"What stop the Justice League from overthrowing the U.S. Goverment? The U.S. Goverment is corrupt! Why they put up with A.R.G.U.S. BS?" - trav when he read DC comics
Also, worth pointing out that Marines come from many different places, backgrounds and have different worldviews. Could they all work together in a civil war? Would be very hard imo
"What stop the Justice League from overthrowing the U.S. Goverment? The U.S. Goverment is corrupt! Why they put up with A.R.G.U.S. BS?" - trav when he read DC comics
Subjetive morality. I have no clue about Hollywood shit, but I guess the Justice League are something that represents "good".
Tell me what is good or moral about supporting genocide and other gross human rights violation?
Unlike the lower ranking Marines the Admirals and probably the VA as well are fully aware of what they are supporting.
Do you want ro argue that the Marines only employ sociapaths? lol
Already said that this is unlikely. We saw Marines with morales.
They did not though. Imu is still on edge about anything related to Nika and VC. Even research of VC means death.
They bankrolled Vegapunk to get them the motherflame.
WG is not complacent at all.
Yes, Imu and the Gorosei could have methodically went from island to island systematically conquering and enslaving their way to a reign of absolute world domination and terror
As if they would leave rebelling nations exists if they could easily conquer them.
Imu still fears Nika. The war is not over and until it is they would not let their mirtal enemies any room.
Subjetive morality. I have no clue about Hollywood shit, but I guess the Justice League are something that represents "good".
Tell me what is good or moral about supporting genocide and other gross human rights violation?
Unlike the lower ranking Marines the Admirals and probably the VA as well are fully aware of what they are supporting.
Do you want ro argue that the Marines only employ sociapaths? lol
Already said that this is unlikely. We saw Marines with morales.
Subjetive morality. I have no clue about Hollywood shit, but I guess the Justice League are something that represents "good".
Tell me what is good or moral about supporting genocide and other gross human rights violation?
Unlike the lower ranking Marines the Admirals and probably the VA as well are fully aware of what they are supporting.
Do you want ro argue that the Marines only employ sociapaths? lol
Already said that this is unlikely. We saw Marines with morales.
I think his point is more so about how it's most likely politics based, I don't necessarily think the Marines or the Yonko really have a good idea of how strong the Gorosei are, just that they're not weak I guess
Why would they be lax for 800 years and let their mortal enemies gain a foothold if they were able to prevent that from happening?
Your point makes little to no sense. GK and Gorosei are fighters. We saw this. They may not be dealing with everyday tasks and opponents, but they definitely spring into action when something that threatens their rule comes up. Revos and pirates do just that and the Gorosei and GK remained inactive for so long? Its so bizarre.
I was joking tbh. Oda simply doesn't prioritize reasoning. A lot in the manga doesn't make sense. Gorosei and GK could blitz any Yonko crew and destroy them within a day.
It's better to just enjoy the manga than take it too seriously. Oda is great at world building and creativity but not much with logic.
The world government can do jack shit if the entire navy somehow decides to rebel
In that case the navy are not their only concern, outlaws like the emperors and the revo army are also gonna topple the WG
Marines are soldiers, their lives are always on the line, they have nothing to lose
The WG is completely at their mercy, is that what keeps you awake at night @trav
no they did not. The yonko have stronger forces that's why the Shichibukai exist in the first place. Now once they were abolished because they couldn't control them anymore they needed replacements for them which are the seraphim.
I’ve always believed for the celestials to be able to do whatever vile thing they wanted and we’re just completely above the law there’d have to be power behind that especially when you consider the marines work for them and aren’t like built from within. In terms of power balance yes I believe the elders individually could defeat an admiral considering they’re all powerful conquerors, they have regen, and have top tier displays of power/fighting ability. I also believe the Holy Knight leader would be above them considering the portrayal of the Figarland family, but I do not believe normal Holy Knights come close to any admiral they’re probably akin to Yc and Yc+ characters. Now whats the point of the admirals/marines? Well it’s like Warcury said they only exist to be the outward face of the World Govt, they enforce the will of the celestials without the actual celestials needing to lift a finger which is very in line with how the CDs are characterized. They are pompous and arrogant people that believe themselves to be gods, they sit on the backs of slaves so their feet don’t touch the ground these are the types of people we are talking about. For them to actually deal with physically deal with threats themselves their actual status and livelihood would have to be in jeopardy to the extent they can’t rely on admirals. They rule the world through propaganda and they get away with it but if they have to get involved it makes perfect sense they would have the strength behind the scenes ready to act at any given notice. If the marines themselves wanted to rebel as a whole they could have wiped the celestials out if there were no Holy Knights and if the elders were fodder, and they’d have good reason to do it. It’s because of the existence of these powers that I fully expect the marines to branch off and become an independent force, I can’t imagine Sakazuki taking much more disrespectful from these people.
