Character Discussion EoS Zoro will NOT surpass or be comparable to Ryuma

[ImmaIvanoM]

Wano cemented that the parallel of Ryuma in the current day is Luffy, not Zoro. Zoro has his visual similarities to Ryuma but as far as story significance and Role, Ryuma was the hero of Ancient Wano and LUFFY is the hero of Modern Wano. Not Zoro. It’s Luffy.

so this old ass headcanon in the community that somehow Zoro is supposed to be the second coming of Ryuma should be dead and buried by now. Especially since we now know the full extent of Ryuma’s primary feat.

The big deal with Ryuma wasn’t his black blade or his undefeated streak, it was that he SINGLEHANDEDLY KEPT THE WORLD GOVERNMENT OUT OF WANO.

This was stated as like a random trivia at the start of Wano when we didn’t know exactly how strong the WG is but now we do. Ryuma kept the Gorosei, the holy knights, all the cipher polls and whatever other armies the 19 kingdoms had OUT OF WANO SINGLEHANDEDLY.

This statement is now a most ridiculous feat. It’s so ridiculous that the only feat similar to it was the one done by JOYBOY, the guy Ryuma was compared to in Wano. Joyboy’s haki has been shown to be able to kick all 5 Gorosei out of an Island. And so the comparison to Ryuma is fitting.

Ryuma has a Joyboy level feat and that makes sense because RYUMA IS A LUFFY PARALLEL, not a Zoro one.

Zoro will never have Joyboy level feats so Zoro will never surpass or be comparable to Ryuma.

 

[soupongo]

It was stated that Ryuma kept celestial dragons outside of Wano by some random Wano peasant who worships him. We know from the Gorosei themselves that they consider Wano hard to get into because of the borders, nothing more.

Kaido himself claims this.

And when you have the main villain of Wano hyping up Joyboy and not Ryuma, as well as Oden hyping up only Joyboy............

It´s pretty clear that Oda decided to make Wano an arc about pirates instead of an arc about Samurai.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It was stated that Ryuma kept celestial dragons outside of Wano

Um havent we literally been reading about teleportion for the last 100 chapters?

Even if the grunt armies couldn’t enter Wano easily, we know from Saturn and the holy knights that they can teleport into whatever country at will

we saw Perospero and Marco and Greenbull enter Wano manually very easily too

hehehe, hilarious that you think that Waterfalls stopping fodder matters

 

[HeroesNZ]

> Characters in the manga:
"Wow Zoro fights just like Ryuuma"
"Wow Ryuuma was also a one-eyed samurai"

Narrative:
> Zoro is a Shimotsuki, descendant of Ryuuma
> Zoro parallels Ryuuma beheading a dragon
> Zoro FIGHTS Ryuuma's zombie and is stated to be an identical type of fighter
> Ryuuma's zombie HIMSELF gives Zoro his sword
> Zoro will create a black blade like Ryuuma
> Zoro and Ryuuma genuinely look IDENTICAL, revealed in a chapter named 'spitting image'

Oda:
"In order to be popular, I prepared someone like Ryuuma (Zoro) as the 2nd main character."

You: Zoro is not a Ryuuma parallel

 

[nik87]

Boi is broken...
EOS Zoro is the strongest character in the show, the pinnacle of existence.
Imu already confirmed this.
The likes of Ryuma and Joyboy are mid diff material for EOS Zoro in a 1vs2.

 

[soupongo]

Um have we literally been reading about teleportion for the last 100 chapters?

Even if the grunt armies couldn’t enter Wano easily, we know from Saturn and the holy knights that they can teleport into whatever country at will

we saw Perospero and Marco and Greenbull enter Wano manually very easily too

hehehe, hilarious that you think that Waterfalls stopping fodder matters

Do we know how the teleportation works? It doesnt seem like they can teleport literally *anywhere* or else they would have gone to laughtale already.

Plus, the Gorosei arent the ones who are expected to take over territory anymore anyway, they did their service for the world government already, and now focus on politics. *Fodder* are indeed the people who take over countries

 

[Blax Blah]

Either way this calls for some peak Ryuma art

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Do we know how the teleportation works? It doesnt seem like they can teleport literally *anywhere* or else they would have gone to laughtale already.

Plus, the Gorosei arent the ones who are expected to take over territory anymore anyway, they did their service for the world government already, and now focus on politics. *Fodder* are indeed the people who take over countries

The Gorosei do what Imu wants, despite whatever “roles” they have… Wano is where the poneglyphs come from, if Imu wants Wano destroyed for aiding Joyboy, the Gorosei will do as told… also we are literally reading about the holy knights, who are not fodder, taking over a country for Imu

We don’t know the nature of laughtale so you can’t randomly compare it to Wano… Laugh tale isn’t just known and sitting there in the middle of the ocean like Wano is… We know Saturn can teleport from the middle of the ocean to an island, we know the holy knights can teleport from Mariejois to Elbaf… there’s no thing more to say about that

also, they can just fly… Remember that? Very many flying abilities

and of course, the waterfalls aren’t really a problem… Big mom’s ship and the strawhats very easily climbed the waterfalls… Even at the end of the arc, the main reason the marines and wg didn’t enter Wano wasn’t the waterfalls, it was Zunisha… remember… Zunisha showed up at the waterfalls and they immediately dared not try and go up… So… yeah

 

[mly90]

Boi is broken...
EOS Zoro is the strongest character in the show, the pinnacle of existence.
Imu already confirmed this.
The likes of Ryuma and Joyboy are mid diff material for EOS Zoro in a 1vs2.

