Role Madness Overlord Mafia Game Thread

[hime]

How is it OMGUS? You were asked where you go if Ekko flips Town and said "Worst/Ratchet". I am asking you to explain this because Ekko was relatively confident on me being town so it makes no sense for me to be one of your primary directions, especially after I was defending him for most of the game. My contention specifically is that your comment felt throwaway and underbaked, which are hallmarks of fake thought.

yea thats my bad
i saw ur post immediately after i replied to ultra saying that i think u can be scum and it just registered in my mind as ur post coming after mine so it felt omgus-y

i dont really see how ekko thinking ur town does anything to alter my perception when i thought his reads were shit to begin with
ekko was confident ultra was scum for example and that certainly wasnt the case

also for someone defending him for most of the game, there was a pretty huge lack of progression to u switching to voting him later

Might have to yeet Kekko...

I'm finding that I'm disagreeing with his primary focus and pushes with the exception of maybe Worst. So either I'm having a poor game and he's town, or...

Die!
Vote: Kekko

here r ur own posts for context
it reads so fake lmao

if u agreed with the worst direction then y didnt u just vote worst? considering u thought he was town for pretty much the whole game, u should have more qualms abt voting him over worst here

 

[Yoho]

can then move past this and just lynch Aurelian like I kinda wanted to yesterday.

Whats the case on Aure? I think Worst has the strongest case against him but I'm curious why this is the slot you wanna see gone I'm always opened to suggestions

 

[Boquise]

Well given that you were on the receiving end of one, I hardly think you're the most, shall we say, unbiased perspective on this.

Nah I am not unbiased at all, on the other hand I am town sooooo
Unless you think I am scum theres validity in my point

 

[Jaguark101]

Vote Worst

 

[Ratchet]

i dont really see how ekko thinking ur town does anything to alter my perception when i thought his reads were shit to begin with

Why, under a hypothetical Town Ekko flip, would Worst be one of your top suspects? Are you really going to tell me that Ekko's read and push on him would have absolutely nothing to do with that?

also for someone defending him for most of the game, there was a pretty huge lack of progression to u switching to voting him later

I mean, you literally go on to post the progression right there, where I say "I don't like anything he's pushed except maybe Worst", and I also had another post somewhere where I said "I'm not that confident on Worst being scum too". Which I think also answers your quote below too.

if u agreed with the worst direction then y didnt u just vote worst? considering u thought he was town for pretty much the whole game, u should have more qualms abt voting him over worst here

 

[Ultra]

yea thats my bad
i saw ur post immediately after i replied to ultra saying that i think u can be scum and it just registered in my mind as ur post coming after mine so it felt omgus-y

i dont really see how ekko thinking ur town does anything to alter my perception when i thought his reads were shit to begin with
ekko was confident ultra was scum for example and that certainly wasnt the case

also for someone defending him for most of the game, there was a pretty huge lack of progression to u switching to voting him later




here r ur own posts for context
it reads so fake lmao

if u agreed with the worst direction then y didnt u just vote worst? considering u thought he was town for pretty much the whole game, u should have more qualms abt voting him over worst here

Why, under a hypothetical Town Ekko flip, would Worst be one of your top suspects? Are you really going to tell me that Ekko's read and push on him would have absolutely nothing to do with that?
I mean, you literally go on to post the progression right there, where I say "I don't like anything he's pushed except maybe Worst", and I also had another post somewhere where I said "I'm not that confident on Worst being scum too". Which I think also answers your quote below too.

Can I get your PoE's

 

[Ratchet]

Nah I am not unbiased at all, on the other hand I am town sooooo
Unless you think I am scum theres validity in my point

What I'm saying is that you're suggesting that I completely disregard his reads, a suggestion that I'm not taking on board because you obviously have motivation for encouraging people to disregard them, given that they implicate you. That isn't me saying that I think you're scum, I've already gone over my current read of you, but it's saying I'm not willing to accept *everything* you propose, given that I could always be wrong.

 

[Ratchet]

Can I get your PoE's

Probably tomorrow. If I'm including Worst probably something like him, hime, Aurelian, Lethal, Polar maybe, Crying maybe, Charlie maybe. The maybes are slots i can see as town to varying degrees but I'm open to re-evaluating.

 

[Ultra]

Probably tomorrow. If I'm including Worst probably something like him, hime, Aurelian, Lethal, Polar maybe, Crying maybe, Charlie maybe. The maybes are slots i can see as town to varying degrees but I'm open to re-evaluating.

Do you have any thoughts on who could be responsible for framing Ekko?

 

[Ultra]

Nah I am not unbiased at all, on the other hand I am town sooooo
Unless you think I am scum theres validity in my point

You got something against Primeapes Boq?

 

[The Orca]

Probably tomorrow. If I'm including Worst probably something like him, hime, Aurelian, Lethal, Polar maybe, Crying maybe, Charlie maybe. The maybes are slots i can see as town to varying degrees but I'm open to re-evaluating.

