw how many citizens were willing to place all their hopes in experimental drugs, resorted to shaming fellow members of their societies for refusing the injectiinjecjectionsjections and ,once the majority was vaccinated and boosted, went back to normal and stopped wearing masks(at least that's how it was here).
The pandemic was a study on herd mentality and panic reaction. Humans who give in to panic and despair are ready to buy into whatever the supposed saviors sell them. It also saw a spread of (in some countries mandatory) surveillance apps, incentivized mobile payments, employee layoffs, school lockdowns producing a generation of students who were partially denied their right to education, further pressure on small local business, mental and emotional turmoil for the elderly residing in retirement homes due to shorter visiting hours.
The end goal is the ultimate destruction of democracy and full control over the world population. And the longer humans can live (massive wealth required ofc) , the longer it will be the same people pulling the strings.
We have to look at the actual problems in society and solve them. Demanding or expecting the 1% to solve the problems they caused won't happen because that's not how it works.
The sheep mindset and mass infantilisation of grown adults has to go away.
Shutting up people and calling everything they suggest to be a conspiracy theory certainly won't make conspiracy theories go away.
I agree that overreacting and being too sceptical can be problematic long term but the same must be said about the sheepish follower mindset of those who blindly trust anything the government says.
In the case of the pandemic , spreading the meat market origin theory came with quite a few benefits to the elitist 1%.
*Animosity against Asians -> conflicts within societies ,racism always benefits the 1% because divide and conquer
*Anti meat agenda
* and ofc the obvious deflection of responsibility
The potential for further bioweapon research is still in the room. The COVID 19 virus was known to have different effects on different people depending on blood type and some genes iirc. Bioweapon use simplifies future genocides, depopulation of land deemed valuable by real estate clowns like the orange guy, or large landowners interesinterested in expanding their gmo monocultures and unsustainable cattle herds etc
The potential is HUGE, and what I mentioned doesn't even scratch the surface of what future lab made viruses do to societal stability.
Not only does it provide the authorities with a blueprint for lockdowns (aka mass detention of citizens) it also causes social unrest, divisions in the population and the exclusion of certain groups from participating.
We all saw how many citizens were willing to place all their hopes in experimental drugs, resorted to shaming fellow members of their societies for refusing the injectiinjecjectionsjections and ,once the majority was vaccinated and boosted, went back to normal and stopped wearing masks(at least that's how it was here).
The pandemic was a study on herd mentality and panic reaction. Humans who give in to panic and despair are ready to buy into whatever the supposed saviors sell them. It also saw a spread of (in some countries mandatory) surveillance apps, incentivized mobile payments, employee layoffs, school lockdowns producing a generation of students who were partially denied their right to education, further pressure on small local business, mental and emotional turmoil for the elderly residing in retirement homes due to shorter visiting hours.
The end goal is the ultimate destruction of democracy and full control over the world population. And the longer humans can live (massive wealth required ofc) , the longer it will be the same people pulling the strings.
First : Yes, indeed, we must not infantilize people. This is why radical and progressive self organization system must be pushed and created.
Second: You are confusing a few things here.
Real legitimate concerns on the power of elites AND less legitimated fears on panics over pandemics.
Covid is an horror. The vaccin response was THE medical and scientific solution. You must be careful not to confuse the fact that a scientific experiment failed because the system was corrupted and the fact that others scientific from stronger system responded.
The push for vaccination and the social stigma that went with the refusal of vaccination are what saved us. You may not like that, but this is the material and medical fact.
What you are right to criticize - on the other hand - is the way the ruling class has used the necessary response against Covid to create oppressive measures and politics and gained power.
We need to considerate BOTH sides of the situation through a lens of domination relationships to be able to push a good political education and push people toward self organisation.
Second: You are confusing a few things here.
Real legitimate concerns on the power of elites AND less legitimated fears on panics over pandemics.
Covid is an horror. The vaccin response was THE medical and scientific solution. You must be careful not to confuse the fact that a scientific experiment failed because the system was corrupted and the fact that others scientific from stronger system responded.
The push for vaccination and the social stigma that went with the refusal of vaccination are what saved us. You may not like that, but this is the material and medical fact.
What you are right to criticize - on the other hand - is the way the ruling class has used the necessary response against Covid to create oppressive measures and politics and gained power.
We need to considerate BOTH sides of the situation through a lens of domination relationships to be able to push a good political education and push people toward self organisation.
Nope.