Honestly I understand why some fans would feel hard done by that disgusting shoehorning by Loda. Still there is no way he is Luffy parallel he is copy of Zoro his descendant and a swordsman with kokuto he has nothing in common with Luffy

 

[shastar-sei]

I don't know how you can say that when this page exists. The chapter (1023) was titled "Spitting Image" after it. Even post-Wano, we got a color spread of Zoro and Ryuma side by side.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

here is no way he is Luffy parallel

You read the end of Wano? Where Oda literally has Luffy compared to Ryuma… with no mention of Zoro?

I don't know how you can say that when this page exists. The chapter (1023) was titled "Spitting Image" after it. Even post-Wano, we got a color spread of Zoro and Ryuma side by side.

they look alike, they are related, but they aren’t parallels of one another

It’s very common for characters who are related to not be parallels of one another… For example Yasopp is the not the Usopp parallel of the Red hair pirates… Yasopp is one of Shanks’ top 3 men… he’s not a scared little bitch boi like Usopp… they have a similar fighting style and are related but that’s the end of their similarities… Same way Ryuma and Zoro are related and they have similar fighting styles, but have no parallels beyond such superficial ones

 

[soupongo]

The Gorosei do what Imu wants, despite whatever “roles” they have… Wano is where the poneglyphs come from, if Imu wants Wano destroyed for aiding Joyboy, the Gorosei will do as told… also we are literally reading about the holy knights, who are not fodder, taking over a country for Imu

We don’t know the nature of laughtale so you can’t randomly compare it to Wano… Laugh tale isn’t just known and sitting there in the middle of the ocean like Wano is… We know Saturn can teleport from the middle of the ocean to an island, we know the holy knights can teleport from Mariejois to Elbaf… there’s no thing more to say about that

also, they can just fly… Remember that? Very many flying abilities

and of course, the waterfalls aren’t really a problem… Big mom’s ship and the strawhats very easily climbed the waterfalls… Even at the end of the arc, the main reason the marines and wg didn’t enter Wano wasn’t the waterfalls, it was Zunisha… remember… Zunisha showed up at the waterfalls and they immediately dared not try and go up… So… yeah

If Imu wanted Wano destroyed, he could do so with the ancient weapon, like what happened to Lulusia, Imu hasn´t mentioned Wano though, so I dont see how thats relevant

The knights seem to have some type of circle they use to teleport

How many in the government even have flying powers? And anyway, what they said that Wano was *almost* impenetrable, not *literally*. If they needed to get inside Wano asap, they could, but they dont.

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You read the end of Wano? Where Oda literally has Luffy compared to Ryuma… with no mention of Zoro?

they look alike, they are related, but they aren’t parallels of one another

It’s very common for characters who are related to not be parallels of one another… For example Yasopp is the not the Usopp parallel of the Red hair pirates… Yasopp is one of Shanks’ top 3 men… he’s not a scared little bitch boi like Usopp… they have a similar fighting style and are related but that’s the end of their similarities… Same way Ryuma and Zoro are related and they have similar fighting styles, but have no parallels beyond such superficial ones

Ryuma was compared to Luffy because random Wano people dont know who Joyboy is, they see Ryuma as their national hero. It´s a comparison of their achievements, and nothing more. Zoro is a literal shimotsuke with one eye who used to wield Ryumas black blade and will probably make his own at some point lol. Ryuma´s character is nothing more then being Zoros ancestor.

Yasopp is probably closer to Usopp then anyone else in the SH, despite being stronger

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

If Imu wanted Wano destroyed, he could do so with the ancient weapon

No he can’t… We are literally told they didn’t have the power source to use that thing until Vegapunk recreated it… And Vegapunk was only able to recreate it because of Emeth having been saved by Saturn 200 years ago when Imu told Saturn to destroy it

Saturn can teleport into Wano based on everything we know about his shit and Gunko summoning that circle right in front of herself doesn’t mean she can’t also summon it A VERY LONG DISTANCE AWAY… As in we literally saw this… she was no where near Loki when she and Shamrock just teleported into the middle of Elbaf right in front of Loki

also Mars’ flying bird transformation is a power from Imu… Remember all the Gorosei powers are just borrowed from Imu… so that Flying bird transformation can carry all the Gorosei into Wano if they want

point is, a fucking waterfall isn’t the reason Ryuma is a legend, if someone of any relevant power level wanted to enter Wano, they would… So Ryuma’s hype is warranted until said otherwise

 

[nik87]

Oda literally has Luffy compared to Ryuma

He hasn't done that.
He only compared their achievement - saving Wano from a dragon.

