Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1145 Spoilers Discussion

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Because Marco's AP is mid
Is it though?

Marco casually kicked away the massive ship of BMP. Had a big clash with BM that sent massive shockwave. Matched the punch from angry Akainu intended to kill Luffy. Sent fatty Queen flying far. Sent a defending Kizaru flying.

I don't understand what's the basis for Marco having low attack power

Marco has one of the highest attack power amongst commander range dudes so far. Only King has higher attack power. Maybe Jozu/Vista have comparable attack power
 
Is it though?

Marco casually kicked away the massive ship of BMP. Had a big clash with BM that sent massive shockwave. Matched the punch from angry Akainu intended to kill Luffy. Sent fatty Queen flying far. Sent a defending Kizaru flying.

I don't understand what's the basis for Marco having low attack power

Marco has one of the highest attack power amongst commander range dudes so far. Only King has higher attack power. Maybe Jozu/Vista have comparable attack power
Maybe "'mid" was the wrong word, his AP is fine for his tier. But it's not enough against top tiers or characters with special durability
 
Is it though?

Marco casually kicked away the massive ship of BMP. Had a big clash with BM that sent massive shockwave. Matched the punch from angry Akainu intended to kill Luffy. Sent fatty Queen flying far. Sent a defending Kizaru flying.

I don't understand what's the basis for Marco having low attack power

Marco has one of the highest attack power amongst commander range dudes so far. Only King has higher attack power. Maybe Jozu/Vista have comparable attack power
It’s not great. There’s force but Marcos strongest attacks we’ve seen couldn’t do lasting damage to king or queen.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
I think that's where the fate/inherited will component comes in.

Many Rogers, but only one fated to be PK.
Yet he himself was too early to be the true PK to save the world from the WK (world king).

Now Luffy will surpass what Roger did and accomplish what he couldn't do by also righting JoyBoy's mistake, oneupping both at the same time.
Yeah true that Roger wasn’t the chosen one and didn’t manage to go beyond the PK role and paving the way for the next gen’s

But his role in the narrative and importance is still greater than all the other Roger - like characters like Salah calls them

Luffy will surpass him
But that doesn’t mean Roger wasn’t the peak of the mid gen
 
Don’t know about y’all but personally like the fact that Oda made Rocks normal size and not a mutant like he does with most antagonists 💀
There’s sumin hype about a man that small having all those monsters under his wing. Could potentially be a dondatta or whatever the frick they are called tbf as that height is rare for antagonists.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Rayleigh & Oden found One Piece too,
Pirate King is Only a Title given to Roger cuz He is a Pirate Captain,
Crocus found the OP too Seagull also

there is only one PK Roger not Ray not Oden

it’s a moot point


Sengoku found One Piece, He wouldn't be called Pirate King, (Rayleigh is called Dark King for example)
Did he find it ?

no

Roger did, Roger influenced the world and made something impossible possible


And no, it's not a Story about Pirate King, the guy wasn't even Main Character in his own Flashback,
It's a Story about "One Piece", a Treasure that is Desired or Feared by both Pirates & Non-Pirates alike,
And finding it can be achieved by a Group, but using it can only be achieved by Luffy, something that Roger failed at,
And who found the OP, who was labeled PK for it. Who paved the way for the new gens ? Who started the golden era of piracy to find the OP ? Spoiler alert : it’s not Sengoku or Oden


Oda even said that He wanted a Story about Vikings, but after He knew that Vikings are a Type of Pirates, He made the Story bigger to include all types of Pirates & Related Communities, and even before One Piece came out, He released Wanted & showed us that He wants to tell many Stories, He said He wanted to draw Samurai, draw Knights, draw Demons, Heroes, Snipers, Deities ... etc
Oda wanted to draw many things and he indeed drew them

But Roger is still Roger

If Oda had kept the same story with Vikings he would have made Roger the Viking King or something like that and Roger would still be the top dog. Just with a different setting. His role would be the same.


Garling is Shanks Father, Garp is Luffy's Grandfather who raised him, Rayleigh is his Mentor who spent more time with him than any SH, Oden literally had like 200 Chapters dedicated to worshipping him, Harald is Viking Roger who as i said are the reason Oda made this Manga ... etc
All important characters indeed

But less important than Roger, less driving for the plot, and with a weaker narrative


Just because One Piece started with Roger & Naruto started with Minato, doesn't mean there aren't others as Strong as them or Superior.
Pirate King is same as Hokage, They are Leaders who inspire their own Communities, but there are like dozen of such Legends,
Roger isn’t Minato, Roger is Hashirama

the one who beat Madara, who created the leaf village, and Naruto wanting to become Hokage

And as Roger there isn’t a single ninja in the old gen or mid gen superior to Hashirama. No one.

Only the old legends and new gens surpassed him like Roger will be surpassed by Joyboy and Imu and Luffy etc.
 
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