Engineering a pandemic to artificially create a necessity for vaccines is not what I call ''saving'' us. I'm not saying the COVID19 pandemic was engineered with full intent but the fact scientists conduct high risk research on viruses opens a multitude of possibilities. The social stigma created divisions in society = divide and conquer. The people don't even think of fighting the actual culprits if they're busy fighting each other.
Those maga cultists are the perfect example , everything that has them 'own' the 'shit'libs makes them happy.
Engineering a pandemic to artificially create a necessity for vaccines is not what I call ''saving'' us. I'm not saying the COVID19 pandemic was engineered with full intent but the fact scientists conduct high risk research on viruses opens a multitude of possibilities. The social stigma created divisions in society = divide and conquer. The people don't even think of fighting the actual culprits if they're busy fighting each other.
Those maga cultists are the perfect example , everything that has them 'own' the 'shit'libs makes them happy.
That error was created by the lack of regulation in the hazardous scientific environement. Not because some want to make vaccine a necessity.
You are searching intent in incompetence and systemic problems. This is very risky.
The social stigma pushed people who refused at first to get the vaccine anyway. This is called survival social pressure. It was a social necessity (on an individual bases, not on a systemic one)
If wewant to fight the actual culprit, we need to all do what radical leftist are doing right now :
Fight systems
Fight the ruling class
Fight all systems of oppression.
Push people to understand that with bad material conditions, bad situation such as theis virus leak will happen again and again.
There are no real individual culprit. Our systems are the problem.
You are searching intent in incompetence and systemic problems. This is very risky.
The social stigma pushed people who refused at first to get the vaccine anyway. This is called survival social pressure. It was a social necessity (on an individual bases, not on a systemic one)
If wewant to fight the actual culprit, we need to all do what radical leftist are doing right now :
Fight systems
Fight the ruling class
Fight all systems of oppression.
Push people to understand that with bad material conditions, bad situation such as theis virus leak will happen again and again.
There are no real individual culprit. Our systems are the problem.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-spiritual-advisor-indicted-sex-crimes-texas-megachurch-2044019
Color me surprised, it’s honestly more shocking at this point when an outed pedophile ISN’T a religious leader or close ally of the former Epstein companion who is currently running my country into the ground
Color me surprised, it’s honestly more shocking at this point when an outed pedophile ISN’T a religious leader or close ally of the former Epstein companion who is currently running my country into the ground
Ursula is obsessed with wolves, she wants to exterminate them all since one killed her childhood pony. She even put a bounty on that specific wolf, unbelievable.
Israel maybe.
Israel maybe.
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Were you there?
No. I never got it.
The same pressure that makes sheep jump of a cliff when the leader does it. It doesn't help us survive, rather the opposite. But most people are more scared of social rejection than of dying.
Yet you are here also saying that it's a good thing to shame people for having a different approach to life than you and if they don't agree they have to be pressured into submission. This never works long term. It's a way to produce extremists.
Most people won't listen to your good points after you already tried to psychologically subdue them and belittled their suffering. They'll see you as the enemy and will treat you accordingly.
Learn how humans function for fuck's sake.
Throwing in this line acting like you're the first person in history who ever had this idea.
This self righteous attitude is why you're unwilling to understand the other side. You're giving the impression that you value yourself and your right to speek higher than the issues we're discussing here.
And now at least one sits in the White House. Y'all are sleeping on the rising dragon big time. Belt and road is the future fellas, buckle up🇨🇳
No. I never got it.
The same pressure that makes sheep jump of a cliff when the leader does it. It doesn't help us survive, rather the opposite. But most people are more scared of social rejection than of dying.
Yet you are here also saying that it's a good thing to shame people for having a different approach to life than you and if they don't agree they have to be pressured into submission. This never works long term. It's a way to produce extremists.
Most people won't listen to your good points after you already tried to psychologically subdue them and belittled their suffering. They'll see you as the enemy and will treat you accordingly.
Learn how humans function for fuck's sake.
Throwing in this line acting like you're the first person in history who ever had this idea.
This self righteous attitude is why you're unwilling to understand the other side. You're giving the impression that you value yourself and your right to speek higher than the issues we're discussing here.
And now at least one sits in the White House. Y'all are sleeping on the rising dragon big time. Belt and road is the future fellas, buckle up🇨🇳
"I don't need to. Things can be explained much more simply by understanding how this could happen. China has a corrupt system with huge regulatory issues, so it's not surprising that they fail in areas like virus labs. The lack of care or proper regulation leads to problems, whether human-related or material. And that seems to be the case here.