 

[shastar-sei]

You read the end of Wano? Where Oda literally has Luffy compared to Ryuma… with no mention of Zoro?

they look alike, they are related, but they aren’t parallels of one another

It’s very common for characters who are related to not be parallels of one another… For example Yasopp is the not the Usopp parallel of the Red hair pirates… Yasopp is one of Shanks’ top 3 men… he’s not a scared little bitch boi like Usopp… they have a similar fighting style and are related but that’s the end of their similarities… Same way Ryuma and Zoro are related and they have similar fighting styles, but have no parallels beyond such superficial ones

They have similar actions too. Both Ryuma and Zoro are the only known characters to slay winged dragons, which Oda differentiates from non-winged dragons through different kanji usage. When Zoro forges Black Blades, he will be 1 of 3 known to ever do it. Two of them being Ryuma and Zoro.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This is next level delusions.. It's like denying Gaban is Sanji's parallel in the Roger Pirates despite Luffy admitting that Gaban is what old Sanji will be like.

 

[soupongo]

No he can’t… We are literally told they didn’t have the power source to use that thing until Vegapunk recreated it… And Vegapunk was only able to recreate it because of Emeth having been saved by Saturn 200 years ago when Imu told Saturn to destroy it

Saturn can teleport into Wano based on everything we know about his shit and Gunko summoning that circle right in front of herself doesn’t mean she can also summon it A VERY LONG DISTANCE AWAY… As in we literally saw this… she was no where near Loki when she and Shanrock just teleported into the middle of Elbaf right in front of Loki

also Mars’ flying bird transformation is a power from Imu… Remember all the Gorosei powers are just borrowed from Imu… so that Flying bird transformation can carry all the Gorosei into Wano if they want

point is, a fucking waterfall isn’t the reason Ryuma is a legend, if someone of any relevant power level wanted to enter Wano, they would… So Ryuma’s hype is warranted until said otherwise

And did Vegapunk not recreate it? The WG had a nuke, and Imu used it on a random country, implying Imu doesnt have a grudge against any specific country,and if anything it´s implied his interest in a specific country is Arabasta, wrt Lilly, who he seems to blame for the poneglyphs(even though they were actually built in Wano)

I don´t doubt the Gorosei could get into Wano, but let´s be honest, Mars is not going to fly all the way to Wano, fight everyone there, then return if theres ever a rebellion. The Gorosei themselves they see the borders are the deterrent to get into Wano, with maybe the Samurai as a secondary deterrent.

Ryuma´s legend doesnt seem to exist outside of Wano itself though, the government guys don´t hype him up themselves, and the beast pirates dont seem to care that Moria stole his corpse. If Ryuma gets any hype in the future, it will simply be to hype up EOS Zoro

 

[MonochromeYoru]

no

Zoro will reach ryuma level and make a black blade

what you're wrong about is, Ryuma was never on soyboy level

just because wano's retarded clowns mentioned them in the same sentence does not make them comparable

soyboy was the pirate jesus that no one ever matched up to

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

They have similar actions too. Both Ryuma and Zoro are the only known characters to slay winged dragons, which Oda differentiates from non-winged dragons through different kanji usage.

Okay… And Luffy is the savior of Wano, the way Ryuma was the savior of wano

I think this is SIGNIFICANTLY more of a point of comparison, especially since Oda had characters in the manga itself make the comparison

btw, I don’t know if you have been in the One piece online community for a long time, but this is one of the primary reasons for the “ZKK agenda”… the fact that Ryuma was the hero of Wano have a lot of people the idea that Zoro would also have to be the hero of Wano for the parallel to make sense… Hence people though Zoro would Kill Kaido (ZKK-Zoro kills Kaido)… That’s how important this “Hero of Wano” parallel is

This is next level delusions.. It's like denying Gaban is Sanji's parallel in the Roger Pirates despite Luffy admitting that Gaban is what old Sanji will be like.

Ryuma isn’t a Zoro parallel, he’s a Luffy parallel… Ryuma was the hero of Wano, not the underling of the hero of Wano…

implying Imu doesnt have a grudge against any specific country

well it’s been however many hundreds of years since Ryuma, and the reason Imu attacked lulucia was given

mars’ ability can FLY ALL THE GOROSEI AND HOLY KNIGHTS INTO WANO… Remember that Mars is bigger than the giants… he’s like the size of Loki… or you know, they can just teleport into Wano

Ryuma is unknown outside of Wano because nothing about Wano is known outside…

again, we have no reason to think this is story is a lie and so your attempts to somehow say ITS IMPOSSIBLE that people can get passed the waterfall isn’t enough to discredit it

Zoro will reach ryuma level and make a black blade

Will Zoro also be able to Solo the WG like Ryuma did? When they were listing Ryuma’s feats, the black blade was one of many… I think Ryuma singlehandedly stopping the world government from invading the country scales above making a black blade, right?

 

[zzShinichi]

Ryuma is one of the extremely rare instances where Oda outright compares his physical appearance and other similiarities to Zoro