Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 957: Ultimate

[Monkey D Theories]

I really think we need at least one more chapter before we get back to wano kuni

you cannot just tell me that the marines would just do nothing when two yonkos are allying. That would be the equivalent of china invading Japan and every world power twiddling their thumbs.

Akainu has to do something. At the bare minimum, he can try to use SWORD to assassinate the calamities or something so that a marine invasion of totland runs much smoother when the navy has the time.

I'd also like to see how Kong, the gorosei, and Im respond to this

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and I doubt Oda will hype shichibukai bounties without delivering.

 

[Arara]

So this information was false

More info : God Valley (ロックスター) A place in Elbaf

it's not located in Elbaf

It's confirmed false by EtenBoby in Spoiler thread

 

[Haku]

I think we need to agree to disagree TBH I just don't get killing innocent people who don't know anything to suppress information and yet "controlling" not killing a pirate who's a criminal, and may legitimately know the information they're trying to suppress. I don't get how that's "better."

Who said Oharan's didn't knew anything they pretty much shut them down because they were making to much noise and digging out to much and questioning the authority of the WG ...

Something along this lines "Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Under an authoritarian regime, individual freedoms are subordinate to the state, and there is no constitutional accountability." And when you question it you get killed or jailed, and knowledge and search for knowledge is suppress.

You don't see buggy moving around yelling and telling people what happened 900 years ago, he is week, what he did have was a decently strong crew, that instead of dealing with the aftermath of letting all those criminals go loose they prefered to hold Buggy now he is not a shichibukai and they are after his ass again. I get what you are saying, it doesn't make sense but is not meant to make sense... is not a rational or moral or ethical decision. Even outside of this conversation about who is more dangerous, killing a whole population is not "better" doesn't matter what compare to killing a criminal like buggy...

I don't think we are talking about the same thing, so I don't think is about disagreeing or not, that is why I asked you where you wanted to get at...

 

[ShadyOjiro]

This tweet literally make enjoy more the chapter.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1177482429658873863

 

[Kiwipom]

Garp and Roger teaming up to defeat the Rox pirates, no wonder Roger trusted Garp so much as to leave his son with Garp
....except Garp didn’t exactly do a great job

 

[RiShin]

The possibility of Hawkeye being stagnated in power is holding some weight now..

Since we now know that Shanks continued to grow stronger in strenght and compensate for his lost arm. While hawkeye been avoiding prime Shanks when a potential duel could had started and a false belief that Shanks grew weaker. Because the whole thing of Hawkeye actually waiting for a person stronger than a non prime Shanks.

 

[HA001]

The possibility of Hawkeye being stagnated in power is holding some weight now..

Since we now know that Shanks continued to grow stronger in strenght and compensate for his lost arm. While hawkeye been avoiding prime Shanks when a potential duel could had started and a false belief that Shanks grew weaker. Because the whole thing of Hawkeye actually waiting for a person stronger than a non prime Shanks.

Nope. Zoros dream will forever be more important than shanks power level. Odas not going to give him a hollow title.

 

[RiShin]

Nope. Zoros dream will forever be more important than shanks power level. Odas not going to give him a hollow title.

Or being WSS does not mean you are automatically top 5 strongest people.

 

[sanjikun]

The possibility of Hawkeye being stagnated in power is holding some weight now..

Since we now know that Shanks continued to grow stronger in strenght and compensate for his lost arm. While hawkeye been avoiding prime Shanks when a potential duel could had started and a false belief that Shanks grew weaker. Because the whole thing of Hawkeye actually waiting for a person stronger than a non prime Shanks.

Why would Shanks grow, but Mihawk stagnate? They're fighting fodder most of the time anyhow. The Yonkos almost never fight each other. Whitebeard and Shanks hadn't met in 13+ years. Big Mom told Kaido how many DECADES has it been since we met.

Even Law clearly said the Yonkos engaged Whitebeard in TERRITORIAL battles, not direct battles. How strong do you think Top Tiers are getting from fighting Yonko Commanders?

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Or being WSS does not mean you are automatically top 5 strongest people.

By making Luffy PK automatically breaks any limit people wanna put him.

He will be WSS + that.

Plus add that he's a core character heavily focused in getting stronger as Luffy ,it's a given.
Only Luffy eyes closed will be above him anyone else can be debated.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Shanks could still be Emperor-level even before being an Emperor. Just having Ben, Roo, and Yasopp as executives makes his crew not strong enough to be one, even if he can solo Big Mom or Kaido.

 

[RiShin]

Why would Shanks grow, but Mihawk stagnate? They're fighting fodder most of the time anyhow. The Yonkos almost never fight each other. Whitebeard and Shanks hadn't met in 13+ years. Big Mom told Kaido how many DECADES has it been since we met.