The world is much simpler than the idea of a 'big bad' acting in the shadows. The 'big bad' acts in broad daylight. The notion that this was some kind of scheme to force us to get vaccinated -either to sell more vaccines or to make us sick and sell even more - is purely idealistic. It stems from a desire to find deep meaning in simple events and from the general stupidity of humankind.
I know that feeling well. It's exactly why I became a conspiracy theorist in the first place. But the world isn't that complicated - or rather, yes, it is, but it's much more material and grounded than people think.
The COVID leak was simply the result of a broken system.
Then you are in danger. You do not understand how dangerous Covid can be.
Covid is not a simple flue, it's a Virus that can attack a LOT of things (motors function, respiratory system, heart, neural damages etc.). I'm NOT joking. You are in danger !
That guy that I talked about got Covid, it seems to be nothing until it transformed into a long Covid and in just a few month, it put him in so much pain that :
- He couldn't Eat
- He couldn't Sleep
- He couldn't Sit
- He couldn't Enjoy anything
- He pushed him in constant tortorous pain
The guy was exhausted and suffering Hell on earth, which pushed him into depression and emotionnal trauma. A situation so hardcore that he KILLED himself to stop suffering.
I'm not joking about Covid. PROTECT YOURSELF ! Don't think that it only happens to your neighboor.
In this case, it did help us.
When it's a question of life and death, it's not a matter of approach anymore. I'm sorry if you felt rejected because you didn't want to take the vaccine but humanity was on the verge of semi-extinction.
Taking the vaccine was necessary. It was not a game and it was not a theory. It was a real situation of danger for all of us.
You not taking Vaccine means that you have more chance to either get the virus or spread the virus. I'm sorry if that does makes you tick because of your fears of doctors but people who refused that were not only putting themselves in danger, but OTHERS TOO.
And it's still the case. Covid might be less dangerous than before, but it can still push you and others toward hell. Don't underestimate the danger.
People who refused that vaccine while keeping their day to day routine with others acted selfishly. They choosed to put people who are "weaker" in danger unecessarily. So yeah, I'm not gonna be very nice with them.
If you have heard this already then why are you not understanding it ?
This is the rationnal and materialistic approach. If you want to fight Fairy tales go for it, butI think you are intelligent enough to understand that the reality is a bit more simpler.
The world is much simpler than the idea of a 'big bad' acting in the shadows. The 'big bad' acts in broad daylight. The notion that this was some kind of scheme to force us to get vaccinated -either to sell more vaccines or to make us sick and sell even more - is purely idealistic. It stems from a desire to find deep meaning in simple events and from the general stupidity of humankind.
I know that feeling well. It's exactly why I became a conspiracy theorist in the first place. But the world isn't that complicated - or rather, yes, it is, but it's much more material and grounded than people think.
The COVID leak was simply the result of a broken system.
Then you are in danger. You do not understand how dangerous Covid can be.
Covid is not a simple flue, it's a Virus that can attack a LOT of things (motors function, respiratory system, heart, neural damages etc.). I'm NOT joking. You are in danger !
That guy that I talked about got Covid, it seems to be nothing until it transformed into a long Covid and in just a few month, it put him in so much pain that :
- He couldn't Eat
- He couldn't Sleep
- He couldn't Sit
- He couldn't Enjoy anything
- He pushed him in constant tortorous pain
The guy was exhausted and suffering Hell on earth, which pushed him into depression and emotionnal trauma. A situation so hardcore that he KILLED himself to stop suffering.
I'm not joking about Covid. PROTECT YOURSELF ! Don't think that it only happens to your neighboor.
In this case, it did help us.
When it's a question of life and death, it's not a matter of approach anymore. I'm sorry if you felt rejected because you didn't want to take the vaccine but humanity was on the verge of semi-extinction.
Taking the vaccine was necessary. It was not a game and it was not a theory. It was a real situation of danger for all of us.
You not taking Vaccine means that you have more chance to either get the virus or spread the virus. I'm sorry if that does makes you tick because of your fears of doctors but people who refused that were not only putting themselves in danger, but OTHERS TOO.
And it's still the case. Covid might be less dangerous than before, but it can still push you and others toward hell. Don't underestimate the danger.
People who refused that vaccine while keeping their day to day routine with others acted selfishly. They choosed to put people who are "weaker" in danger unecessarily. So yeah, I'm not gonna be very nice with them.
If you have heard this already then why are you not understanding it ?
This is the rationnal and materialistic approach. If you want to fight Fairy tales go for it, butI think you are intelligent enough to understand that the reality is a bit more simpler.