Character Discussion EoS Zoro will NOT surpass or be comparable to Ryuma

[ImmaIvanoM]

Ryuma "soloing" the WG is a insane headcanon

It’s stated in the manga but its headcanon?

did you think it was headcanon 6 years ago when it was first mentioned?

Or did it suddenly became headcanon when it was revealed that the Gorosei can fight and the holy knights exist

Now headcanon is things that are stated in the manga that you just dont like

Zoro won't achieve his dream of becoming the greatest swordsman in the history of the world?

Zorinho will surpass every swordsman ever

That’s not his dream… His dream to beat Mihawk and Mihawk is NOT the greatest swordsman ever, he’s the greatest swordsman today

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

That’s not his dream… His dream to beat Mihawk and Mihawk is NOT the greatest swordsman ever, he’s the greatest swordsman today

Mihawk is not his dream. His dream is becoming the WSS. If someone else killed Mihawk for the title then he'd target the next title holder. Mihawk is simply the current title holder and hence Zoro wants to beat him. Also his dream is literally to be the greatest swordsman ever

 

[soupongo]

We’ve literally seen Joyboy can singlehandedly clap All five Gorosei away… And Oda had Ryuma be compared to Joyboy when talking about Luffy as some kind of legendary hero

I mean since Both Ryuma and Joyboy are compared to Luffy and are Luffy parallels, why wouldnt they have similar feats?

Again, until proven otherwise I will believe what’s stated in the manga, that Ryuma singlehandedly kept the entire wg out of Wano…

His Haki can disable their teleportation or whatever, this does not mean he can beat the entire government in a fight. What you believe would imply Ryuma> Joyboy, since Joyboy died and lost to the government

They wouldnt have similar feats because Joyboy as a comparison to Luffy has been made much more clear:
Nika fruit(yuck)
Strawhat(Yuck)
vs a random Wano peasent saying Luffy and Ryuma both saved Wano lmao

 

[kekaro]

It’s stated in the manga but its headcanon?

did you think it was headcanon 6 years ago when it was first mentioned?

Or did it suddenly became headcanon when it was revealed that the Gorosei can fight and the holy knights exist

Now headcanon is things that are stated in the manga that you just dont like


That’s not his dream… His dream to beat Mihawk and Mihawk is NOT the greatest swordsman ever, he’s the greatest swordsman today

Yes and Zeff is also more impressive than Mihawk because Don Krieg proclaimed so.

You know the rumor staments you gasing up was made by an animal with a life span than less than 50 years, right? Its does not even a human brain lmao
This forum is a joke man

Mihawk is not his dream. His dream is becoming the WSS. If someone else killed Mihawk for the title then he'd target the next title holder. Mihawk is simply the current title holder and hence Zoro wants to beat him. Also his dream is literally to be the greatest swordsman ever

Translation issue
zoro indeed says the strongest swordman, not ever

 

[soupongo]

You just need to read the story on cope mode to come to this conclusion beside agenda
Its doubly funny because we know you can reach wano now even as below YC level pirate with a ship and we also know imu can vessel teleport, so that would be enough
So the argument here is ryuma soloed the entireity of wg and then his replacement some rock walls the WG couldnt go through but they really wanted
ey lmao

as poorly as Oda has written the government and it´s priorities, I dont think some fans understand how ¨conquering¨ a country works.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Yes and Zeff is also more impressive than Mihawk because Don Krieg proclaimed so.

You know the rumor staments you gasing up was made by an animal with a life span than less than 50 years, right? Its does not even a human brain lmao
This forum is a joke man

Translation issue
zoro indeed says the strongest swordman, not ever

Checked the raws and you're right in a literal sense but again, it's shonen so it's heavily implied he means the strongest ever.

✅ Japanese Text (Raw):

• 約束しろよ!!!
  (Yakusoku shiro yo!!!)
• いつか必ずおれかお前が世界一の剣豪になるんだ!!
  (Itsuka kanarazu ore ka omae ga sekai ichi no kenkō ni narun da!!)

✅ English Translation:

• "Promise me!!!"
• "One day, either you or I will become the greatest swordsman in the world!!"

✅ Meaning of "世界一の剣豪" ("sekai ichi no kenkō"):
The phrase "世界一の剣豪" directly translates to "the world's greatest swordsman" or "number one swordsman in the world."
It does not explicitly specify "of all time" (like 永遠 or 史上最強), but in the context of shonen manga like One Piece, especially given Zoro’s ambition, it implies the strongest ever known, not just of the current era. However, linguistically, it's literally just "in the world"—which generally refers to the current living world, unless context (like comparing with historical figures) implies otherwise.

 

[L57]

no

Zoro will reach ryuma level and make a black blade

what you're wrong about is, Ryuma was never on soyboy level

just because wano's retarded clowns mentioned them in the same sentence does not make them comparable

soyboy was the pirate jesus that no one ever matched up to

True ,ryuma was above
He never lost like that clown soyboy
Cry

 

[Blax Blah]

Yes and Zeff is also more impressive than Mihawk because Don Krieg proclaimed so.