Even Law clearly said the Yonkos engaged Whitebeard in TERRITORIAL battles, not direct battles. How strong do you think Top Tiers are getting from fighting Yonko Commanders?

Because in the chapter.. it said shanks grew stronger and became a yonko. Meanwhile hawkeye holding the belief that no one beside a non prime shank was his biggest challenger, didn't nearly train as hard because he was given the title of WSs as far as we know. And we dont even know who was the previous WSS.

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By making Luffy PK automatically breaks any limit people wanna put him.

He will be WSS + that.

Plus add that he's a core character heavily focused in getting stronger as Luffy ,it's a given.
Only Luffy eyes closed will be above him anyone else can be debated.

Zoro isnt the only one making Luffy be PK, it's a team effort from the S.hs.

Yeah it debatable but just using a title is not enough anymore to say X is stronger than Y because there are other fighting styles in OP.

 

[:D.]

Who said Oharan's didn't knew anything they pretty much shut them down because they were making to much noise and digging out to much and questioning the authority of the WG ...

Something along this lines "Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Under an authoritarian regime, individual freedoms are subordinate to the state, and there is no constitutional accountability." And when you question it you get killed or jailed, and knowledge and search for knowledge is suppress.

You don't see buggy moving around yelling and telling people what happened 900 years ago, he is week, what he did have was a decently strong crew, that instead of dealing with the aftermath of letting all those criminals go loose they prefered to hold Buggy now he is not a shichibukai and they are after his ass again. I get what you are saying, it doesn't make sense but is not meant to make sense... is not a rational or moral or ethical decision. Even outside of this conversation about who is more dangerous, killing a whole population is not "better" doesn't matter what compare to killing a criminal like buggy...

I don't think we are talking about the same thing, so I don't think is about disagreeing or not, that is why I asked you where you wanted to get at...

I only meant with my original post that maybe the fact that Roger, and maybe his crew, fought to protect the CD's in the past is some reason, coupled with the fact that they seemed to reach the conclusion when they found out the true history to not do anything about it themselves, except inspire other pirates to go find the One Piece of course, why the WG doesn't seem to be desperate to hunt them down for what they know. Because to me, killing people for maybe knowing something but letting the people who actually know the information go is really strange.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Because in the chapter.. it said shanks grew stronger and became a yonko. Meanwhile hawkeye holding the belief that no one beside a non prime shank was his biggest challenger, didn't nearly train as hard because he was given the title of WSs as far as we know. And we dont even know who was the previous WSS.

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Zoro isnt the only one making Luffy be PK, it's a team effort from the S.hs.

Yeah it debatable but just using a title is not enough anymore to say X is stronger than Y because there are other fighting styles in OP.

We know but must look other crews ( Shanks -Roger)to get an idea .

The right hand takes a lot of the hype ex. Rayleigh and Beckham.

That's why you can put Zoro in the same field as others even in the introduction chapter of the meeting of both Oda used a title far different from the rest " The pirate King and the master swordman".

That's why I said he's no only WSS ..is WSS + that( making Luffy PK which adds a lot of extra weight).

Various fighting styles? ... that's all OP ,yet they are surpassed.

 

[CbShadow]

The possibility of Hawkeye being stagnated in power is holding some weight now..

Since we now know that Shanks continued to grow stronger in strenght and compensate for his lost arm. While hawkeye been avoiding prime Shanks when a potential duel could had started and a false belief that Shanks grew weaker. Because the whole thing of Hawkeye actually waiting for a person stronger than a non prime Shanks.

Or it possible that he fought Yonko Shanks and was still disappointed in his performance and that's the reason why he said he called Shanks a has-been.

Since then he's been spending time training on his island when he's bored and after training Zoro and sees potential he's been further preparing himself for when Zoro is at the level to challenge him.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Because in the chapter.. it said shanks grew stronger and became a yonko. Meanwhile hawkeye holding the belief that no one beside a non prime shank was his biggest challenger, didn't nearly train as hard because he was given the title of WSs as far as we know. And we dont even know who was the previous WSS.

Mihawk said he'd wait at the top for Zoro. Oda had Mihawk say that to show that he'd be the strongest swordsman when Zoro is ready to fight him for real.

 

[Arara]

http://instagr.am/p/B28KJltgvOY/

 

[MarineHQ]

http://instagr.am/p/B28KJltgvOY/

Gosh, please stay dead

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

I'm so confused Akainu's character

 

[Red Admiral]

let's all take a moment to respect how good is the name of this chapter : ultimate