 

[hime]

Also you're saying it's awful without due context. Day 1 i had Ekko as town because I thought he and Michelle were possible Masons. I agreed that he was unlikely to send the message and have several posts explaining why there is little motivation for Ekko as scum to send a message like that, but lots of motivation for someone to fake the message to frame him. You're acting like this part of the read just doesn't exist, I'm assuming you have good reason for this? I would love to hear it.

ok lets break this down
the mason thing was confirmed untrue pretty much immediately so idk y thats even being brought up as a point here

if u really believed that ekko wouldnt fake frame himself, then y did u ignore this to vote him later on? did u ignore ur own read or what?

Coming into Day 2 after seeing he had claimed Ains, I said it was far too risky to lynch into that claim on the basis of the evidence, which as far as I could see, was the message (which I already outlined my issues with). Fuji loves characters like Ains, there is no way he was not going to be in the game and from what Ekko had claimed there was not much chance of him being Mafia. I ultimately ended up turning on him because when I stepped back and looked at his pushes, especially the Boq push, I found myself unconvinced on them. You'll also note that I did concede the possibility that Ains was a Serial/Indie before any of this too.

agn, u urself thought worst was scum
even if u thought ekko could be sk/indie, i find it difficult to believe u just randomly decided he was a better lynch when both were fully viable
ekkos pushes werent exactly a new thing, he was pushing boq day 1 too

So here is where I'm at hime. I'm having a hard time buying your reasoning as genuine because it seems to be in bad faith to me, willfully ignorant of crucial context in order to settle on a position that you think makes sense for you to come to. I believe I've shored up your contention so I'd like you to reconcile the issues I have with your reasoning, can then move past this and just lynch Aurelian like I kinda wanted to yesterday.

i dont see how its in bad faith at all tbh
dont think ur words/actions make much sense if ur town

 

[Ratchet]

Do you have any thoughts on who could be responsible for framing Ekko?

Hime, and if not her then Crying. Can't see it being anyone else except Flower but I have her as Town atm.

 

[Ultra]

Hime, and if not her then Crying. Can't see it being anyone else except Flower but I have her as Town atm.

How do you rationalize Hime, or anyone for that matter, framing Ekko using context of a game they haven't played?

 

[hime]

Why, under a hypothetical Town Ekko flip, would Worst be one of your top suspects? Are you really going to tell me that Ekko's read and push on him would have absolutely nothing to do with that?
I mean, you literally go on to post the progression right there, where I say "I don't like anything he's pushed except maybe Worst", and I also had another post somewhere where I said "I'm not that confident on Worst being scum too". Which I think also answers your quote below too.

bc if ekko is town then he was framed for sure
worst looks horrible off of the execute which is one of the things that was used to frame ekko

 

[Ratchet]

ok lets break this down
the mason thing was confirmed untrue pretty much immediately so idk y thats even being brought up as a point here

By who? Of course they're not going to just admit it.

if u really believed that ekko wouldnt fake frame himself, then y did u ignore this to vote him later on? did u ignore ur own read or what?

My objection with his pushes outweighed it. I didn't vote him because I thought he must now be mafia, there is ultimately too much unknown about the message (could have been a Serial message for example) to have it governor every single aspect of my read on a slot.

agn, u urself thought worst was scum
even if u thought ekko could be sk/indie, i find it difficult to believe u just randomly decided he was a better lynch when both were fully viable
ekkos pushes werent exactly a new thing, he was pushing boq day 1 too

I thought Worst *could* be scum, a position i would place little real confidence into. And as for his Boq push, it stands to reason that when I start to read Boq town, I view the push less favourably than I did before.

i dont see how its in bad faith at all tbh
dont think ur words/actions make much sense if ur town

Ya, when you remove all nuance then it tends to make little sense.

 

[Ratchet]

How do you rationalize Hime, or anyone for that matter, framing Ekko using context of a game they haven't played?

I don't really. I can see her doing something like that to try and set it up and I would say it has been pretty effective. I don't really see anyone else even bothering.

 

[hime]

Can I get your PoE's

worst, ratchet, stargate, crying, charlie
maybe aurelian or flower as lesser reads

 

[Ultra]

I don't really. I can see her doing something like that to try and set it up and I would say it has been pretty effective. I don't really see anyone else even bothering.

What I'm trying to get at is, what's the process involved of her doing this from an uninformed position?

To roughly outline it, she's required to:

1) Decide she wants to frame Ekko
2) Peruses other games to obtain something to frame him with
3) Stumbles upon a 3 year old game on NF, specifically

The problem with 2) and 3) is that while there's nothing strictly preventing anyone from doing this, Occam's Razor says it's more likely someone on the team just has prior knowledge, no?

 

[Charlie]

Fuji told me that Ekko being favorable to investigative results also apply to my parity check so Hime is just confirmed town more or less.

Unfortunately I couldn’t parity check back to back nights so no results for today

I mean, or GF

Thank you both!

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