You know the rumor staments you gasing up was made by an animal with a life span than less than 50 years, right? Its does not even a human brain lmao
This forum is a joke man

Translation issue
zoro indeed says the strongest swordman, not ever

Zoro will be stronger than Ryuma anyway, whether Mihawk is stronger or Ryuma is stronger, but I think Zoro as a character himself would hate the idea of him being the strongest swordsman ever, he would want to pass it on and have someone stronger come

 

[soupongo]

True ,ryuma was above
He never lost like that clown soyboy
Cry

ZKK might have been a more rational era for Zboys then Ryuma> Joyboy

 

[L57]

ZKK might have been a more rational era for Zboys then Ryuma> Joyboy

Soyboy lost to imu
While godryuma put imu back in his cage

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Soyboy lost to imu
While godryuma put imu back in his cage

Doggy Ryubitch was farming kills vs fodder marines Imu woulda negged his ass Ryubitch entire career relies on propaganda of wano

it’s same as a north korean saying kim jong il invented hamburger

 

[Vanlax]

Idk about this.

Ryuma saved one country.

Zoro is Luffy's second.

They are going to save the world, this should have more weight.

 

[L57]

Doggy Ryubitch was farming kills vs fodder marines Imu woulda negged his ass Ryubitch entire career relies on propaganda of wano

it’s same as a north korean saying kim jong il invented hamburger

Here comes my loyal dog
Ryuma slayed the dragon stronger than kaido boosted by imu
Best the admirals and wg forces
Cope

 

[zzShinichi]

TBH Kaido also kept the WG from entering Wano, although with their current powers, the WG could've swept through Wano with relative ease. So Ryuma could very well be comparable to Kaido as far as we know.
EOS Zoro will surpass BOTH Ryuma and Kaido anyways so it's just a matter of how large the gap is gonna be

 

[kekaro]

TBH Kaido also kept the WG from entering Wano, although with their current powers, the WG could've swept through Wano with relative ease. So Ryuma could very well be comparable to Kaido as far as we know.
EOS will surpass BOTH Ryuma and Kaido anyways so it's just a matter of how large the gap is gonna be

This is why you getting banned from the temple buddy

 

[moreha9685]

Oda: "Here's the story of a boy and his crew of unique characters who'll each accomplish an impossible dream of their own, making them an unmatched group that legends will be sung about for eons to come!"

Fans: "Nah, some SHs will never surpass the older generations."

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Mihawk is not his dream. His dream is becoming the WSS. If someone else killed Mihawk for the title then he'd target the next title holder. Mihawk is simply the current title holder and hence Zoro wants to beat him. Also his dream is literally to be the greatest swordsman ever

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Oda: "Here's the story of a boy and his crew of unique characters who'll each accomplish an impossible dream of their own, making them an unmatched group that legends will be sung about for eons to come!"

Fans: "Nah, some SHs will never surpass the older generations."

Zoro’s dream is not to surpass the old generation… It’s to be the current strongest swordsman in the world

all the strawhats will achieve their dreams… AND ZORO’S DREAM IS TO BE WSS… which is exactly what he’ll do

TBH Kaido also kept the WG from entering Wano,

According to Kaido’s top 5, this man has never even seen Shamrock… he’s never fought the Gorosei for sure

Ryuma saved one country.

The big deal is WHO HE SAVED THE COUNTRY FROM… The WG being repelled by ONE MAN is a feat on Joyboy tier

also it’s Luffy that’s going to save the world, not Zoro… And remember Ryuma did this SINGLEHANDEDLY, by himself, no crew, no subordinates

Yes and Zeff is also more impressive than Mihawk because Don Krieg proclaimed so.

we’ll see Mihawk is shown panel stomping Krieg… the WG did in fact NOT INVADE Wano and that was credited to Ryuma stomping their asses…

Rumors get disproven all the time… if Oda CHOOSES not to disprove something then there’s a reason for it

Ryuma has since been compared to Joyboy and Joyboy has literally been shown to be able to Singlehandedly clap the WG like the statement about Ryuma entails

 

[сука]

Zoro > Mihawk >= Ryuma

And Zoro won't lose like JobBoy so he can't be his parallel

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

entire government in a fight

Ryuma isn’t stated to have beaten the entire Government in a fight… he’s stated to have stopped them invading Wano singlehandedly

which we saw with Joyboy’s haki blast is a thing very strong characters can do

And it’s a thing Zoro will NOT be able to do because there’s no fucking way Zoro is going to get a Joyboy level feat for as long Oda is a Luffy wanker

Zoro > Mihawk >= Ryuma

And Zoro won't lose like JobBoy so he can't be his parallel

zoro isn’t the hero, Luffy is… Ryuma wasn’t the subordinate of the hero, He was the hero himself

btw this is sneakily why Oda is fine having Mihawk as a subordinate of Buggy, because Zoro’s parallels are the surbodinate not the leader or hero

 

[сука]

zoro isn’t the hero, Luffy is… Ryuma wasn’t the subordinate of the hero, He was the hero himself

btw this is sneakily why Oda is fine having Mihawk as a subordinate of Buggy, because Zoro’s parallels are the surbodinate not the leader or hero

Cool story. Lucci is also the hero which is why he has better feats than subordinate Zoro. And trust me bro I like Zoro...(but).