The Admirals are a formidable force that should be able to change the power balance of the entire One Piece world.
The people who are able to keep them in check have to be even more powerful. Maybe not individually, but at least as a group.
I dont think you understand how the real world works either. What do you think happens if a policemen goes crook? he will just be apprehended by another policeman. There doesnt need to be a "higher power" group of people that can arrest police. Thats not how it works. If an admiral goes crook then he will be treated as a criminal and apprehended by the navy.
And your acting like marines are forced to be marines. They choose to serve the government, why do they need to be kept "in check"? They can take down the government if they want to, just like the usa military could murder every politician in the county if they wanted to as well. It just doesnt make any sense for them to want to do that.
You mean like the one that defected and the other one that disobeys orders?
Dragon defected as well, but he may not have been an Admiral.
Be honest, did you finish highschool?
The Gorosei? That is not important. Gorosei and GKs are both CDs as well. They all have a vested interest to act like Imu wishes already.
Akainu is different. He is blindly obedient. You are right though. The whole power structure existed for way longer.
Nobody said that they want to. That is not really important nor is it the topic. Most people in the real world military do not want to overthrow the government. There are still systems in place that try to prevent them from even attempting it. Even then it sometimes does not work out and you end up with a military coup.
Unless the WG has a certain way to control the Marins then what exactly is holding them back other than blind believe?
It does not necessarily need to be raw power. And I very much doubt that it is. Admirals may still be the main fighting force of the WG.
Then again, if you have such power under you with no means to control it then you are setting yourself up for failure.
tl;dr
2 options
1. If the Admirals (or the Marines in general) are stronger than the Gorosei and GKs, how does the WG make sure that the Marines do what they are told to, even if it entails the genocide of obviously innocent people?
2. If the Admirals (or the Marines in general) are weaker than than the Gorosei and GKs, how does the WG not utterly crush any pirate or other group (like the revos) that could potentially pose a thread?
Keep in mind that Shamrock apparently injured WB. Stands to reason if the other GKs are also strong.
We also saw how Luffy struggled vs the Gorosei. This may be irrelevant since a single haki blast sent them home so I treat that more like a gimmick for now and not a real measurement of the strength.
bonus
The Gorosei said that Wano can not be entered and they let other islands like Elbaph exist for 800 years. Now all of a sudden the GKs enter the Elbaph kingdom as they please. Why now? Why not all this time before? If they could...
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You guys take offense so easily its near impossible to have a normal discussion.
If you are sure that the Admirals are stronger than the Gorosei and GKs then explain how the WG is making sure that the Marines do not take control, especially the higher ups that are aware on ongoing genocides and breach of human rights. Not everyone in the Marines is as overzealous as Greenbull and Akainu.
Admirals are not called the highest power. The wording is different. There is no confirmation that they are the strongest force inside the WG. Not yet anyways.
Most Marines, and by that logic the world, do not know of the Goroseis powers. The lower ranking Marines on EH had to be told not to look at Saturn. Not because they were not allowed to see him in this form, but because they do not have a clue how his powers work. Which means that they have no or next to no prior knowledge of the Goroseis powers.
I also still believe that the Admirals are the main fighting force of the WG. That is not the point though.
My guy your entire argument is based in a false premise. You assume that a stronger power is needed to keep the Admirals in check, and that the Marines might take over without it, completely ignoring the fact that they all willingly joined for their own reasons.
We've seen time and time again weaker characters turn on the stronger ones in One Piece. How is that possible? Kaido and BM must be the weakest characters ever since they couldn't keep their dudes in line. Didn't CP9 take orders from Spandam? How did Orochi have a partnership with Kaido? These fact alone ends your entire thread. You just have a ton of baseless assumptions you're trying to force.
no they did not. The yonko have stronger forces that's why the Shichibukai exist in the first place. Now once they were abolished because they couldn't control them anymore they needed replacements for them which are the seraphim.
which yonko crew are you talking about specifically because they are not all structure the same way? As for your main question no not a single Marine in that force is strong enough to take out an entire emperor and their forces. If the 1 division commander can keep a single admiral at bay then 16 plus the 43 captains in the alliance would be too much for the marines too handle.
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